NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:Primary voters do not nominate party candidates, delegates do. This is a DNC issue not a legal one.

Something like 99% of the delegates are bound by DNC rules to vote for Joe Biden in first round of voting at the Convention. So it’s already Joe Biden’s nomination. The delegates are not free to vote their own choice.

This is why they are trying to publicly pressure him to step down.

Democrats need to get off social media. This is completely an astroturfed pressure campaign. Lots of phony enthusiasm for “replace Joe” by bot accounts.

So what is the end game for Biden staying in? He *hopefully* wins because people so dislike Trump, then if he has to step down after the election, Harris becomes President? It’s clear that he won’t be healthy enough for the next 4 years.

I think that was always the plan. All the polling has been very clear for years. Americans do not want an 86 year old President named Joe Biden. And yet the DNC went all in with Biden regardless of all the red flags. So presumably, the DNC assumed Trump would be an easy win for them. Biden gets in, resigns, Harris becomes President, and it's sunshine and rainbows for the next 8 years.

Now here we are. Democrats looking at catastrophic losses in November. The DNC seems to have forgotten that people don't vote for the VP. They vote for President. And after the debate, it became clear that the presumed Democratic nominee and current President is a feeble geriatric with dementia. There is no possibility of Biden winning now. And the panic has set in.

The original sin was Joe Biden deciding to run for a second term. Everything derives from that utterly reckless decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or is this thread full of bot comments trying to keep Biden in the race? I was at a neighborhood block party last night in a blue state and everyone there wanted Biden gone. In fact, people were excited to discuss all of our great options—Whitmer, Harris, Shapiro, etc.

Well your neighborhood block party in DC or it’s suburbs is certainly representative of the entire Democratic Party.

You would think that average voters the middle of America have even less support for Biden than people in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or is this thread full of bot comments trying to keep Biden in the race? I was at a neighborhood block party last night in a blue state and everyone there wanted Biden gone. In fact, people were excited to discuss all of our great options—Whitmer, Harris, Shapiro, etc.

Well your neighborhood block party in DC or it’s suburbs is certainly representative of the entire Democratic Party.

The PP said the party was "in a blue state," not in DC or necessarily in its suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

And the DNC lawyers had no answers for her as to the legal risk! Insane to even publicly discuss replacing the candidate before identifying the risks and benefits of such a strategy.

They know the answers. They just don't want to share how it will be done.

Lawyer here. No, they don't know the answers. This is uncharted territory.

Rules can be changed and they have a sense as to what those options are.

The only sense I get is that it’s all rigged for Trump. I mean how else can a convicted criminal be on the ballot?

Because everyone understands that his conviction was a scam.

Giant eyeroll at you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or is this thread full of bot comments trying to keep Biden in the race? I was at a neighborhood block party last night in a blue state and everyone there wanted Biden gone. In fact, people were excited to discuss all of our great options—Whitmer, Harris, Shapiro, etc.

Yes, it is.

It’s a fox thing. My parent that is normally enraged by a mention of Biden was last night muttering about democrats stabbing him in the back. I actually laughed at the shock of it.

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So I just got off the phone with Quinnipiac. The Democratic alternative candidates they’re polling are Harris, Kelly, Polis, Newsom, Shapiro, Whitmer, Pritzker, Beshear and Buttigieg.

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If Biden stays in the race and by some twist of fate wins in November, he will be the first sitting president to have the 25th amendment invoked when he’s still conscious. Then Kamala will be impeached for covering up his cognitive decline. It will be a mess. The party elders know Biden needs to step down at this point, that’s why they’re pressuring him to do so. They were very late to the party, as most of us thought it was a terrible idea for him to run for reelection in the first place, but better late than never. Democratic politicians still backing Biden are either delulu or intentionally being dishonest, and polling shows voters feel misled by them and will hold it against them at the polls.

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Anonymous wrote:So I just got off the phone with Quinnipiac. The Democratic alternative candidates they’re polling are Harris, Kelly, Polis, Newsom, Shapiro, Whitmer, Pritzker, Beshear and Buttigieg.

lol that reads like a clown car at the circus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

And the DNC lawyers had no answers for her as to the legal risk! Insane to even publicly discuss replacing the candidate before identifying the risks and benefits of such a strategy.

They know the answers. They just don't want to share how it will be done.

Lawyer here. No, they don't know the answers. This is uncharted territory.

Rules can be changed and they have a sense as to what those options are.

The only sense I get is that it’s all rigged for Trump. I mean how else can a convicted criminal be on the ballot?

With an open primary utilizing the democratic process. Trump won the republican ticket, that is how.

I understand because your being a democrat this is foreign to you.

um, no. Trump should have never been allowed to run. He committed an insurrection. Immediate disqualification. Amazing how many folks forgot or deny it ever happened in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Primary voters do not nominate party candidates, delegates do. This is a DNC issue not a legal one.

Something like 99% of the delegates are bound by DNC rules to vote for Joe Biden in first round of voting at the Convention. So it’s already Joe Biden’s nomination. The delegates are not free to vote their own choice.

This is why they are trying to publicly pressure him to step down.

Democrats need to get off social media. This is completely an astroturfed pressure campaign. Lots of phony enthusiasm for “replace Joe” by bot accounts.

So what is the end game for Biden staying in? He *hopefully* wins because people so dislike Trump, then if he has to step down after the election, Harris becomes President? It’s clear that he won’t be healthy enough for the next 4 years.

I think that was always the plan. All the polling has been very clear for years. Americans do not want an 86 year old President named Joe Biden. And yet the DNC went all in with Biden regardless of all the red flags. So presumably, the DNC assumed Trump would be an easy win for them. Biden gets in, resigns, Harris becomes President, and it's sunshine and rainbows for the next 8 years.

Now here we are. Democrats looking at catastrophic losses in November. The DNC seems to have forgotten that people don't vote for the VP. They vote for President. And after the debate, it became clear that the presumed Democratic nominee and current President is a feeble geriatric with dementia. There is no possibility of Biden winning now. And the panic has set in.

The original sin was Joe Biden deciding to run for a second term. Everything derives from that utterly reckless decision.

I still don’t believe there will be catastrophic losses. Look at who is on the R ticket, 2 extreme candidates. Extremely unappealing to a large swath of the electorate. Plus the Rs are so overconfident they will win, as I am sure their supporters are. How many of those folks will come out to vote?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

And the DNC lawyers had no answers for her as to the legal risk! Insane to even publicly discuss replacing the candidate before identifying the risks and benefits of such a strategy.

They know the answers. They just don't want to share how it will be done.

Lawyer here. No, they don't know the answers. This is uncharted territory.

Rules can be changed and they have a sense as to what those options are.

The only sense I get is that it’s all rigged for Trump. I mean how else can a convicted criminal be on the ballot?

With an open primary utilizing the democratic process. Trump won the republican ticket, that is how.

I understand because your being a democrat this is foreign to you.

um, no. Trump should have never been allowed to run. He committed an insurrection. Immediate disqualification. Amazing how many folks forgot or deny it ever happened in the first place.

The Fourteenth Amendment only applies to other people. Not Trump...

SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Primary voters do not nominate party candidates, delegates do. This is a DNC issue not a legal one.

Something like 99% of the delegates are bound by DNC rules to vote for Joe Biden in first round of voting at the Convention. So it’s already Joe Biden’s nomination. The delegates are not free to vote their own choice.

This is why they are trying to publicly pressure him to step down.

Democrats need to get off social media. This is completely an astroturfed pressure campaign. Lots of phony enthusiasm for “replace Joe” by bot accounts.

So what is the end game for Biden staying in? He *hopefully* wins because people so dislike Trump, then if he has to step down after the election, Harris becomes President? It’s clear that he won’t be healthy enough for the next 4 years.

I think that was always the plan. All the polling has been very clear for years. Americans do not want an 86 year old President named Joe Biden. And yet the DNC went all in with Biden regardless of all the red flags. So presumably, the DNC assumed Trump would be an easy win for them. Biden gets in, resigns, Harris becomes President, and it's sunshine and rainbows for the next 8 years.

Now here we are. Democrats looking at catastrophic losses in November. The DNC seems to have forgotten that people don't vote for the VP. They vote for President. And after the debate, it became clear that the presumed Democratic nominee and current President is a feeble geriatric with dementia. There is no possibility of Biden winning now. And the panic has set in.

The original sin was Joe Biden deciding to run for a second term. Everything derives from that utterly reckless decision.

The original sin was selecting a VP who is incapable of taking the reins of the nation should the president become incapacitated, which was more probable than usual due to this president's age. Maybe next time put a little more thought into that choice so you wouldn't be in this mess. And if she is capable, explain why I hear so much about alternative candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Biden stays in the race and by some twist of fate wins in November, he will be the first sitting president to have the 25th amendment invoked when he’s still conscious. Then Kamala will be impeached for covering up his cognitive decline. It will be a mess. The party elders know Biden needs to step down at this point, that’s why they’re pressuring him to do so. They were very late to the party, as most of us thought it was a terrible idea for him to run for reelection in the first place, but better late than never. Democratic politicians still backing Biden are either delulu or intentionally being dishonest, and polling shows voters feel misled by them and will hold it against them at the polls.

They don’t have the guts or the votes to pull the 25A now. No way in hell they will do it after he wins the election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Primary voters do not nominate party candidates, delegates do. This is a DNC issue not a legal one.

Something like 99% of the delegates are bound by DNC rules to vote for Joe Biden in first round of voting at the Convention. So it’s already Joe Biden’s nomination. The delegates are not free to vote their own choice.

This is why they are trying to publicly pressure him to step down.

Democrats need to get off social media. This is completely an astroturfed pressure campaign. Lots of phony enthusiasm for “replace Joe” by bot accounts.

So what is the end game for Biden staying in? He *hopefully* wins because people so dislike Trump, then if he has to step down after the election, Harris becomes President? It’s clear that he won’t be healthy enough for the next 4 years.

I think that was always the plan. All the polling has been very clear for years. Americans do not want an 86 year old President named Joe Biden. And yet the DNC went all in with Biden regardless of all the red flags. So presumably, the DNC assumed Trump would be an easy win for them. Biden gets in, resigns, Harris becomes President, and it's sunshine and rainbows for the next 8 years.

Now here we are. Democrats looking at catastrophic losses in November. The DNC seems to have forgotten that people don't vote for the VP. They vote for President. And after the debate, it became clear that the presumed Democratic nominee and current President is a feeble geriatric with dementia. There is no possibility of Biden winning now. And the panic has set in.

The original sin was Joe Biden deciding to run for a second term. Everything derives from that utterly reckless decision.

The original sin was selecting a VP who is incapable of taking the reins of the nation should the president become incapacitated, which was more probable than usual due to this president's age. Maybe next time put a little more thought into that choice so you wouldn't be in this mess. And if she is capable, explain why I hear so much about alternative candidates.

Harris is fine to do the job. But the donors don’t want her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

The part about the legal challenges is especially worrisome.

And the DNC lawyers had no answers for her as to the legal risk! Insane to even publicly discuss replacing the candidate before identifying the risks and benefits of such a strategy.

They know the answers. They just don't want to share how it will be done.

Lawyer here. No, they don't know the answers. This is uncharted territory.

Rules can be changed and they have a sense as to what those options are.

The only sense I get is that it’s all rigged for Trump. I mean how else can a convicted criminal be on the ballot?

With an open primary utilizing the democratic process. Trump won the republican ticket, that is how.

I understand because your being a democrat this is foreign to you.

um, no. Trump should have never been allowed to run. He committed an insurrection. Immediate disqualification. Amazing how many folks forgot or deny it ever happened in the first place.

The Fourteenth Amendment only applies to other people. Not Trump...

SMH

This should be a headline in every major newspaper every day. Trump should have been disqualified from running. Unfit for office.