ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

No, and repeating it doesn't make it true

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

Our club will put players in the correct age grouping…Aug to July no matter the grade the best players in that range make the team. If they are in a grade above that’s for the kids family to deal with and make the decision I guess if they want on the team. I don’t understand all this talk about August players, it is what it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

No, and repeating it doesn't make it true

So you think just saying "No" means that clubs wont do something that makes their business easier to manage?

Clubs have two options with Aug birthdays.

1. Take their money and allow Aug players to play on grade down teams. Short term this will work. However long term its guaranteed to cause drama. Which likely will blow up teams.

2. Roster them on a correct grade in school B team. Parents may or may not choose to play on the team. If they do great the club gets more money. If they don't the club avoids all the drama that comes with players playing down a grade.

You can see why clubs will abopt a no playing down policy. I keeps drama to a minimum and lets teams/coaches focus on playing with your grade only.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

Our club will put players in the correct age grouping…Aug to July no matter the grade the best players in that range make the team. If they are in a grade above that’s for the kids family to deal with and make the decision I guess if they want on the team. I don’t understand all this talk about August players, it is what it is.

This is a large ECNL club BTW

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

No, and repeating it doesn't make it true

So you think just saying "No" means that clubs wont do something that makes their business easier to manage?

Clubs have two options with Aug birthdays.

1. Take their money and allow Aug players to play on grade down teams. Short term this will work. However long term its guaranteed to cause drama. Which likely will blow up teams.

2. Roster them on a correct grade in school B team. Parents may or may not choose to play on the team. If they do great the club gets more money. If they don't the club avoids all the drama that comes with players playing down a grade.

You can see why clubs will abopt a no playing down policy. I keeps drama to a minimum and lets teams/coaches focus on playing with your grade only.

Explain slowly, in point by point detail, exactly how grouping teams by school grade makes things easier for a club

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

Our club will put players in the correct age grouping…Aug to July no matter the grade the best players in that range make the team. If they are in a grade above that’s for the kids family to deal with and make the decision I guess if they want on the team. I don’t understand all this talk about August players, it is what it is.

Because US Soccer didnt make a clear definition of what clubs should do with Aug birthdays its up to clubs/parents to make the decisions. It all comes down to when the school district your kids started school at defined their cutoff date and if parents chose to skirt the rules so their kid can be the oldest.

Whats weird is in BY some Aug birthdays will be playing on a team thats mostly a players a grade older than they are. When we switch to SY this fall that same player will be the oldest on a team where they're a grade older than everyone else. In essence they'll be dropping down two levels in club soccer. How a club could allow this to happen and not play a player in this situation "up" so they're on the correct grade in school team is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

No, and repeating it doesn't make it true

So you think just saying "No" means that clubs wont do something that makes their business easier to manage?

Clubs have two options with Aug birthdays.

1. Take their money and allow Aug players to play on grade down teams. Short term this will work. However long term its guaranteed to cause drama. Which likely will blow up teams.

2. Roster them on a correct grade in school B team. Parents may or may not choose to play on the team. If they do great the club gets more money. If they don't the club avoids all the drama that comes with players playing down a grade.

You can see why clubs will abopt a no playing down policy. I keeps drama to a minimum and lets teams/coaches focus on playing with your grade only.

Explain slowly, in point by point detail, exactly how grouping teams by school grade makes things easier for a club

Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team. This is because its better for players when they get to recruiting years. Its better for the club because they avoid 8th grade teams with 9th grade players who do high school soccer for 4 months out of the year. And in general its easier for clubs to manage everyone when players are grouped by grade. (Think homecoming, or a school trip that only one grade participates in, etc) On top of everything else it keeps correct grade in school parents from getting pissed at the play down taking their kids minutes at events. (showcases) Which causes teams to blow up.

[Anonymous]

SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

[Anonymous]

The homecoming and field trips explanation is the best one I’ve seen yet lol. You must have a kid in a small town where everyone on the team goes to the same school. Sure, that would help for planning purposes in that specific situation, but not around here where kids on the team go to a wide range of schools. Hint - different schools have different homecoming and field trip dates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The homecoming and field trips explanation is the best one I’ve seen yet lol. You must have a kid in a small town where everyone on the team goes to the same school. Sure, that would help for planning purposes in that specific situation, but not around here where kids on the team go to a wide range of schools. Hint - different schools have different homecoming and field trip dates.

Ok smart guy what happens when 90% of the team is in 8th grade and if the club allows Aug birthday play downs 10% is in High School? Attending homecoming, playing high school soccer, etc. This is why homecoming was selected as an example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

No, and repeating it doesn't make it true

So you think just saying "No" means that clubs wont do something that makes their business easier to manage?

Clubs have two options with Aug birthdays.

1. Take their money and allow Aug players to play on grade down teams. Short term this will work. However long term its guaranteed to cause drama. Which likely will blow up teams.

2. Roster them on a correct grade in school B team. Parents may or may not choose to play on the team. If they do great the club gets more money. If they don't the club avoids all the drama that comes with players playing down a grade.

You can see why clubs will abopt a no playing down policy. I keeps drama to a minimum and lets teams/coaches focus on playing with your grade only.

Explain slowly, in point by point detail, exactly how grouping teams by school grade makes things easier for a club

Clubs want all levels of player playing on the correct grade in school A B C etc team. This is because its better for players when they get to recruiting years. Its better for the club because they avoid 8th grade teams with 9th grade players who do high school soccer for 4 months out of the year. And in general its easier for clubs to manage everyone when players are grouped by grade. (Think homecoming, or a school trip that only one grade participates in, etc) On top of everything else it keeps correct grade in school parents from getting pissed at the play down taking their kids minutes at events. (showcases) Which causes teams to blow up.

Are you going to actually answer the question

You've said nothing that shows club management is easier, better, using school grades than it is now going by calendar date of birth

Also, why is the ease of club management more important than the soccer development of the kids?

There are no 8th grade teams or 9th grade teams.
There are players in 8th grade and players in 9th grade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

No, and repeating it doesn't make it true

So you think just saying "No" means that clubs wont do something that makes their business easier to manage?

Clubs have two options with Aug birthdays.

1. Take their money and allow Aug players to play on grade down teams. Short term this will work. However long term its guaranteed to cause drama. Which likely will blow up teams.

2. Roster them on a correct grade in school B team. Parents may or may not choose to play on the team. If they do great the club gets more money. If they don't the club avoids all the drama that comes with players playing down a grade.

You can see why clubs will abopt a no playing down policy. I keeps drama to a minimum and lets teams/coaches focus on playing with your grade only.

This is pure speculation and not grounded in any proof or evidence.

Also, clubs allowing families to decide if they want to play up on grade is not evidence. Evidence would be forcing them to play up, or cutting them from age team A. Which we haven't seen yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread (from yesterday) where parents are reporting that clubs are allowing Aug birthdays to play on the team thats their grade in school. Also 99% of comments are suggesting parents play their kid on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25942942895333466/

FYI, allowing isn't forcing.

Notice that the OP of the Facebook thread said their club is forcing kids to play on age and blocking playing up.

Clubs around here are sticking with age, best can play up. Random hopes and dreams on a Facebook posts aren8't a data point.

Nobody is going to force Aug players to play on their coreect grade in school team. They just wont make the grade below them A team. But coaches will offer a spot on the correct grade in school B team or grade down B team. We all know which one you'll choose

Not this claim again. They won't make the grade below A team? What kind of club excludes potentially one of their best players from making THEIR AGE GROUP A team based on their grade?

A club that knows allowing Aug birthdays to play down creates long term issues. The short term wins arent worth the long term challenges. Also its better for the player to have club level and grade in school aligned for college recruiting.

Our club will put players in the correct age grouping…Aug to July no matter the grade the best players in that range make the team. If they are in a grade above that’s for the kids family to deal with and make the decision I guess if they want on the team. I don’t understand all this talk about August players, it is what it is.

Because US Soccer didnt make a clear definition of what clubs should do with Aug birthdays its up to clubs/parents to make the decisions. It all comes down to when the school district your kids started school at defined their cutoff date and if parents chose to skirt the rules so their kid can be the oldest.

Whats weird is in BY some Aug birthdays will be playing on a team thats mostly a players a grade older than they are. When we switch to SY this fall that same player will be the oldest on a team where they're a grade older than everyone else. In essence they'll be dropping down two levels in club soccer. How a club could allow this to happen and not play a player in this situation "up" so they're on the correct grade in school team is beyond me.

But you are using grade to determine up and down. Age should be used to determine up and down. What do you do with a player who went to school on time and is in advanced courses and may graduate early, do you play them up two grades?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SY 8/1-7/31 is a dumb way to describe grouping eligibility when players are allowed to play up. This is because the 7/31 date is meaningless again if players are allowed to play up.

They should have labeled the grouping 8/1 and younger. Because this is what it actually is.

People are getting humg up on 7/31 when its meaningless.

You forget its actually 8/1/XXXX to 7/1/XXXX