ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/
FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose


So August players are damned if they do and damned if they don't with no chance of making a top team in either age group in your fantasy?

The reality is if Aug birthdays are "good" they'll make their grade in school A team. The only reason an Aug birthday would be looking to play on a grade down A team is because they didnt make the grade in school A team.

In this situation clubs need to step in and save kids from parents who are looking for shortcuts. Put the kid on their correct grade in school B team so if they get better making the correct grade in school A team possible.
Doesn't compute. Clubs around here announced limited playing up and won't know or care about kids grades. It's over. This grade thing was always a lost cause only alive in your head.


Exactly. My HS age August kid's current coach coaches both "A" teams they could play on. He told us directly that he's going to put them one of those two teams next year based on which one he believes is the best fit from a soccer perspective only. Role on the field is the only thing he talked about. Not age. Not grade.

Best fit from a soccer perspective will magically be the team thats your kids grade in school. Your situation is not special or novel. What the coach tells you to keep your checks flowing will be whatever keeps your checks flowing.


Amazing that you have such magical insight into a situation you don't have any knowledge of. If it happens to be their grade, great. If it happens to be their age, also fine.

You're simply talking out your a** pretending to be an expert. You're not.

I've been around youth soccer for over 10 years. Yes, I'm very confident about what I've written because its all things I've experienced in the past.

Clubs choose whats in their best interests

Weasel parents will always be looking for a way to cheat and get their kid some kind of advantage

The sky is blue and water is wet.
An upstanding parent would accept the rules and policies posted by leagues and area clubs, 8/1 - 7/31, best on a limited basis can play up. A weasel would try to invent a rule to make his Sept girl the oldest and bulldoze competition, an August girl, off her team and Gillooly style try to bully people into making bad decisions to selfishly help his girl. And complain incessantly to their club about how it should be run.

And if you've only been around youth soccer for 10, you only had about 2 years of Ulittle previous SY which explains why you didn't know much of how SY used to operate.

As I've said multiple times before in SY pre 2017 I never heard of players playing down. I did hear of players playing up but I never looked at it very closely. Now I understand 100% what they/people were saying. Aug birthdays play up if they need to play on their grade in school team.
Creditable guy posted a bunch of pages back said it was about 1/20 players, about one Aug kid per team playing on age but off grade. That part has been settled. 10 years ago you would have been a parent watching 6 year olds playing 5v5 split goals no goalie. Not exactly the best vantage point to know how the whole youth soccer system, soup to nuts, operates.

Leagues said 8/1-7/31, local clubs trying to limit playing up, bids already mostly out for top teams. It's over, nobody forced to play up.

You make no sense.

Start over and try again.
Your lack of reading comprehension has been well established. See Norcal Mustangs post misread, etc.

Ahh, the post where the Mustangs parent said that their club is allowing players to try out with and play on their grade in school team?

Yea, I didnt miss anything.
NorCal Mustangs don't care about grades.

Someone does or they wouldn't be allowing players to try out for their grade in school team.

BTW this is what most clubs are doing. Which over time will lead to top teams being all one graduating year / grade in school.
They are letting everyone play up an age group. They don't care about grades.
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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/
FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose


So August players are damned if they do and damned if they don't with no chance of making a top team in either age group in your fantasy?

The reality is if Aug birthdays are "good" they'll make their grade in school A team. The only reason an Aug birthday would be looking to play on a grade down A team is because they didnt make the grade in school A team.

In this situation clubs need to step in and save kids from parents who are looking for shortcuts. Put the kid on their correct grade in school B team so if they get better making the correct grade in school A team possible.
Doesn't compute. Clubs around here announced limited playing up and won't know or care about kids grades. It's over. This grade thing was always a lost cause only alive in your head.


Exactly. My HS age August kid's current coach coaches both "A" teams they could play on. He told us directly that he's going to put them one of those two teams next year based on which one he believes is the best fit from a soccer perspective only. Role on the field is the only thing he talked about. Not age. Not grade.

Best fit from a soccer perspective will magically be the team thats your kids grade in school. Your situation is not special or novel. What the coach tells you to keep your checks flowing will be whatever keeps your checks flowing.


Amazing that you have such magical insight into a situation you don't have any knowledge of. If it happens to be their grade, great. If it happens to be their age, also fine.

You're simply talking out your a** pretending to be an expert. You're not.

I've been around youth soccer for over 10 years. Yes, I'm very confident about what I've written because its all things I've experienced in the past.

Clubs choose whats in their best interests

Weasel parents will always be looking for a way to cheat and get their kid some kind of advantage

The sky is blue and water is wet.
An upstanding parent would accept the rules and policies posted by leagues and area clubs, 8/1 - 7/31, best on a limited basis can play up. A weasel would try to invent a rule to make his Sept girl the oldest and bulldoze competition, an August girl, off her team and Gillooly style try to bully people into making bad decisions to selfishly help his girl. And complain incessantly to their club about how it should be run.

And if you've only been around youth soccer for 10, you only had about 2 years of Ulittle previous SY which explains why you didn't know much of how SY used to operate.

As I've said multiple times before in SY pre 2017 I never heard of players playing down. I did hear of players playing up but I never looked at it very closely. Now I understand 100% what they/people were saying. Aug birthdays play up if they need to play on their grade in school team.
Creditable guy posted a bunch of pages back said it was about 1/20 players, about one Aug kid per team playing on age but off grade. That part has been settled. 10 years ago you would have been a parent watching 6 year olds playing 5v5 split goals no goalie. Not exactly the best vantage point to know how the whole youth soccer system, soup to nuts, operates.

Leagues said 8/1-7/31, local clubs trying to limit playing up, bids already mostly out for top teams. It's over, nobody forced to play up.

You make no sense.

Start over and try again.
Your lack of reading comprehension has been well established. See Norcal Mustangs post misread, etc.

Ahh, the post where the Mustangs parent said that their club is allowing players to try out with and play on their grade in school team?

Yea, I didnt miss anything.
NorCal Mustangs don't care about grades.

Someone does or they wouldn't be allowing players to try out for their grade in school team.

BTW this is what most clubs are doing. Which over time will lead to top teams being all one graduating year / grade in school.
They are letting everyone play up an age group. They don't care about grades.

Correct that anyone can play up.

However the only group with an incentive to play up is Aug birthdays so they can play on a team with players their grade in school.l and be aligned with level played in club and grade in school.

Other players can play up but all they're doing is making college recruitment more difficult because their graduation year (grade in school) and level played in club are out of alignement. This would be the same issue Aug-Dec birthdays in BY are going through right now. Recruitment has cycles and times when college coaches are looking for players with the expectation that they'll graduate a specific year. Being out of alignement either way younger or older makes things much more difficult.
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Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc
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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/
FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose


So August players are damned if they do and damned if they don't with no chance of making a top team in either age group in your fantasy?

The reality is if Aug birthdays are "good" they'll make their grade in school A team. The only reason an Aug birthday would be looking to play on a grade down A team is because they didnt make the grade in school A team.

In this situation clubs need to step in and save kids from parents who are looking for shortcuts. Put the kid on their correct grade in school B team so if they get better making the correct grade in school A team possible.
Doesn't compute. Clubs around here announced limited playing up and won't know or care about kids grades. It's over. This grade thing was always a lost cause only alive in your head.


Exactly. My HS age August kid's current coach coaches both "A" teams they could play on. He told us directly that he's going to put them one of those two teams next year based on which one he believes is the best fit from a soccer perspective only. Role on the field is the only thing he talked about. Not age. Not grade.

Best fit from a soccer perspective will magically be the team thats your kids grade in school. Your situation is not special or novel. What the coach tells you to keep your checks flowing will be whatever keeps your checks flowing.


Amazing that you have such magical insight into a situation you don't have any knowledge of. If it happens to be their grade, great. If it happens to be their age, also fine.

You're simply talking out your a** pretending to be an expert. You're not.

I've been around youth soccer for over 10 years. Yes, I'm very confident about what I've written because its all things I've experienced in the past.

Clubs choose whats in their best interests

Weasel parents will always be looking for a way to cheat and get their kid some kind of advantage

The sky is blue and water is wet.
An upstanding parent would accept the rules and policies posted by leagues and area clubs, 8/1 - 7/31, best on a limited basis can play up. A weasel would try to invent a rule to make his Sept girl the oldest and bulldoze competition, an August girl, off her team and Gillooly style try to bully people into making bad decisions to selfishly help his girl. And complain incessantly to their club about how it should be run.

And if you've only been around youth soccer for 10, you only had about 2 years of Ulittle previous SY which explains why you didn't know much of how SY used to operate.

As I've said multiple times before in SY pre 2017 I never heard of players playing down. I did hear of players playing up but I never looked at it very closely. Now I understand 100% what they/people were saying. Aug birthdays play up if they need to play on their grade in school team.
Creditable guy posted a bunch of pages back said it was about 1/20 players, about one Aug kid per team playing on age but off grade. That part has been settled. 10 years ago you would have been a parent watching 6 year olds playing 5v5 split goals no goalie. Not exactly the best vantage point to know how the whole youth soccer system, soup to nuts, operates.

Leagues said 8/1-7/31, local clubs trying to limit playing up, bids already mostly out for top teams. It's over, nobody forced to play up.

You make no sense.

Start over and try again.
Your lack of reading comprehension has been well established. See Norcal Mustangs post misread, etc.

Ahh, the post where the Mustangs parent said that their club is allowing players to try out with and play on their grade in school team?

Yea, I didnt miss anything.
NorCal Mustangs don't care about grades.

Someone does or they wouldn't be allowing players to try out for their grade in school team.

BTW this is what most clubs are doing. Which over time will lead to top teams being all one graduating year / grade in school.
They are letting everyone play up an age group. They don't care about grades.

Correct that anyone can play up.

However the only group with an incentive to play up is Aug birthdays so they can play on a team with players their grade in school.l and be aligned with level played in club and grade in school.

Other players can play up but all they're doing is making college recruitment more difficult because their graduation year (grade in school) and level played in club are out of alignement. This would be the same issue Aug-Dec birthdays in BY are going through right now. Recruitment has cycles and times when college coaches are looking for players with the expectation that they'll graduate a specific year. Being out of alignement either way younger or older makes things much more difficult.
College coaches told clubs they don't care what age group you are in. They take the best players from HS, transfers and Internationals and compare them against each other regardless of team they play on. And most contact them. The incentive is to be the oldest and play on age but FOMO and bragging at the bus stop pushes some to play up and sit on the bench.
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Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc
It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.
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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/
FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose


So August players are damned if they do and damned if they don't with no chance of making a top team in either age group in your fantasy?

The reality is if Aug birthdays are "good" they'll make their grade in school A team. The only reason an Aug birthday would be looking to play on a grade down A team is because they didnt make the grade in school A team.

In this situation clubs need to step in and save kids from parents who are looking for shortcuts. Put the kid on their correct grade in school B team so if they get better making the correct grade in school A team possible.
Doesn't compute. Clubs around here announced limited playing up and won't know or care about kids grades. It's over. This grade thing was always a lost cause only alive in your head.


Exactly. My HS age August kid's current coach coaches both "A" teams they could play on. He told us directly that he's going to put them one of those two teams next year based on which one he believes is the best fit from a soccer perspective only. Role on the field is the only thing he talked about. Not age. Not grade.

Best fit from a soccer perspective will magically be the team thats your kids grade in school. Your situation is not special or novel. What the coach tells you to keep your checks flowing will be whatever keeps your checks flowing.


Amazing that you have such magical insight into a situation you don't have any knowledge of. If it happens to be their grade, great. If it happens to be their age, also fine.

You're simply talking out your a** pretending to be an expert. You're not.

I've been around youth soccer for over 10 years. Yes, I'm very confident about what I've written because its all things I've experienced in the past.

Clubs choose whats in their best interests

Weasel parents will always be looking for a way to cheat and get their kid some kind of advantage

The sky is blue and water is wet.
An upstanding parent would accept the rules and policies posted by leagues and area clubs, 8/1 - 7/31, best on a limited basis can play up. A weasel would try to invent a rule to make his Sept girl the oldest and bulldoze competition, an August girl, off her team and Gillooly style try to bully people into making bad decisions to selfishly help his girl. And complain incessantly to their club about how it should be run.

And if you've only been around youth soccer for 10, you only had about 2 years of Ulittle previous SY which explains why you didn't know much of how SY used to operate.

As I've said multiple times before in SY pre 2017 I never heard of players playing down. I did hear of players playing up but I never looked at it very closely. Now I understand 100% what they/people were saying. Aug birthdays play up if they need to play on their grade in school team.
Creditable guy posted a bunch of pages back said it was about 1/20 players, about one Aug kid per team playing on age but off grade. That part has been settled. 10 years ago you would have been a parent watching 6 year olds playing 5v5 split goals no goalie. Not exactly the best vantage point to know how the whole youth soccer system, soup to nuts, operates.

Leagues said 8/1-7/31, local clubs trying to limit playing up, bids already mostly out for top teams. It's over, nobody forced to play up.

You make no sense.

Start over and try again.
Your lack of reading comprehension has been well established. See Norcal Mustangs post misread, etc.

Ahh, the post where the Mustangs parent said that their club is allowing players to try out with and play on their grade in school team?

Yea, I didnt miss anything.
NorCal Mustangs don't care about grades.

Someone does or they wouldn't be allowing players to try out for their grade in school team.

BTW this is what most clubs are doing. Which over time will lead to top teams being all one graduating year / grade in school.
They are letting everyone play up an age group. They don't care about grades.

Correct that anyone can play up.

However the only group with an incentive to play up is Aug birthdays so they can play on a team with players their grade in school.l and be aligned with level played in club and grade in school.

Other players can play up but all they're doing is making college recruitment more difficult because their graduation year (grade in school) and level played in club are out of alignement. This would be the same issue Aug-Dec birthdays in BY are going through right now. Recruitment has cycles and times when college coaches are looking for players with the expectation that they'll graduate a specific year. Being out of alignement either way younger or older makes things much more difficult.
College coaches told clubs they don't care what age group you are in. They take the best players from HS, transfers and Internationals and compare them against each other regardless of team they play on. And most contact them. The incentive is to be the oldest and play on age but FOMO and bragging at the bus stop pushes some to play up and sit on the bench.

You keep trying to twist people's words.

College coaches 100% only care about players graduating year or grade in school. Age is irrelevant because grade in school is all that matters.

Logically people know that you're lieing to try and push a narrative.
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Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc
It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.
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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/
FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose


So August players are damned if they do and damned if they don't with no chance of making a top team in either age group in your fantasy?

The reality is if Aug birthdays are "good" they'll make their grade in school A team. The only reason an Aug birthday would be looking to play on a grade down A team is because they didnt make the grade in school A team.

In this situation clubs need to step in and save kids from parents who are looking for shortcuts. Put the kid on their correct grade in school B team so if they get better making the correct grade in school A team possible.
Doesn't compute. Clubs around here announced limited playing up and won't know or care about kids grades. It's over. This grade thing was always a lost cause only alive in your head.


Exactly. My HS age August kid's current coach coaches both "A" teams they could play on. He told us directly that he's going to put them one of those two teams next year based on which one he believes is the best fit from a soccer perspective only. Role on the field is the only thing he talked about. Not age. Not grade.

Best fit from a soccer perspective will magically be the team thats your kids grade in school. Your situation is not special or novel. What the coach tells you to keep your checks flowing will be whatever keeps your checks flowing.


Amazing that you have such magical insight into a situation you don't have any knowledge of. If it happens to be their grade, great. If it happens to be their age, also fine.

You're simply talking out your a** pretending to be an expert. You're not.

I've been around youth soccer for over 10 years. Yes, I'm very confident about what I've written because its all things I've experienced in the past.

Clubs choose whats in their best interests

Weasel parents will always be looking for a way to cheat and get their kid some kind of advantage

The sky is blue and water is wet.
An upstanding parent would accept the rules and policies posted by leagues and area clubs, 8/1 - 7/31, best on a limited basis can play up. A weasel would try to invent a rule to make his Sept girl the oldest and bulldoze competition, an August girl, off her team and Gillooly style try to bully people into making bad decisions to selfishly help his girl. And complain incessantly to their club about how it should be run.

And if you've only been around youth soccer for 10, you only had about 2 years of Ulittle previous SY which explains why you didn't know much of how SY used to operate.

As I've said multiple times before in SY pre 2017 I never heard of players playing down. I did hear of players playing up but I never looked at it very closely. Now I understand 100% what they/people were saying. Aug birthdays play up if they need to play on their grade in school team.
Creditable guy posted a bunch of pages back said it was about 1/20 players, about one Aug kid per team playing on age but off grade. That part has been settled. 10 years ago you would have been a parent watching 6 year olds playing 5v5 split goals no goalie. Not exactly the best vantage point to know how the whole youth soccer system, soup to nuts, operates.

Leagues said 8/1-7/31, local clubs trying to limit playing up, bids already mostly out for top teams. It's over, nobody forced to play up.

You make no sense.

Start over and try again.
Your lack of reading comprehension has been well established. See Norcal Mustangs post misread, etc.

Ahh, the post where the Mustangs parent said that their club is allowing players to try out with and play on their grade in school team?

Yea, I didnt miss anything.
NorCal Mustangs don't care about grades.

Someone does or they wouldn't be allowing players to try out for their grade in school team.

BTW this is what most clubs are doing. Which over time will lead to top teams being all one graduating year / grade in school.
They are letting everyone play up an age group. They don't care about grades.

Correct that anyone can play up.

However the only group with an incentive to play up is Aug birthdays so they can play on a team with players their grade in school.l and be aligned with level played in club and grade in school.

Other players can play up but all they're doing is making college recruitment more difficult because their graduation year (grade in school) and level played in club are out of alignement. This would be the same issue Aug-Dec birthdays in BY are going through right now. Recruitment has cycles and times when college coaches are looking for players with the expectation that they'll graduate a specific year. Being out of alignement either way younger or older makes things much more difficult.
College coaches told clubs they don't care what age group you are in. They take the best players from HS, transfers and Internationals and compare them against each other regardless of team they play on. And most contact them. The incentive is to be the oldest and play on age but FOMO and bragging at the bus stop pushes some to play up and sit on the bench.

You keep trying to twist people's words.

College coaches 100% only care about players graduating year or grade in school. Age is irrelevant because grade in school is all that matters.

Logically people know that you're lieing to try and push a narrative.
Your Dr. Evil bias to help your kid is having you conveniently ignore that a kids graduation year and youth soccer age group are different. College coaches told clubs they don't care what age group the kids play in or the quality of the team they play on. They take the best that reach out to them, transfers, foreign and HS players regardless of their team.
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Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc


Seems of Millions of folks, you're the only one having sleepless nights about this
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc
It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.
First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc


Why have more under 8/1/2008 and younger?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc


Why have more under 8/1/2008 and younger?

Because these are the different levels defined in SY. Which roughly aligns to grade in school. You pick the level that is your kids grade in school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc
It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.
First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc
It doesn't of course, since the beginning of time, lage clubs limit playing up in soccer, in other sports and kids rarely enter school a year early also. It's a silly argument that because you can you should or that it would be allowed at most clubs for your kid. It isn't 9 times out of 10.

Why would a club "limit playing up in soccer"? The things you write make no sense.

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger

Is exactly how groupings function in SY because players can play up.
First you say all clubs rosters will have the same graduation year and now you say playing up will be running rampant contrary to what has ever happened in youth soccer? Your inconsistent positions undermine your creditiblilty.

Theres no inconsistency.

2011 as an example in SY this fall will be all Sophmores and 2012 will be all Freshman.

Heres what it will look like this fall when SY kicks in. I'd include 2010 and above but this is the u18/u19 (Junior/Senior) combined group which would just confuse people.

8/1/2011 and younger = Sophmore
8/1/2012 and younger = Freshman
8/1/2013 and younger = 8th
etc
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.


You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX

How does that make a difference?

Levels...
8/1/2008 and younger
8/1/2009 and younger
8/1/2010 and younger
8/1/2011 and younger
8/1/2012 and younger
8/1/2013 and younger
etc


Why have more under 8/1/2008 and younger?

Because these are the different levels defined in SY. Which roughly aligns to grade in school. You pick the level that is your kids grade in school.
Bad advice that local clubs aren't buying. They assign your age group based on DOB. Play on age here, best play up which is limited. For rec or lower level teams, playing up considered more likely.

Colorado Rapids sums things up.

Will players be organized strictly by their school grade? No. Players will be organized by "School-Year Age Groups" (August 1-July 31), not by their specific academic grade.

Here is the difference: While the new system will naturally align most players with their classmates, "Grade Level" is an academic designation that varies from family to family (due to children starting school early or late, repeating a year, or varying state enrollment dates).

"School-Year Age Groups" use a strict national birthdate range (August 1 to July 31). This ensures a nationwide consistent, fair, and objective standard for safety and competition, regardless of a player’s individual academic path.


Why are teams organized by the August 1–July 31 date range rather than strictly by "Grade Level"? While the new age group system is often referred to as "School Year" because it aligns better with school grades than the calendar year, we will use the nationwide age groupings of August 1st to July 31st date range for safety and fairness.

We cannot organize strictly by "Grade" because grade levels are variable, whereas birth dates are factual. Organizing strictly by grade can create significant risks:

The Age Gap Risk: Because kids start school at different ages, are held back, or skip grades, a single grade level can include children whose ages span 2+ years.

Physical Safety: We already see significant physical differences within a standard 12-month age gap. If we were to widen that window to 24+ months (as seen in strict grade-based grouping), the physical disparity becomes dangerous. A "held-back" 13-year-old competing against a young 11-year-old in the same grade poses a real safety concern.

Developmental Fairness: When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity.
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