The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s discuss the fresco paintings during the opening credits.

I have been trying to pay close attention to them since Episode 1.

Any art experts on this thread who can chime in? 🙏

I know that the painting of the saint with the eyes is Saint Lucy, aka Santa LUCIA.

OP again.

Here is some background on why I’m confident that the frescoes play a key part in figuring out this season…

“ . Lucy’s suitor, had other plans, and revealed Lucy as a Christian. The authorities went to arrest her and planned on forcing her into prostitution. Because she did not surrender she was further tortured by having her eyes torn out. As the authorities tried burning her by fire, the flames would just diminish, and was killed by being stabbed in the throat with a dagger in the year 304. The legend concludes that God restored her eyes. ”

http://familyplusfoodequalslove-dottie.blogspot.com/2011/12/feast-of-saint-lucy-arancini-di.html

Below is Wikipedia’s overview…
The oldest record of her story comes from the fifth-century Acts of the Martyrs.[4] The single fact upon which various accounts agree is that a disappointed suitor accused Lucy of being a Christian, and she was executed in Syracuse, Sicily, in the year 304 during the Diocletianic Persecution.[5] Her veneration spread to Rome, and by the sixth century to the whole Church. The oldest archaeological evidence comes from the Greek inscriptions from the Catacombs of St. John in Syracuse. Jacobus de Voragine's Legenda Aurea was the most widely read version of the Lucy legend in the Middle Ages. In medieval accounts, Saint Lucy's eyes were gouged out prior to her execution. The most ancient archaeological traces attributable to the cult of Saint Lucia have been brought back to Sicily, particularly in Syracuse and are preserved in the archaeological museums of the city.

Tanya says something about seppuku in madam butterfly which is apparently ritual disembowelment. So yeah, somebody is getting stabbed

Isn't Tanya's fresco something like a lady at a window with a monkey on a chain who has escaped out the window? She tends to view everyone else as pets who she keeps on a short leash. That includes Portia. Maybe the monkey is Greg trying to escape.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

I really don’t see those three women as being in purely transactional relationships. Obviously Lucia is but Rachel genuinely seemed to have fallen in love with the man she was with only for that initial glow to wear off and decide she doesn’t like him and Daphne does seem to love Cameron, although she wrestles with his many flaws. I know both of the wives are wealthy due to their husband‘s success but I don’t get the impression that’s the only thing keeping them in the relationship or that’s what they married them for initially

Rachel had a top-notch education and was a writer. It was only after she married and saw she was expected to live her life like his mom—a life of leisure and gossip and nothing of substance. She realized she was in over her head and completely unhappy. It’s like the girl that ends the marriage and has it annulled. There was no indication she was going to ride that marriage out. She was done.

It’s like we saw different show! Rachel went to SUNY Potsdam, was a sub-average gig writer, and returned to him in the airport after she left him!

There's a whole lot of weird fantasy happening in the last page or so of this thread.

I skipped a lot of that nonsense too. D- for the attempt to make formulaic parallels of characters from S1 to S2.
The theme for s2 is masculinity. The theme for s1 was social justice warriors.

I don't think it's masculinity. It's sexual desire - maybe even just desire. Everyone is so randy this season or wants to be.

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Anonymous wrote:So Daphne’s children are from personal trainer, correct?

Either that, or she’s made the personal trainer up and she’s really staying for her children. They way she said “He’s such a cutie” sounded more like she was talking about a baby.

This. There could be a nice trainer, but she doesn't have it in her character to be a cheater. She is too honest and faithful. I don't doubt she wished she could just go bang others as revenge, but she can't because she needs love first and she values marriage and her own vows even if her husband doesn't. I think she is now seeing what a scumbag he is. They obviously have tons of chemistry and passion and he totally love bombed her at the start of their relationship. Even if she knew he was promiscuous, she likely thought he wouldn't be once married and I'm sure he said as much. She also thought a family would ground him.

She was trying to call the kids and obviously misses them, but she goes along with Cameron for fear of losing him because she wants an intact family.

Where...are you getting all this from?

Her expressions. Her statements. The scene of her so badly wanting to be with/call her kids. The way she talks about family/marriage. I think she is a fun person, but the 'cool girl thing' is an act. She visibly looked like she was going to throw up when Harper said to her 'something happened while we were gone'. She knew what that meant and she was gutted, but then tried to brush over it and suppress it and then made up the story about her trainer. Showing the photo of her kids was also telling.

I agree that Daphne reacted but tried to keep it hidden when Harper told her something happened. I'm on the fence about her talking about her trainer as if she has a hottie she's having an affair with or if she was being cute and referring to her child and showing Harper that they matter to her so that's why she puts up with Cam's infidelities.

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I don’t understand why, if Quentin is paying the young dude for sex, Quentin would be on the bottom. Wouldn’t he not get off, pardon my French. I can understand that being on bottom might excite him. But wouldn’t it all be about the Big O which maybe he wouldn’t get to from there?

When they are in Noto, Harper asks Daphne if Cameron ever cheated, and Daphne says maybe once, that she knows about. And says she is not a victim. When asked what she did, Daphne’s said something like, I do what I want. Like coming here. Makes me wonder if the cheating Daphne was talking about was Cameron’s cheating from that very night. Did she lure Harper to Noto so the boys could cheat?

Doesn’t make sense though, since next week’s promo is all about Cameron trying to make it with Harper and that driving Ethan crazy.

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Why is Harper totally losing it?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Harper totally losing it?

Because, despite the other couple's problems and faults, they are shining a mirror back at her and she is facing that her life/job/marriage aren't so great. Her marriage may even be a sham.


In reading the interviews the cast have done here and there, it is clear that Daphne is devious. It makes me wonder if she and Cameron planned to try to damuage or destroy Harper and whats his names marriage to take advantage of whats his name financially. I believe they need money and that is the motivation for their friendship. The same is true of the gays and Tanya.

Someone said the theme of this season was masculinity. I actually think the theme is "men are pigs".

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Where are all the posters who were so happy for Portia to have a little fun with her hot Essex boy, and said they’d do the same?

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the posters who were so happy for Portia to have a little fun with her hot Essex boy, and said they’d do the same?

Right here. Still find him sexy. The scene that bothered me the most was the dine & dash. I know the dashing is to add to his bad-boy mystique but just let Portia pay! Or doesn't he get an allowance from Quentin? Sigh, even in my WL fantasy I'm too practical.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

I really don’t see those three women as being in purely transactional relationships. Obviously Lucia is but Rachel genuinely seemed to have fallen in love with the man she was with only for that initial glow to wear off and decide she doesn’t like him and Daphne does seem to love Cameron, although she wrestles with his many flaws. I know both of the wives are wealthy due to their husband‘s success but I don’t get the impression that’s the only thing keeping them in the relationship or that’s what they married them for initially

Rachel had a top-notch education and was a writer. It was only after she married and saw she was expected to live her life like his mom—a life of leisure and gossip and nothing of substance. She realized she was in over her head and completely unhappy. It’s like the girl that ends the marriage and has it annulled. There was no indication she was going to ride that marriage out. She was done.

It’s like we saw different show! Rachel went to SUNY Potsdam, was a sub-average gig writer, and returned to him in the airport after she left him!

There's a whole lot of weird fantasy happening in the last page or so of this thread.

I skipped a lot of that nonsense too. D- for the attempt to make formulaic parallels of characters from S1 to S2.
The theme for s2 is masculinity. The theme for s1 was social justice warriors.

I’m just giggling at someone who thinks it’s somehow unreasonable to draw parallels between two seasons of the same show but then has decided the “theme” of one season is “social justice warriors.” I’m guessing you either did not take literary or film analysis courses in college or, if you did, you are still wondering why you got B- and why people always seemed annoyed when you opened your mouth in class.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the posters who were so happy for Portia to have a little fun with her hot Essex boy, and said they’d do the same?

Right here. Still find him sexy. The scene that bothered me the most was the dine & dash. I know the dashing is to add to his bad-boy mystique but just let Portia pay! Or doesn't he get an allowance from Quentin? Sigh, even in my WL fantasy I'm too practical.

Not that he has poop on his D???!?! That was nauseating. When she finds that out….

I mean, come on! Anyone with half a brain would have suspected this guy was “earning his keep” with that group of gays.

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I really disliked the latest episode. Before it, I thought this season was better than the first one. I also don’t like that it has turned into a murder mystery. Or maybe that’s just this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:The old, crumbling busts without noses reminded me of STIs? I wonder if that's syphilitic foreshadowing

Portia you in trouble girl

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Anonymous wrote:Albies butt is so gross and I knew that English wanker was a gay

You know that the correct way to phrase this is “I knew that English wanker was gay,” right? I think you know that. Unless you are in the in-group, you don’t refer to people as “a gay,” “a Black,” or “a Jew.” Unless you’re deliberately trying to be inflammatory.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

Lucia was not transactional with Albie, though. She didn’t share that she was a prostitute, asked for money after the fact. I also think the pimp wasn’t really one, and she’s tricking him into a relationship just to get more money.

And I think she will use him to take her/move her to LA because that’s her goal, she said. Then dump that poor naive sad sack.

She’s dishonest and a liar.

She’s says whatever to whomever. That is clear.

She has no future, anywhere.

Actually, she’s a hustler. I could see her being quite successful in a number of fields.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the writer so enjoys shining light on uncomfortable hypocrisy!

I mean, what's the difference between Rachel (season 1 - married to Cornell douche) and Daphne, and Lucia? They all take money in exchange for putting up with a man but I almost respect Lucia more!

Lucia was purely transactional with Dom - had sex, got money, respectfully went on their ways with no relationship.
Rachel semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, forces self to have a relationship with unlikeable husband.
Daphne semi-transactional with husband - got married, got money, enjoys husband and children, forces self to not despise cheating husband.

Lucia was not transactional with Albie, though. She didn’t share that she was a prostitute, asked for money after the fact. I also think the pimp wasn’t really one, and she’s tricking him into a relationship just to get more money.

Lucia and Albie are an interesting one. She had sex which she thought was purely transactional but he didn't; but when he learned it was transactional he was still game and so was she!

He’s a pretty naive yet nice 22 yo with no game, that’s what.

Exactly what she said to Mia -- these young naive American boys ... twinkle in her eye.