Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:it's more fun, kids get bored in dark cold places with crappy sports teams.

Most people don't sit around studying 24/7 they like to be out and about. Imagine being at an outdoor party while those up north are inside sipping tea on a study break

Students who are primarily focused on partying, having a good time, and ogling "hot coeds" may indeed be flocking to Southern universities. I don't think that's a big loss for colder-weather northern universities, especially those receiving record numbers of applicants (e.g., University of Michigan, University of Chicago, Purdue, etc.).

Agree!

You agree that the bolded is true? You know this how?

Easy to confirm with quick Google searches - go ahead and look ("record number applications" and "(name of school").

Yes, when you type UGA or Florida or Vanderblit, Rice, Auburn you learn that these schools have had record high applications in the past few years.

DS is at one of them and feels like he’s surrounded by kids from Fairfax County and New Jersey.

NJ white gentiles go to penn state or down south if they don’t want to spend money on a catholic private like villanova

Nj Jews go to penn

Nj Asians, if poor go to rutgers ; if middle class or above, go to northeast t20

Nj blacks go to rutgers

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Anonymous wrote:Weather was a big factor in my son's school choice. He focused on Duke, Davidson, Rice, W&M and Emory because he didn't want to be in constant snow.

Y’all live in the south already in thr DMV. Why is this a surprise?

The DMV isn’t the South FFS. Any Southern vibe it had was lost no later than 1970.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

"Out of state" applicants not the same as "northern kids" or "kids from liberal elite enclaves."

Why do you care so much? It’s like a personal insult to you.

People on this thread and the author of OP's article are making assertions about "northern kids" and "kids in liberal enclaves" who are "flocking to southern schools" and those assertions are not supported by the data they are using to make their claims.

Not taking it personally in the least - the author and people making those claims should be called out on their obvious personal biases and/or hidden agendas.

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Anonymous wrote:Weather was a big factor in my son's school choice. He focused on Duke, Davidson, Rice, W&M and Emory because he didn't want to be in constant snow.

Y’all live in the south already in thr DMV. Why is this a surprise?

The DMV isn’t the South FFS. Any Southern vibe it had was lost no later than 1970.

The South, region, southeastern United States, generally though not exclusively considered to be south of the Mason and Dixon Line, the Ohio River, and the 36°30′ parallel. As defined by the U.S. federal government, it includes Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

https://www.britannica.com/place/the-South-region

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Anonymous wrote:I live in the South (from here but grew up mostly in DC) and am not allowing my kids to apply to the big state schools in the SEC. I find them to be overly focused on the worst version of greek life, very white, basic, and to involve a huge gameday culture that includes lots of parents visiting all the time to drink etc. That is the last thing I plan to do with my weekends. It's a whole thing that you don't really understand unless you are from here. Also, sorry, but you don't just move to NYC, DC, London etc with a degree from Alabama or Miss State. Those schools still are largely for people who stay close by and are part of a Southern culture that I am not really into.

I can see how it is exotic for people, but TBH, kids from other places are not going to have the same experience that all these kids who grew up aspiring to be part of greek life there have. I live and breathe amongst this group and many of them are currently spending tons on good private schools. I find it baffling that they would do that and then send their kids off to these places where, of course you can get a wonderful education, but the predominant culture is basic, white, drunk, and greek.

You are insufferable.

LOL, Roll Tide, I guess. Do you know about this culture and have a greater understanding of it or are you just excited about the acceptance rates?

My kid is Northeast school and their is no interest in Southern schools. Have lived in the South but my response was to your tone and tenor. A lot of I in a thread about kids flocking to Southern schools...add in the baseless accusations and you just look pathetic.

This is an anonymous board so there are no points for tone and tenor. I am from the south and have lived here most of my life. Same for my DH and we agree on these schools. There is nothing "baseless" about my opinions. I know a lot about this world.

OK, so two rando's on an anonymous board, you and your spouse. "I find it baffling that they would do that and then send their kids off to these places where, of course you can get a wonderful education, but the predominant culture is basic, white, drunk, and greek." Those are your words give us the data oh sage from the south...

If you all are interested in the SEC schools, great! I personally would not spend $120K on high school only to have my daughter go to a school where her main focus was dancing around in short shorts during rush with a bunch of tanning bed types. I, of course, know many smart people who went to SEC schools. I did not, however, encounter many of these in the elite law firm world of NYC or DC. Maybe that has changed. And I am talking about the predominant culture, not international students, etc. who I honestly think my child would not even find among the frat culture. I also know a lot of fratty types who are now Southern country clubbers (yes, successful but not really interesting). Not for me, but if you like it, great!

Calling BS on this person knowing anything about the “elite law firm world.”

The managing partner at O’Melveny (of the DC office and then the entire firm) received his undergraduate degree from Tennessee, and he wasn’t the only Tennessee grad in the DC office. I could find many other examples to show that person indeed has no clue about Big Law.

LOL the managing partner is a woman who did not go to UT, but ok, you can probably find some people at most law firms who went to these schools and then better law schools.

If you all who live in DC and are not from the south know so much about Ole Miss, Alabama, the other big SEC schools, and the South in general, go forth and enjoy. It actually helps their rankings to have all of these DC area/Northeastern kids apply, so it helps them, and you will probably see more and more people in elite jobs with those degrees. Socially, I assure you that I understand the culture a lot better than you do, and will not be paying for my kids to participate in it. What you don't know is probably helping you love them. To be clear, I am not talking about Vandy, Rice, Duke, Emory and the like.

Why do you think you’re talking to people who aren’t from the South? And why would you be so sure you know more about the South than they they do? If you’re going to be so picky about where your kids go to school, I hope your kids are smarter than you are.

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Anonymous wrote:it's more fun, kids get bored in dark cold places with crappy sports teams.

Most people don't sit around studying 24/7 they like to be out and about. Imagine being at an outdoor party while those up north are inside sipping tea on a study break

Students who are primarily focused on partying, having a good time, and ogling "hot coeds" may indeed be flocking to Southern universities. I don't think that's a big loss for colder-weather northern universities, especially those receiving record numbers of applicants (e.g., University of Michigan, University of Chicago, Purdue, etc.).

Agree!

You agree that the bolded is true? You know this how?

https://www.michigandaily.com/news/university-highlights-gains-in-applicants-for-class-of-2026-admissions/#:~:text=For%20the%20class%
20of%202026%2C%20the%20University%20of,to%20the%20over%2080%2C000%20applications%20received%20last%20year.

For the class of 2026, the University of Michigan received a record breaking number of applications from prospective first year students, according to the University Record. In total, the University saw over 84,000 applications, which was a 6% increase to the over 80,000 applications received last year.

That’s actually not that good, comparatively. Last year, Auburn received 68% more applications than the year before, and 150% more applications than they did two years prior.

The key is 84,000 applications.

Exactly. That's twice the number of applications that Auburn received. And it's much easier to experience a big percentage increase in applications when starting from a lower baseline than another university. Plus, it's not just the University of Michigan. Purdue University, for example, received a record number of 68,000+ applications for its fall 2022 entering class.

It’s easier to get a 6% increase than 63%? That’s ridiculous, no matter the baseline.

Not to mention that applications were down in 2020-2021 due to covid, but subsequently rebounded, so there were 21% more college applications filed in 2021-2022 vs the last precovid year of 2019-2020. So a 6% increase YOY is actually a lesser share of the total applications filed, if not a reduction compared to 2019-2020. Auburn, in comparison, was up 150% from 2019-2020.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/education/college-crisis/college-apps-surge-even-as-enrollment-declines/

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Anonymous wrote:UGA has a specific scholarship for in-state kids that makes it very hard to get into for OOS. This has been the case for years. It doesn't mean that it is a great school...

But, in the past, UGA hasn’t limited OOS admissions, or even given preference for in state students. What you’re saying is that the Georgia scholarship program encourages lots of smart, highly qualified Georgia students to apply to UGA, so the competition is fierce. Sounds like the state scholarship program has been a success.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

"Out of state" applicants not the same as "northern kids" or "kids from liberal elite enclaves."

Why do you care so much? It’s like a personal insult to you.

People on this thread and the author of OP's article are making assertions about "northern kids" and "kids in liberal enclaves" who are "flocking to southern schools" and those assertions are not supported by the data they are using to make their claims.

Not taking it personally in the least - the author and people making those claims should be called out on their obvious personal biases and/or hidden agendas.

What “personal biases and hidden agendas” do you refer to?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Since your Google is broken (not an exhaustive list, but fwiw, this has a link for every school I looked at). For reference, applications were up 22% nationwide in 2021-2022, and pp above was touting Michigan’s 6% increase.

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-applications-increased-by-40-during-covid-19-acceptance-rate-will-decrease/article_3a2448f8-6a90-11eb-a9ac-afa3d279dbb4.html

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

https://internationalcollegecounselors.com/uf-and-fsu-applications-are-up-why-what-does-this-mean-for-students/

https://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2021/12/131308-record-number-of-applicants.php#:~:text=The%20demand%20for%20an%20Auburn,155%25%20increase%20from%20fall%202020

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/clemson-university/admission/

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Since your Google is broken (not an exhaustive list, but fwiw, this has a link for every school I looked at). For reference, applications were up 22% nationwide in 2021-2022, and pp above was touting Michigan’s 6% increase.

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-applications-increased-by-40-during-covid-19-acceptance-rate-will-decrease/article_3a2448f8-6a90-11eb-a9ac-afa3d279dbb4.html

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

https://internationalcollegecounselors.com/uf-and-fsu-applications-are-up-why-what-does-this-mean-for-students/

https://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2021/12/131308-record-number-of-applicants.php#:~:text=The%20demand%20for%20an%20Auburn,155%25%20increase%20from%20fall%202020

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/clemson-university/admission/

Also note that the UGA article states that the application pool was 65% in state in 2013 and was 40% in state in 2022 (which is why they announced that they will give in state students an advantage going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:it's more fun, kids get bored in dark cold places with crappy sports teams.

Most people don't sit around studying 24/7 they like to be out and about. Imagine being at an outdoor party while those up north are inside sipping tea on a study break

Students who are primarily focused on partying, having a good time, and ogling "hot coeds" may indeed be flocking to Southern universities. I don't think that's a big loss for colder-weather northern universities, especially those receiving record numbers of applicants (e.g., University of Michigan, University of Chicago, Purdue, etc.).

Agree!

You agree that the bolded is true? You know this how?

Easy to confirm with quick Google searches - go ahead and look ("record number applications" and "(name of school").

Yes, when you type UGA or Florida or Vanderblit, Rice, Auburn you learn that these schools have had record high applications in the past few years.

DS is at one of them and feels like he’s surrounded by kids from Fairfax County and New Jersey.

NJ white gentiles go to penn state or down south if they don’t want to spend money on a catholic private like villanova

Nj Jews go to penn

Nj Asians, if poor go to rutgers ; if middle class or above, go to northeast t20

Nj blacks go to rutgers

Maybe 20 years ago. Now, MC/UMC Asians from New Jersey are dominant in the four T20 schools in the South (depending on how one categorizes Missouri. NE elites lump it in with Arkansa and Tennessee because that’s all the same or something)

I’m sure that the data and discovery coming out of the Harvard lawsuit have a whole lot to do with this evolution, if we are to assume Yale and Princeton acted similarly when shaping their student bodies.

Those four schools and Emory, which is also heavily Asian, are known for their top medical schools and biosciences.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Since your Google is broken (not an exhaustive list, but fwiw, this has a link for every school I looked at). For reference, applications were up 22% nationwide in 2021-2022, and pp above was touting Michigan’s 6% increase.

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-applications-increased-by-40-during-covid-19-acceptance-rate-will-decrease/article_3a2448f8-6a90-11eb-a9ac-afa3d279dbb4.html

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

https://internationalcollegecounselors.com/uf-and-fsu-applications-are-up-why-what-does-this-mean-for-students/

https://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2021/12/131308-record-number-of-applicants.php#:~:text=The%20demand%20for%20an%20Auburn,155%25%20increase%20from%20fall%202020

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/clemson-university/admission/

No one "touted" Michigan's 6% increase or claimed that it's "easier" to get a 6% increase versus a much higher percentage increase. But you knew that. The PP simply stated that Michigan experienced a 6% increase from a higher baseline than Auburn - i.e., kids aren't increasingly turning their backs on Michigan to go South - and received twice the number of applications than Auburn. People who have a strong, argument don't need to purposely misconstrue/mischaracterize what someone else has written.

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Missouri state laws absolutely put it in the same class as Arkansas.

I just recently found a school in the St Louis area that would be a good fit for my daughter. I told her about it with the caveat that it is close to IL in case of lady parts emergency.

I hate that these are the things we need to consider when choosing schools.

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I live in AL and I would not send my kid to University of Alabama. It’s a party school. Do you want a culture of football and sororities?

I will consider Auburn, bur I hear it’s a party school as well.

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To escape global cooling