Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems she already shared it with others so why is she fighting for data privacy if she's sharing this data without consent?

It appears the only data privacy she cares about is her own child’s. She has repeatedly come on here to say she don’t owe our kids anything.

You are sick. I've replied to many of these posts and I'm not Callie and I don't know her or anyone associated with septa. Keep trying with the lies.

Feel free to post with your real name so there’s no confusion.

Please show us where Callie came her to say she "don't owe our kids anything". Cite it.

[Anonymous]

Yep, Everyone Sucks Here except the poor kids and parents who were the victims of Callie and FCPS's pissing match.

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Callie has tried over and over to get some changes made that would protect our children. FCPS is continually careless and nothing has happened after each mistake. This is a FERPA violation for which FCPS will be punished ….again. They’re already on the radar of Virginia Department of Education and the feds for doing this exact same thing. We wait and watch. Lawyer up again if you want to. Unless you can specifically identify your child in what was posted, I’d save my money. (Doesn’t hurt to call and ask though…and I’m doing that.)

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has confirmed to me that most of my neighbors are flaming idiots and don’t understand how the Freedom of Information Acts works. Perhaps your kids are all suffering from anxiety because you’re their mom and completely disconnected from reality. Also, FCPS is corrupt and incompetent. As a former teacher, I can tell you that they’re all laughing at you. And this woman Callie exposed their weakness and you’re too stupid to figure it out.

Why do you feel need to start insulting others? Zero people are defending FCPS. We know their wrong doings. We’re talking about Callie. She could have been exposing the county, but decided to expose our children in the process. Shes just another angry white women and I hope she gets hers soon. Frankly, you just sound bitter and I’m glad you no longer work with the county.

That’s OK sweetheart. I’m making a ton of money off the fact that the school system closed its doors for over a year. Most of you don’t even realize that your kids are behind academically because you’re too afraid to see the truth. I see you. You’re just a basic, white, upper middle-class mom wearing Lululemon and drinking Starbucks coffee. And I get paid a lot of money per hour to fix what FCPS broke.

You describe yourself as someone who exploits parents instead of caring about children or doing the moral, ethical thing. You are what is wrong with the advocacy system. You are why professionals don’t want to work for school systems. You feed fear, lies, and disinformation to desperate families to make a buck or get publicity. You are a lousy, despicable person as are the other “advocates” I know. Absolutely horrific.

I've been a vocal and consistent critic on this thread of Oettinger's publicly reported actions in press article/her blog with others' private data without their consent throughout most of this thread, but I do not at all extend that to attacking other advocates/advocacy as a process. There are real needs/rights/disagreements that advocates are needed for. I don't want my criticism of Oettinger's own reprehensible actions to be lumped in with this kind of criticism of advocates--and from my reading that seems to be the perspective of most of Oettinger's critics on this thread. Many of us are the parents whose kids have received special ed services or have been flagged for mental health concerns who recognize that sometimes external perspectives/support are needed to best help kids. I'm also the PP who said we may need to examine whether we need to find some ways to limit requests so they don't create the opportunity for abuses or have ways to punish/deter/create responsibilities after they occur like saying FERPA responsibilities extend to anyone making a FOIA request if they don't already --but I 100% support parents' rights to data and to advocate for their children's rights including through the use of professional advocates.

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Anonymous wrote:I still would prefer to sue FCPS. Y’all might hate Callie but she is h to e only one shining a light on how terrible special Ed is and how gatehouse is a mess with data and lots of other things- like the whole due process thing where parents never won because the judges were on the FCPS payroll.

Nah, I'd sue Callie. FCPS was dumb in releasing the info and someone needs to get canned. But we wouldn't be here without Callie posting it on the Internet.

And you wouldn't know about the 100s of times a year FCPS accidentally releases your kids information either if Callie wouldn't be making such a big deal about this. FCPS does this ALL the time and never notifies parents. They either pretend it didn't happen, ask for the data back, or (in 99% of the cases) don't know it happened because no one tells them.

By making a big deal about thus, Callie is trying to get FCPS to FINALLY secure our kids data. You all should be thanking her, not suing her.

Don't believe me? Make a FOIA request yourself. FCPS routinely gives the wrong people's data in response. See what you get back.

How about you stop making FOIA requests to a system overburdened with requests from nutjobs like you, so they don't have to frantically work to release massive amounts of data, resulting in this mess? My kid's info wouldn't be out there if it weren't for your profoundly unethical decision to give it to the media instead of returning it to FCPS. The fact that you can't be prosecuted for it doesn't make you any less of a slime.

How about you get a life and a job? Then again, judging from your grammar, requesting donations on your website to mess with FCPS might be your most lucrative opportunity.

Not pp.

People have valid reasons to request information via foia and you are a lousy human being if you discourage parents from examining their children's information. This person you hate was right to make this a big deal of FCPS's failure to safeguard student information. It is a huge deal and that FCPS did it again makes it even worse. Here and there one of you nuts will say "both FCPS and Callie are wrong" but you aren't going after FCPS. Anyone who comments with reason is accused of being Callie. I'm accusing the worst of you of being FCPS lackeys who are upset about the trouble they are in for causing this problem. You know FCPS staff are going to try to smear her.

The whole breach aside, let's just examine the parent examining info issue: From the article I read, I think it said she spent 2-3 full days on site gathering data for this particular request on her children's data--with at least 2 staff people involved. Let's lowball this amount of time for this 1 request then to be 20 hours, so say for 2 people it's 40 work hours. It could be more, but I don't work for FCPS so I don't know. There are 180,000 students in FCPS. If every parent examine all their data that thoroughly and required that much attention-- my calculation is my lowball number would involve 7.2 million staff hours. And that's just for this particular request not for any prior ones made or any preparation needed.

I get that there are important individual parents' rights, but I think there also have to be more reasonable limits on demands for data if we want a functional system. It's just too easy for an individual to undermine the collective good in my opinion. If current law doesn't allow us to put in what we collectively think are reasonable limits, I think the law needs to be changed.

Exactly. Callie and parents/advocates like her waste staff resources and time in so many ways that takes away from quality education for all. Requests for records, requests for multiple IEP meetings per year with lots of professionals and PSL, requests for multiple/repeat assessments, and so on. And the school has to go along or the parent/advocate will file a complaint, sue, or defamate school staff publicly. These parents/advocates create a huge waste of all tax payer dollars for a very small group of students. They take time, money, resources from other students and say they are entitled to things that are way beyond reasonable. Nothing will change until more parents stand up against the unreasonable, exploitive behaviors.

You work for the school system without a doubt. How dare you blame the parents for fighting to get a fair education for their children with disabilities. It is clear you think students with disabilities are less than and should be kept hidden away. In my county, I was pushed into a dozen iep meetings because they knew I would be filing complaints, had to have an advocate and they thought they were exhausting my finances so I couldn't use my very good, professional advocate to help. What a hate filled, discriminatory post you ignorant wretch.

I’m not sure the post you are commenting on is from a school system employee. I’m an employee of a different school district (with my own kids in FCPS) and if anything I feel victimized as an employee by my administration’s incompetence on a daily basis. They routinely make it difficult for me to do my job in the way I know is best. Parents do need to be really educated and on top of things to make sure their kids get what they need. But I can tell you that I’ve been doing this job for 20 years and there are families who take things to extremes. I definitely believe that there comes a point when some parents simply lose control and become obsessed. I wish the schools had some way to support them during these mental health crises instead of continuing to be their adversaries. I’ve been in several situations in which the school system has agreed to every one of the parents’ demands (usually to have the county pay for private school or a consult with a nationally known expert) only to have parents decline it in order to keep a fight going. I am not talking about the vast majority of parents or the many fantastic advocates who work in our area. But these few “hot cases” suck up incredible amounts of time, money and a teacher’s will to live. Other students absolutely suffer. Devastatingly. Because time, money and energy are not infinite. And teachers’ willingness to be treated like dogs is also not infinite. So much needs to change in education, but these unhinged parents are not making it happen. I promise you. Schools only increasingly view parents as the enemy because of it. And no one is helped by that.

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FCPS is the Steward of the data, and FCPS is responsible for protecting the confidentiality, integrity, and availability for the data.
For those that say FCPS doesn't have the money to do this, I will glad point out areas of the budget that can be adjusted to enable the data protection.

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Anonymous wrote:I still would prefer to sue FCPS. Y’all might hate Callie but she is h to e only one shining a light on how terrible special Ed is and how gatehouse is a mess with data and lots of other things- like the whole due process thing where parents never won because the judges were on the FCPS payroll.

Nah, I'd sue Callie. FCPS was dumb in releasing the info and someone needs to get canned. But we wouldn't be here without Callie posting it on the Internet.

And you wouldn't know about the 100s of times a year FCPS accidentally releases your kids information either if Callie wouldn't be making such a big deal about this. FCPS does this ALL the time and never notifies parents. They either pretend it didn't happen, ask for the data back, or (in 99% of the cases) don't know it happened because no one tells them.

By making a big deal about thus, Callie is trying to get FCPS to FINALLY secure our kids data. You all should be thanking her, not suing her.

Don't believe me? Make a FOIA request yourself. FCPS routinely gives the wrong people's data in response. See what you get back.

How about you stop making FOIA requests to a system overburdened with requests from nutjobs like you, so they don't have to frantically work to release massive amounts of data, resulting in this mess? My kid's info wouldn't be out there if it weren't for your profoundly unethical decision to give it to the media instead of returning it to FCPS. The fact that you can't be prosecuted for it doesn't make you any less of a slime.

How about you get a life and a job? Then again, judging from your grammar, requesting donations on your website to mess with FCPS might be your most lucrative opportunity.

Not pp.

People have valid reasons to request information via foia and you are a lousy human being if you discourage parents from examining their children's information. This person you hate was right to make this a big deal of FCPS's failure to safeguard student information. It is a huge deal and that FCPS did it again makes it even worse. Here and there one of you nuts will say "both FCPS and Callie are wrong" but you aren't going after FCPS. Anyone who comments with reason is accused of being Callie. I'm accusing the worst of you of being FCPS lackeys who are upset about the trouble they are in for causing this problem. You know FCPS staff are going to try to smear her.

The whole breach aside, let's just examine the parent examining info issue: From the article I read, I think it said she spent 2-3 full days on site gathering data for this particular request on her children's data--with at least 2 staff people involved. Let's lowball this amount of time for this 1 request then to be 20 hours, so say for 2 people it's 40 work hours. It could be more, but I don't work for FCPS so I don't know. There are 180,000 students in FCPS. If every parent examine all their data that thoroughly and required that much attention-- my calculation is my lowball number would involve 7.2 million staff hours. And that's just for this particular request not for any prior ones made or any preparation needed.

I get that there are important individual parents' rights, but I think there also have to be more reasonable limits on demands for data if we want a functional system. It's just too easy for an individual to undermine the collective good in my opinion. If current law doesn't allow us to put in what we collectively think are reasonable limits, I think the law needs to be changed.

Exactly. Callie and parents/advocates like her waste staff resources and time in so many ways that takes away from quality education for all. Requests for records, requests for multiple IEP meetings per year with lots of professionals and PSL, requests for multiple/repeat assessments, and so on. And the school has to go along or the parent/advocate will file a complaint, sue, or defamate school staff publicly. These parents/advocates create a huge waste of all tax payer dollars for a very small group of students. They take time, money, resources from other students and say they are entitled to things that are way beyond reasonable. Nothing will change until more parents stand up against the unreasonable, exploitive behaviors.

I'm the PP, I am a critic of Oettinger's actions with private data and do NOT agree with your follow-up statement at all. I do NOT agree that parents/advocates who complain, request assessments, data etc. are the problem. Some students' needs are such that they are going to need more services than others. Sometimes they have to fight to get them. I see special education as akin to insurance--most people pay in and don't need much beyond the basics, some need more, and a small few will be much more expensive because they had a much bigger need. But we all benefit from all kids being supported to thrive and by having this safety net in case we do ever need it. I do think we always need to review the laws/policies see if they make sense, fair, are sustainable, adequately funded etc. but it's very easy to tread into not protecting the rights of a minority group. So I think it's essential that the people who are the ones feeling the need to get advocates be very vocal in that policy conversation and comfortable with its outcome.

The focus in this thread should be on what Oettinger did with others' private data without their consent--not any kind of anti-advocacy crap.
I had been wondering why someone interpreted me to be unwell/inflammatory/part of a smear campaign or whatever. I am wondering if now it's because earlier in the thread I wondered whether the leak was made more likely by what seemed to me to be excessive data requests, and
that reading her blog I did feel a lot of compassion for anyone who had to deal with her. But that was because she seemed so antagonistic about her own kids' data/needs and yet so very blind to something as basic that it is wrong to intentionally keep, go through and share other children's private data without consent. That strikes me as a dangerous combination (and why I am especially concerned she has all this data) NOT because she's a strong advocate or that I am against parents/advocates!

I am just really mad at Oettinger's going through and sharing kids' private data without consent and think we need a way to punish/deter that so no one else does this again, regardless of how/where they get the other's private data. I hope this will be resolved somehow. But I've spent too much time on this thread, and I'm signing off.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS sucks for being so casual with so much extremely personal information AND for not being open with parents about what documents were given away AND for not having a point person and sending parents to get a canned script from a contractor,

Callie sucks for wasting so much of the school system's time AND for not giving the info back AND for sending it all to a journalist AND for publishing docs on her website where the identity of kids can be deduced.

Amen! I’m also loving the fact that when you google Callie’s name this is the 3rd thing on page 1. Let’s keep it at the topic so everyone knows her role in this situation. Of all the wonderful advocates I’ve worked with as a sped teacher, I hope they choose them over Callie.

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I am just really mad at Oettinger going through and sharing kids' private data without consent and think we need a way to punish/deter that so no one else does this again

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Anonymous wrote:Callie has tried over and over to get some changes made that would protect our children. FCPS is continually careless and nothing has happened after each mistake. This is a FERPA violation for which FCPS will be punished ….again. They’re already on the radar of Virginia Department of Education and the feds for doing this exact same thing. We wait and watch. Lawyer up again if you want to. Unless you can specifically identify your child in what was posted, I’d save my money. (Doesn’t hurt to call and ask though…and I’m doing that.)

Thanks, Callie

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the Steward of the data, and FCPS is responsible for protecting the confidentiality, integrity, and availability for the data.
For those that say FCPS doesn't have the money to do this, I will glad point out areas of the budget that can be adjusted to enable the data protection.

Aaaaaand more Callie

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Callie has tried over and over to get some changes made that would protect our children. FCPS is continually careless and nothing has happened after each mistake. This is a FERPA violation for which FCPS will be punished ….again. They’re already on the radar of Virginia Department of Education and the feds for doing this exact same thing. We wait and watch. Lawyer up again if you want to. Unless you can specifically identify your child in what was posted, I’d save my money. (Doesn’t hurt to call and ask though…and I’m doing that.)

Thanks, Callie

I’m not Callie.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is the Steward of the data, and FCPS is responsible for protecting the confidentiality, integrity, and availability for the data.
For those that say FCPS doesn't have the money to do this, I will glad point out areas of the budget that can be adjusted to enable the data protection.

Aaaaaand more Callie

I'm definitely not Callie. What part of the data steward and responsibility do you disagree with?

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Anonymous wrote:Callie has tried over and over to get some changes made that would protect our children. FCPS is continually careless and nothing has happened after each mistake. This is a FERPA violation for which FCPS will be punished ….again. They’re already on the radar of Virginia Department of Education and the feds for doing this exact same thing. We wait and watch. Lawyer up again if you want to. Unless you can specifically identify your child in what was posted, I’d save my money. (Doesn’t hurt to call and ask though…and I’m doing that.)

Thanks, Callie

I’m not Callie.

I guess some people find it hard to believe there are others that disagree with a 3Billion tax payer funded enterprise accidentally sharing info on 30,000 students. A few, maybe, but 30,000. Come on. But then again, look at the people you elected to FCPS school board.

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Maybe it is FCPS board members, or their interns, on here posting the negative against Callie?