Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

[Anonymous]

Outside of maybe Boulder, cold weather sucks and is boring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

"Out of state" applicants not the same as "northern kids" or "kids from liberal elite enclaves."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Numerous posters have given specific examples in this thread. Go back and review.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

"Out of state" applicants not the same as "northern kids" or "kids from liberal elite enclaves."

Why do you care so much? It’s like a personal insult to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Sigh .. NOT "debunking" this. Just pointing out that such increases do NOT credibly demonstrate that Northern kids are rejecting schools in the North to instead "flock" to the South.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Numerous posters have given specific examples in this thread. Go back and review.

An increase in applications "in an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere" - whatever that means -- has not been proven, in this thread or in the article.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

"Out of state" applicants not the same as "northern kids" or "kids from liberal elite enclaves."

Why do you care so much? It’s like a personal insult to you.

People on this thread and the author of OP's article are making assertions about "northern kids" and "kids in liberal enclaves" who are "flocking to southern schools" and those assertions are not supported by the data they are using to make their claims.

Not taking it personally in the least - the author and people making those claims should be called out on their obvious personal biases and/or hidden agendas.

[Anonymous]

Weather was a big factor in my son's school choice. He focused on Duke, Davidson, Rice, W&M and Emory because he didn't want to be in constant snow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weather was a big factor in my son's school choice. He focused on Duke, Davidson, Rice, W&M and Emory because he didn't want to be in constant snow.

Y’all live in the south already in thr DMV. Why is this a surprise?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Much easier to get in. It's not like anyone got into Harvard and then decided to go to Alabama for the weather. They are usually average students who don't have a chance in NE.

Actually, I wouldn't doubt that they have. If someone got into both, they're likely getting a free ride at Alabama, versus potentially 80,000 a year for Harvard, or whatever it is now. Cost matters to some people more than "prestige."

This. Plenty of kids choosing southern state schools over Ivies, especially if headed to grad school or med school and don't want the debt at the undergrad level.

Credible evidence for this? Highly doubtful, unless your definition "plenty" is skewed.

I think it is pretty common and we met a few on a visit to Alabama last year (Brown, Cornell). The kids never looked back and they all gave they impression they felt they were on to something with their decisions. These schools make sense for a lot of reasons and the opportunities and things they were doing were pretty amazing.

Does it happen? Sure. Is it "pretty common"? Of course not. But that doesn't mean that there aren't great opportunities for stellar students down there.

No one picks a southern school over an Ivy --- even for Vandy or Duke --------- unless there is a cost issue. If you applied to any Ivy you are going unless you are are looking at Chi, Stanford, MIT, ect.

Tons of kids would pick Vandy or Duke over schools like Cornell, Dartmouth, or University of Pennsylvania. Especially kids that live in the south.

+1 duke in particular is in a class of its own in the south. It actually beats many ivies in the cross-admit battle (ie when students get into ivies or duke, majority pick duke). Vanderbilt is getting better but they have a ways to go, particularly academically. It doesn’t have any top-of-class departments other than maybe Peabody unlike Duke which has multiple top departments

Which departments are you talking about, specifically?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

"Out of state" applicants not the same as "northern kids" or "kids from liberal elite enclaves."

Why do you care so much? It’s like a personal insult to you.

People on this thread and the author of OP's article are making assertions about "northern kids" and "kids in liberal enclaves" who are "flocking to southern schools" and those assertions are not supported by the data they are using to make their claims.

Not taking it personally in the least - the author and people making those claims should be called out on their obvious personal biases and/or hidden agendas.

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Anonymous wrote:Much easier to get in. It's not like anyone got into Harvard and then decided to go to Alabama for the weather. They are usually average students who don't have a chance in NE.

Actually, I wouldn't doubt that they have. If someone got into both, they're likely getting a free ride at Alabama, versus potentially 80,000 a year for Harvard, or whatever it is now. Cost matters to some people more than "prestige."

This. Plenty of kids choosing southern state schools over Ivies, especially if headed to grad school or med school and don't want the debt at the undergrad level.

Credible evidence for this? Highly doubtful, unless your definition "plenty" is skewed.

I think it is pretty common and we met a few on a visit to Alabama last year (Brown, Cornell). The kids never looked back and they all gave they impression they felt they were on to something with their decisions. These schools make sense for a lot of reasons and the opportunities and things they were doing were pretty amazing.

Does it happen? Sure. Is it "pretty common"? Of course not. But that doesn't mean that there aren't great opportunities for stellar students down there.

No one picks a southern school over an Ivy --- even for Vandy or Duke --------- unless there is a cost issue. If you applied to any Ivy you are going unless you are are looking at Chi, Stanford, MIT, ect.

Tons of kids would pick Vandy or Duke over schools like Cornell, Dartmouth, or University of Pennsylvania. Especially kids that live in the south.

+1 duke in particular is in a class of its own in the south. It actually beats many ivies in the cross-admit battle (ie when students get into ivies or duke, majority pick duke). Vanderbilt is getting better but they have a ways to go, particularly academically. It doesn’t have any top-of-class departments other than maybe Peabody unlike Duke which has multiple top departments

Which departments are you talking about, specifically?

I’m interested in seeing all of the top departments at Duke. After all, a top ten school should have multiple top ten departments right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weather was a big factor in my son's school choice. He focused on Duke, Davidson, Rice, W&M and Emory because he didn't want to be in constant snow.

The article makes a point that some southern universities were never considered "Southern southern" and have always attracted non-Southern kids because of their reputations as high caliber places of learning. Most of the colleges you have listed are likely on that list; two were explicitly mentioned.

So your anecdote has as much relevance to the claim that "northern kids are flocking to southern universities" as does mine: My kid loathes hot weather and therefore will focus on colleges in the Midwest, Northern California and the Pacific Northwest.