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| I'm very curious about what should happen from a medical standpoint if you go to a doctor or hospital and they confirm that the baby you are carrying is dead? Should there be medical intervention at that point? It seems like there should be, but I'm not a medical professional. |
I'm the poster that has lost countless, countless wanted pregnancies. They put you on the schedule for an abortion aka D&C or D&E. I've had only D&Cs but one pregnancy was 16 weeks (died at 13) and I almost died bleeding out from that procedure. D&Es are for between 15 and 20 weeks. Most likely this woman would have been induced to give birth to the dead fetus in the hospital. But notice that I say you need to be put on the schedule. So between finding out the baby is dead and actually getting on the schedule it can be many weeks. In that time you might miscarry naturally. Very high probably of bleeding out and or dying if you are above 20 weeks. Same risks as giving birth full term. |
What seems like could have happened here based on some references in the articles is that her membranes ruptured prematurely and the pregnancy was not viable, but the fetus still had a heartbeat. In a normal society the woman would be offered a therepeutic abortion because walking around with ruptured membranes is emotionally hard and also poses the risk of infection. But that cannot happen in Ohio so the woman is left to wait on her own and hope she doesn’t get sepsis. |
Can I ask if you’re white? And if you were told by your medical team to bring the fetus to the hospital? As a Black woman, I’m struggling to imagine how I might be treated if I get pulled over by cops or hospital security while obviously distraught, traumatized, in physical and emotional pain… and carrying a bloody package with what you — possibly inaccurately for some — describe as “a tiny little baby”. “Really, Officer….” |
I'm not the PP but also a white woman. In no way would I bring the baby to the hospital. But I've lost many pregnancies, so I already know they wouldn't do anything with it. They'd toss it. Zero point in traumatizing myself like that. |
Look, I’m on the side of the woman being unjustly prosecuted but we do know that a 22 week old fetus does not look like just a glob of cells. If that’s what you’re debating? We don’t know what she could see through blood in the toilet, but we know what a 22 week old fetus looks like. |
It's entirely possible the baby was actually dead too. They would put you on the schedule and send you home. If you've never experienced the callousness of losing a pregnancy, even here, it's an awful experience. |
A generic, healthy 22 week fetus growing normally? Sure. No one here knows what this particular fetus looked like after it was expelled from her uterus. |
Thanks for responding to my question. What some people are proposing sounds deeply traumatizing — on top of the loss and trauma of losing the pregnancy. |
But we do NOT know what this particular non-viable fetus looks like. We also don’t know what this particular woman’s experiences were like. That none of us actually knows really isn’t a debate. |
She “went about her day” likely because she is single and lives paycheck to paycheck and needed to go to work for fear of getting fired. She likely didn’t have the luxury to call her boss to say she needs a day off. I really feel for this women. The poor are always in a lose-lose situation. |
But, also, since when is the criminal justice system here to police peoples feelings? What if she did go about her day. That's a felony? |
Exactly. That’s not a quote from her — that’s a quote from the white male prosecutor who wants this poor woman in jail, and is willing to frame things in a way that will help to get her there. And even the prosecutor didn’t say “like normal” — he strongly implied it, so that people who wanted to would fill in the blanks. Anyone who’s coped with severe PMS, much less a miscarriage, realizes that whatever she did was almost certainly a struggle — physically and emotionally. So to the person who said “Stop making up your own context here.” I say: Take your own advice. And further, don’t assume that the white male PROSECUTOR is accurately describing this Black woman’s day, or even has the capability of accurately describing her state of mind. |
+1 I have never personally seen a miscarriage or a stillbirth, but I have read enough to know that depending on when fetal death occurred and whether or not infection had set in and how badly, it may have been passed in pieces, it may have been grey, it may have broken down even further. I’m just really, really struggling with the people who assume she birthed a bouncing 7 pound baby and then wickedly shoved it into the toilet. I do not understand how so many people who think they’re smart assume that their one experience with stillbirth is the full spectrum and that her one experience is the most accurate representation of how this whole event occurs. She went to the hospital. Twice. Forced birthers have ruined obstetrical care. This woman could have died and the activist prosecutor wants to punish her. |
I actually shuddered reading your post knowing exactly the breathless tone this story would be covered in, and the utter glee people would take at this hypothetical Black woman, minutes past delivering a non viable fetus, getting body slammed. |