ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc

It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.

First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc

You've already confused yourself btw.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc

It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.

First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc

I extended it out for you. Yes this makes much more sense.

8/1/2009 and younger = Senior
8/1/2009 and younger = Junior

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
8/1/2014 and younger = 7th
8/1/2015 and younger = 6th
8/1/2016 and younger = 5th
8/1/2017 and younger = 4th
8/1/2018 and younger = 3rd
8/1/2019 and younger = 2nd
8/1/2020 and younger = 1st
8/1/2021 and younger = kindergarten

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc

It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.

First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc

I extended it out for you. Yes this makes much more sense.

8/1/2009 and younger = Senior
8/1/2009 and younger = Junior

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
8/1/2014 and younger = 7th
8/1/2015 and younger = 6th
8/1/2016 and younger = 5th
8/1/2017 and younger = 4th
8/1/2018 and younger = 3rd
8/1/2019 and younger = 2nd
8/1/2020 and younger = 1st
8/1/2021 and younger = kindergarten

Whats being presented is how the rules will function in SY this fall. Nothing is being added or modified. Its unfortunate that US Soccer included the 7/31 lower bound for each age group because it just confuses people.

[Anonymous]

Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Where's the spin?

In BY having a lower bound for the eligibility grouping made sense because players cant play down.

In SY having a lower bound for the eligibility grouping doesnt make sense because players can play up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

https://usclubsoccer.org/age-group-cut-off-update-for-2026-27-season/

Why is the age group cut-off changing from January 1 (birth year ages)?

There are multiple reasons for this change.

First, the Aug. 1 age group cut-off most effectively reduces the number of “trapped players” in youth soccer and reduces negative impacts on these players at multiple stages of their career. “Trapped” players are those who, due to soccer age group cut-offs, are in an older soccer age group than their school year. Trapped players have significantly reduced competition opportunities and disrupted training experiences in 8th grade (when most of their team is in high school) and are similarly negatively impacted four years later when players from the older soccer age group, but who are still in high school, are moved down into the same soccer age group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc

It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.

First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc

I extended it out for you. Yes this makes much more sense.

8/1/2009 and younger = Senior
8/1/2009 and younger = Junior

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
8/1/2014 and younger = 7th
8/1/2015 and younger = 6th
8/1/2016 and younger = 5th
8/1/2017 and younger = 4th
8/1/2018 and younger = 3rd
8/1/2019 and younger = 2nd
8/1/2020 and younger = 1st
8/1/2021 and younger = kindergarten

I like this 👌 Way easier to figure out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

https://usclubsoccer.org/age-group-cut-off-update-for-2026-27-season/

Why is the age group cut-off changing from January 1 (birth year ages)?

There are multiple reasons for this change.

First, the Aug. 1 age group cut-off most effectively reduces the number of “trapped players” in youth soccer and reduces negative impacts on these players at multiple stages of their career. “Trapped” players are those who, due to soccer age group cut-offs, are in an older soccer age group than their school year. Trapped players have significantly reduced competition opportunities and disrupted training experiences in 8th grade (when most of their team is in high school) and are similarly negatively impacted four years later when players from the older soccer age group, but who are still in high school, are moved down into the same soccer age group.

August 1 to July 31 basically eliminated trapped players. Done deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc

It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.

First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc

I extended it out for you. Yes this makes much more sense.

8/1/2009 and younger = Senior
8/1/2009 and younger = Junior

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
8/1/2014 and younger = 7th
8/1/2015 and younger = 6th
8/1/2016 and younger = 5th
8/1/2017 and younger = 4th
8/1/2018 and younger = 3rd
8/1/2019 and younger = 2nd
8/1/2020 and younger = 1st
8/1/2021 and younger = kindergarten

I like this 👌 Way easier to figure out.

So easy to butcher as it turns out. I didn't think a calculator was needed, you proved them right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

https://usclubsoccer.org/age-group-cut-off-update-for-2026-27-season/

Why is the age group cut-off changing from January 1 (birth year ages)?

There are multiple reasons for this change.

First, the Aug. 1 age group cut-off most effectively reduces the number of “trapped players” in youth soccer and reduces negative impacts on these players at multiple stages of their career. “Trapped” players are those who, due to soccer age group cut-offs, are in an older soccer age group than their school year. Trapped players have significantly reduced competition opportunities and disrupted training experiences in 8th grade (when most of their team is in high school) and are similarly negatively impacted four years later when players from the older soccer age group, but who are still in high school, are moved down into the same soccer age group.

August 1 to July 31 basically eliminated trapped players. Done deal.

Nobody is argueing that.

They're saying that because players are able to play up the 7/31 in SY 8/1-7/31 is not valid or needed. Which is why 8/1 and younger works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc

It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids⁸ rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.

First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc

I extended it out for you. Yes this makes much more sense.

8/1/2009 and younger = Senior
8/1/2009 and younger = Junior

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
8/1/2014 and younger = 7th
8/1/2015 and younger = 6th
8/1/2016 and younger = 5th
8/1/2017 and younger = 4th
8/1/2018 and younger = 3rd
8/1/2019 and younger = 2nd
8/1/2020 and younger = 1st
8/1/2021 and younger = kindergarten

I like this 👌 Way easier to figure out.

So easy to butcher as it turns out. I didn't think a calculator was needed, you proved them right.

What exactly is "easy to butcher" in below?

8/1/2009 and younger = Senior
8/1/2009 and younger = Junior

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
8/1/2014 and younger = 7th
8/1/2015 and younger = 6th
8/1/2016 and younger = 5th
8/1/2017 and younger = 4th
8/1/2018 and younger = 3rd
8/1/2019 and younger = 2nd
8/1/2020 and younger = 1st
8/1/2021 and younger = kindergarten

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

https://usclubsoccer.org/age-group-cut-off-update-for-2026-27-season/

Why is the age group cut-off changing from January 1 (birth year ages)?

There are multiple reasons for this change.

First, the Aug. 1 age group cut-off most effectively reduces the number of “trapped players” in youth soccer and reduces negative impacts on these players at multiple stages of their career. “Trapped” players are those who, due to soccer age group cut-offs, are in an older soccer age group than their school year. Trapped players have significantly reduced competition opportunities and disrupted training experiences in 8th grade (when most of their team is in high school) and are similarly negatively impacted four years later when players from the older soccer age group, but who are still in high school, are moved down into the same soccer age group.

I'm sorry. In your incoherent ramblings, did you say something that added School Grade to the Official US Soccer group calculator?

It's still not there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the actual age group calculator without presenter spin.

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

Wait, the official governing body of US Youth Soccer doesn't have School Grade on their official calculator?

Then why is this thread 400 pages long arguing with School Grade guy?

https://usclubsoccer.org/age-group-cut-off-update-for-2026-27-season/

Why is the age group cut-off changing from January 1 (birth year ages)?

There are multiple reasons for this change.

First, the Aug. 1 age group cut-off most effectively reduces the number of “trapped players” in youth soccer and reduces negative impacts on these players at multiple stages of their career. “Trapped” players are those who, due to soccer age group cut-offs, are in an older soccer age group than their school year. Trapped players have significantly reduced competition opportunities and disrupted training experiences in 8th grade (when most of their team is in high school) and are similarly negatively impacted four years later when players from the older soccer age group, but who are still in high school, are moved down into the same soccer age group.

August 1 to July 31 basically eliminated trapped players. Done deal.

Nobody is argueing that.

They're saying that because players are able to play up the 7/31 in SY 8/1-7/31 is not valid or needed. Which is why 8/1 and younger works.

8/1/year to 7/31/year works