Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

I can totally understand someone who grew up in the W schools not wanting that environment for their kids. But I'm curious which school did you pick instead? There are plenty of good, non-W schools that aren't lacking science labs, sports equipment/uniforms, music and theater - schools such as QO, RM, Rockville, Northwest, etc. Which school did you pick instead that is lacking all those things?

Many schools don’t have it. Either the boosters and pta provide or they go without. We just do activities outside of Mcps.

Or, imagine you just “paid cash” as you said you are able for a home that would have your kids attend a school that actually could provide these things instead of making your kids go to a school you could use for your own virtue signaling needs.

DP. It's one public school system, operating at the county level. Should it be failing to provide reasonably equivalent services to the individuals it is charged by the state to serve? Or should we do away with the concept of equal protection?

As a W school parent, I wish things were equal. Then our schools would get a lot more money. Currently MCPS spends millions more in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. Pretending that east county is somehow being short-changed is simply lying.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

Not getting shanked or shot in the school bathroom.

You're welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

I can totally understand someone who grew up in the W schools not wanting that environment for their kids. But I'm curious which school did you pick instead? There are plenty of good, non-W schools that aren't lacking science labs, sports equipment/uniforms, music and theater - schools such as QO, RM, Rockville, Northwest, etc. Which school did you pick instead that is lacking all those things?

Many schools don’t have it. Either the boosters and pta provide or they go without. We just do activities outside of Mcps.

Or, imagine you just “paid cash” as you said you are able for a home that would have your kids attend a school that actually could provide these things instead of making your kids go to a school you could use for your own virtue signaling needs.

DP. It's one public school system, operating at the county level. Should it be failing to provide reasonably equivalent services to the individuals it is charged by the state to serve? Or should we do away with the concept of equal protection?

As a W school parent, I wish things were equal. Then our schools would get a lot more money. Currently MCPS spends millions more in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. Pretending that east county is somehow being short-changed is simply lying.

You really don’t know the disparities? Be real. Your schools have robust course offerings, science labs, lots of stem, hand on equipment, nice uniforms, instruments, sounds systems, etc. we have things that are from the 70 or 80s at best with no hope of replacement. My kids have never had a science lab, just a teacher lecturing and worksheets, falling apart art and music equipment, etc. Just compare the actual course catalog.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

Not getting shanked or shot in the school bathroom.

You're welcome.

You do know violent things happen at every school, including w schools, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

I can totally understand someone who grew up in the W schools not wanting that environment for their kids. But I'm curious which school did you pick instead? There are plenty of good, non-W schools that aren't lacking science labs, sports equipment/uniforms, music and theater - schools such as QO, RM, Rockville, Northwest, etc. Which school did you pick instead that is lacking all those things?

Many schools don’t have it. Either the boosters and pta provide or they go without. We just do activities outside of Mcps.

Or, imagine you just “paid cash” as you said you are able for a home that would have your kids attend a school that actually could provide these things instead of making your kids go to a school you could use for your own virtue signaling needs.

DP. It's one public school system, operating at the county level. Should it be failing to provide reasonably equivalent services to the individuals it is charged by the state to serve? Or should we do away with the concept of equal protection?

As a W school parent, I wish things were equal. Then our schools would get a lot more money. Currently MCPS spends millions more in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. Pretending that east county is somehow being short-changed is simply lying.

You really don’t know the disparities? Be real. Your schools have robust course offerings, science labs, lots of stem, hand on equipment, nice uniforms, instruments, sounds systems, etc. we have things that are from the 70 or 80s at best with no hope of replacement. My kids have never had a science lab, just a teacher lecturing and worksheets, falling apart art and music equipment, etc. Just compare the actual course catalog.

I know that MCPS spends millions more per year in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. And what you described is exactly what my kids' experienced in HS. If we actually got an equal share of the budget, things could be fantastic. But MCPS is equity-obsessed so things are quite bad. As for courses, the offerings in each school reflect the ability of the students in those schools. It would be a waste of resources to offer advanced classes in schools without enough students to populate them.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

You're an excellent driver.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

Not getting shanked or shot in the school bathroom.

You're welcome.

You do know violent things happen at every school, including w schools, right?

Sure, sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

I can totally understand someone who grew up in the W schools not wanting that environment for their kids. But I'm curious which school did you pick instead? There are plenty of good, non-W schools that aren't lacking science labs, sports equipment/uniforms, music and theater - schools such as QO, RM, Rockville, Northwest, etc. Which school did you pick instead that is lacking all those things?

Many schools don’t have it. Either the boosters and pta provide or they go without. We just do activities outside of Mcps.

Or, imagine you just “paid cash” as you said you are able for a home that would have your kids attend a school that actually could provide these things instead of making your kids go to a school you could use for your own virtue signaling needs.

DP. It's one public school system, operating at the county level. Should it be failing to provide reasonably equivalent services to the individuals it is charged by the state to serve? Or should we do away with the concept of equal protection?

As a W school parent, I wish things were equal. Then our schools would get a lot more money. Currently MCPS spends millions more in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. Pretending that east county is somehow being short-changed is simply lying.

You really don’t know the disparities? Be real. Your schools have robust course offerings, science labs, lots of stem, hand on equipment, nice uniforms, instruments, sounds systems, etc. we have things that are from the 70 or 80s at best with no hope of replacement. My kids have never had a science lab, just a teacher lecturing and worksheets, falling apart art and music equipment, etc. Just compare the actual course catalog.

I know that MCPS spends millions more per year in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. And what you described is exactly what my kids' experienced in HS. If we actually got an equal share of the budget, things could be fantastic. But MCPS is equity-obsessed so things are quite bad. As for courses, the offerings in each school reflect the ability of the students in those schools. It would be a waste of resources to offer advanced classes in schools without enough students to populate them.

Not in HS, in ES, it goes by farms rates which is why MCPS is doing the lower income schools a disservice by changing the farms rate to lose the farms money. Every school gets the same per pupil and then they get extra money for IEP and FARMS. However, its easier to provide for students at schools with fewer IEP's and struggling students. And, having foundations that raise hundreds of thousands per year also makes a hufe difference.

Our schools don't reflect the abilities of all students, just the lower and mid-students. The others students either lottery into other schools, go to magnets, privates or MC or go without the classes they need if parents cannot make the transportation work to MC.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

I can totally understand someone who grew up in the W schools not wanting that environment for their kids. But I'm curious which school did you pick instead? There are plenty of good, non-W schools that aren't lacking science labs, sports equipment/uniforms, music and theater - schools such as QO, RM, Rockville, Northwest, etc. Which school did you pick instead that is lacking all those things?

Many schools don’t have it. Either the boosters and pta provide or they go without. We just do activities outside of Mcps.

Or, imagine you just “paid cash” as you said you are able for a home that would have your kids attend a school that actually could provide these things instead of making your kids go to a school you could use for your own virtue signaling needs.

DP. It's one public school system, operating at the county level. Should it be failing to provide reasonably equivalent services to the individuals it is charged by the state to serve? Or should we do away with the concept of equal protection?

As a W school parent, I wish things were equal. Then our schools would get a lot more money. Currently MCPS spends millions more in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. Pretending that east county is somehow being short-changed is simply lying.

You really don’t know the disparities? Be real. Your schools have robust course offerings, science labs, lots of stem, hand on equipment, nice uniforms, instruments, sounds systems, etc. we have things that are from the 70 or 80s at best with no hope of replacement. My kids have never had a science lab, just a teacher lecturing and worksheets, falling apart art and music equipment, etc. Just compare the actual course catalog.

I know that MCPS spends millions more per year in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. And what you described is exactly what my kids' experienced in HS. If we actually got an equal share of the budget, things could be fantastic. But MCPS is equity-obsessed so things are quite bad. As for courses, the offerings in each school reflect the ability of the students in those schools. It would be a waste of resources to offer advanced classes in schools without enough students to populate them.

It’s this exactly. And I have personal experience with it-my HS in another state was an awful very low performance school. I signed up for AP History for 12th grade and they cancelled that and nearly all the other AP classes that year because no class had more than 3 people sign up-3! They are not offering a large array of advanced and AP classes at every school because there isn’t enough interest.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

Not getting shanked or shot in the school bathroom.

You're welcome.

You do know violent things happen at every school, including w schools, right?

Sure, sure.

Google is your friend but Wootton had a terrible rape a few years ago that was covered up. No way I'd be ok with my kids going to Wootton via safety reasons (and parents).

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

Not getting shanked or shot in the school bathroom.

You're welcome.

You do know violent things happen at every school, including w schools, right?

Except WAY less often and less severe. And also with actual consequences not just from law enforcement but from parents. And I’m specifically referring to VIOLENCE not drugs. Because I know that will probably be your next comment. I’ll take the risk of someone trying to sell my kid drugs than stabbing them any day.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

I can totally understand someone who grew up in the W schools not wanting that environment for their kids. But I'm curious which school did you pick instead? There are plenty of good, non-W schools that aren't lacking science labs, sports equipment/uniforms, music and theater - schools such as QO, RM, Rockville, Northwest, etc. Which school did you pick instead that is lacking all those things?

Many schools don’t have it. Either the boosters and pta provide or they go without. We just do activities outside of Mcps.

Or, imagine you just “paid cash” as you said you are able for a home that would have your kids attend a school that actually could provide these things instead of making your kids go to a school you could use for your own virtue signaling needs.

DP. It's one public school system, operating at the county level. Should it be failing to provide reasonably equivalent services to the individuals it is charged by the state to serve? Or should we do away with the concept of equal protection?

As a W school parent, I wish things were equal. Then our schools would get a lot more money. Currently MCPS spends millions more in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. Pretending that east county is somehow being short-changed is simply lying.

You really don’t know the disparities? Be real. Your schools have robust course offerings, science labs, lots of stem, hand on equipment, nice uniforms, instruments, sounds systems, etc. we have things that are from the 70 or 80s at best with no hope of replacement. My kids have never had a science lab, just a teacher lecturing and worksheets, falling apart art and music equipment, etc. Just compare the actual course catalog.

I know that MCPS spends millions more per year in schools populated by poorer families than wealthier families. And what you described is exactly what my kids' experienced in HS. If we actually got an equal share of the budget, things could be fantastic. But MCPS is equity-obsessed so things are quite bad. As for courses, the offerings in each school reflect the ability of the students in those schools. It would be a waste of resources to offer advanced classes in schools without enough students to populate them.

It’s this exactly. And I have personal experience with it-my HS in another state was an awful very low performance school. I signed up for AP History for 12th grade and they cancelled that and nearly all the other AP classes that year because no class had more than 3 people sign up-3! They are not offering a large array of advanced and AP classes at every school because there isn’t enough interest.

Are you sure there is no interest? Our school actively discourages kids from taking AP classes outside of history (which has the strongest teachers in terms of how they teach). They push students into slowing down math and is very critical and will shut down discussions of taking things like Calc BC. They claim there is no interest in other AP's even though parents are vocal at PTA meetings about it. Our AP will not even talk to parents whose kids are in AP classes needing help and the answer is drop out of AP classes (even if you are reaching out for something not related) - it was really bizzare. They refuse to engage on schedules if kids are in AP classes (both my kids and I have reached out about next years course offerings and zero responses). And, of course there is no accountability of making staff anwser emails or work with students or their families.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Reading all posts conclude that Wootton HS is not in a bad shape as they claim for to the public. They don't want new Crown HS, and that means they better not to complain further to the public that MCPS do not hear them or ignore them. Gaithersburg probably do not mind getting a new Crown HS no matter if Wootton is moving there or not. It is just that the public resource "Crown HS" could be more better used effectively, efficiently and timely in option H.

I think you posted like at least dozens of times of the same comments. Seriously Wootton in a bad shape is not equivalent to accepting closing the school and merge to a new school.

PP gets it. They just want to see a W school destroyed.

You over value your w schools. Most of us don’t care. Some of us choose not to put our kids in those environments as we came from them and know the culture isn’t healthy.

What I do care about is the lack of equity in terms of course offerings, facilities and stuff. Our kids shouldn’t have to go without science labs, sports equipment and uniforms, music and theater, photography and other things while your kids have access to it.

So, while our kids go without and are in equally bad facilities you want to shift more funding to your schools vs allow all kids safe environments and have access to what they need.

We could comfortably pay cash for a new home to go to a W school but it’s the culture and attitudes that keeps us where we are at.

This is a work of fiction. Nobody who could provide better for their kids would choose not to. Give me a break.

Define better? You need to look at the full picture and not just your ego. I very purposefully picked where we lived as I grew up in a w school and it’s not what we wanted. Except for the lack of offerings, my kids are happy at their schools and the schools are much more down to earth. And less competition for college.

Not getting shanked or shot in the school bathroom.

You're welcome.

You do know violent things happen at every school, including w schools, right?

Sure, sure.

Google is your friend but Wootton had a terrible rape a few years ago that was covered up. No way I'd be ok with my kids going to Wootton via safety reasons (and parents).

Yes, google is your friend. why don’t you look up how many sexual assaults that are actually documented are happening at the lower performing schools. And those are the ones that are actually reported. The fact that you think Wootton is less safe than a school like GHS is actually comical.