The state of MCPS is atrocious

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Please show me where MCPS acknowledges their failures. Seriously. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you….

Im the PP who left prior to pandemic but culture is the hardest to change in any large org. They likely have leaders from current regime who got there by the mantra ‘we are great’ and likely have doctored data to keep showing this as the org death spiraled.

Not completely MCPS’ fault.

Show me a place with robust economic engine - and I’ll show you a solid public school system. Moco as we know ain’t that place anymore, sadly. It hates business- yet they are the only group to insist upon excellence since they evaluate your 12th graders who aren’t headed for higher Ed.

This. We don't have a robust economy - in part because of the decline of the schools. Big business doesn't want to come here. The condos on top and retail on the bottom doesn't even pay enough for those working in the retail on the bottom to live on the top. Big business goes where their employees can easily get to work and their children go to good schools. We have problems in both areas

Schools have nothing to do with the economy. The issue with the economy is the MoCo business structure with heavy taxes and fees and land/building costs are insane. And, we don't have enough land of some of these companies to go. And, people. Walmart, for example wanted to come to Aspen Hill and we had the crazies who don't even live in that area protesting it year ago. It would have greatly benefitted the community given there is a lot of lower income housing and apartments.

Yes, land is expensive when demand exceeds supply. That's how the market works.

You're reaching back almost 10 years for that Wal-mart - keeping in mind that (1) they could have chosen a location that didn't require rezoning, but insisted on a location that did require rezoning (2) at least at the time, Wal-mart wages were so low that Wal-mart workers required public subsidies to keep their families afloat (3) Wal-mart has been closing stores (4) 2013 is the good old days for MCPS, according to the MCPS IS IMPLODING posters on this thread.

Yes, I still want that Walmart. There aren't that many large properties that they could have gone to. Walmart isn't closing local stores. And, that site would have also been good for a high school.

Walmart just closed a store in DC. That's not local?

The size is 10 acres. There were - and still are - a lot of neighborhood shopping centers that size, already zoned for retail. But it's too small for a high school. For comparison, BCC is 16 acres, and Bethesda ES is 8 acres.

This area would greatly benefit from a Walmart. The DC Walmarts are very small and not as nice.

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Oversight is supposed to come from the Board of Education, who's supposed to be critical and hold the superintendent accountable, but instead, rubber stamps everything and pushes back against very little, and from the County Council, which allocates the funding and appropriation to MCPS.

I think the council is trying to fix MCPS, but MoCo constituents need to keep the pressure on the council members if we want to see lasting change.

Let me tell you something, you right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers, 82% of real MoCo constituents are happy with MCPS.

Care to site your source?

And why do you classify someone who cares about problems in MCPS as “ right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers”?

Why are you compelled to defend MCPS with made up data and name calling? Do you work for MCPS or just a troll?

That's what the super progressive left here in MoCo call EVERYONE who disagrees with them on ANYTHING. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad (and damaging).

Generally, anyone who refers to "the super progressive left here in MoCo" actually is a right winger and/or Fox news watcher.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm an Establishment Liberal who works with all our politicians and their staff, many of whom identify as Democratic Socialists. I hear what they say about people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Please show me where MCPS acknowledges their failures. Seriously. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you….

Im the PP who left prior to pandemic but culture is the hardest to change in any large org. They likely have leaders from current regime who got there by the mantra ‘we are great’ and likely have doctored data to keep showing this as the org death spiraled.

Not completely MCPS’ fault.

Show me a place with robust economic engine - and I’ll show you a solid public school system. Moco as we know ain’t that place anymore, sadly. It hates business- yet they are the only group to insist upon excellence since they evaluate your 12th graders who aren’t headed for higher Ed.

Please show me where they don’t. Have you been to or seen a recent BOE meeting? One of the things I can actually applaud the Superintendent for is moving the district to be data focused. You say MCPS like it’s not an entity made of thousands of people that work there. I’ve not talked to anyone who apart of the system(teachers, principal, CO admin, parent, or student) who thinks everything is perfect. Are there likely people in the system who are against change? Yes, that’s true in any organization, but it doesn’t mean no change is occurring

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Oversight is supposed to come from the Board of Education, who's supposed to be critical and hold the superintendent accountable, but instead, rubber stamps everything and pushes back against very little, and from the County Council, which allocates the funding and appropriation to MCPS.

I think the council is trying to fix MCPS, but MoCo constituents need to keep the pressure on the council members if we want to see lasting change.

Let me tell you something, you right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers, 82% of real MoCo constituents are happy with MCPS.

Care to site your source?

And why do you classify someone who cares about problems in MCPS as “ right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers”?

Why are you compelled to defend MCPS with made up data and name calling? Do you work for MCPS or just a troll?

That's what the super progressive left here in MoCo call EVERYONE who disagrees with them on ANYTHING. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad (and damaging).

Generally, anyone who refers to "the super progressive left here in MoCo" actually is a right winger and/or Fox news watcher.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm an Establishment Liberal who works with all our politicians and their staff, many of whom identify as Democratic Socialists. I hear what they say about people.

You've got to follow up a teaser like this! Like what are who saying about who?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Oversight is supposed to come from the Board of Education, who's supposed to be critical and hold the superintendent accountable, but instead, rubber stamps everything and pushes back against very little, and from the County Council, which allocates the funding and appropriation to MCPS.

I think the council is trying to fix MCPS, but MoCo constituents need to keep the pressure on the council members if we want to see lasting change.

Let me tell you something, you right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers, 82% of real MoCo constituents are happy with MCPS.

Care to site your source?

And why do you classify someone who cares about problems in MCPS as “ right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers”?

Why are you compelled to defend MCPS with made up data and name calling? Do you work for MCPS or just a troll?

That's what the super progressive left here in MoCo call EVERYONE who disagrees with them on ANYTHING. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad (and damaging).

Generally, anyone who refers to "the super progressive left here in MoCo" actually is a right winger and/or Fox news watcher.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm an Establishment Liberal who works with all our politicians and their staff, many of whom identify as Democratic Socialists. I hear what they say about people.

You've got to follow up a teaser like this! Like what are who saying about who?

I'm putting that PP's post in the category of "things that didn't happen."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Oversight is supposed to come from the Board of Education, who's supposed to be critical and hold the superintendent accountable, but instead, rubber stamps everything and pushes back against very little, and from the County Council, which allocates the funding and appropriation to MCPS.

I think the council is trying to fix MCPS, but MoCo constituents need to keep the pressure on the council members if we want to see lasting change.

Let me tell you something, you right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers, 82% of real MoCo constituents are happy with MCPS.

Care to site your source?

And why do you classify someone who cares about problems in MCPS as “ right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers”?

Why are you compelled to defend MCPS with made up data and name calling? Do you work for MCPS or just a troll?

The 82% figure is from a 2019 survey that only had a 17% response rate. So it’s not exactly relevant when it comes to current levels of satisfaction with MCPS.

DP. Do you have any public-opinion data that are more recent or more comprehensive?

2021 community survey on lots of topics.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OPI/Resources/Files/2022/2021-NCS-Report.pdf#page=32

I don’t see any questions specifically about MCPS.

You didn't look carefully.
pg 32 K-12 education is 81% good or excellent. p 41 has more detailed breakout.

[Anonymous]

Remember the votes of no confidence that Dr. McKnight received from teachers and school administrators? I guess their opinions weren’t part of the one survey that PP is selectively quoting as proof.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Oversight is supposed to come from the Board of Education, who's supposed to be critical and hold the superintendent accountable, but instead, rubber stamps everything and pushes back against very little, and from the County Council, which allocates the funding and appropriation to MCPS.

I think the council is trying to fix MCPS, but MoCo constituents need to keep the pressure on the council members if we want to see lasting change.

Let me tell you something, you right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers, 82% of real MoCo constituents are happy with MCPS.

Care to site your source?

And why do you classify someone who cares about problems in MCPS as “ right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers”?

Why are you compelled to defend MCPS with made up data and name calling? Do you work for MCPS or just a troll?

The 82% figure is from a 2019 survey that only had a 17% response rate. So it’s not exactly relevant when it comes to current levels of satisfaction with MCPS.

DP. Do you have any public-opinion data that are more recent or more comprehensive?

2021 community survey on lots of topics.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OPI/Resources/Files/2022/2021-NCS-Report.pdf#page=32

I don’t see any questions specifically about MCPS.

You didn't look carefully.
pg 32 K-12 education is 81% good or excellent. p 41 has more detailed breakout.

Why are test scores way down if things are so good?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Oversight is supposed to come from the Board of Education, who's supposed to be critical and hold the superintendent accountable, but instead, rubber stamps everything and pushes back against very little, and from the County Council, which allocates the funding and appropriation to MCPS.

I think the council is trying to fix MCPS, but MoCo constituents need to keep the pressure on the council members if we want to see lasting change.

Let me tell you something, you right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers, 82% of real MoCo constituents are happy with MCPS.

Care to site your source?

And why do you classify someone who cares about problems in MCPS as “ right wingers, private school parents and Fox news watchers”?

Why are you compelled to defend MCPS with made up data and name calling? Do you work for MCPS or just a troll?

The 82% figure is from a 2019 survey that only had a 17% response rate. So it’s not exactly relevant when it comes to current levels of satisfaction with MCPS.

DP. Do you have any public-opinion data that are more recent or more comprehensive?

2021 community survey on lots of topics.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OPI/Resources/Files/2022/2021-NCS-Report.pdf#page=32

I don’t see any questions specifically about MCPS.

You didn't look carefully.
pg 32 K-12 education is 81% good or excellent. p 41 has more detailed breakout.

Why are test scores way down if things are so good?

That 81% is misleading. Only 25% of respondents said MCPS is excellent. 48% said good and 19% said fair.

[Anonymous]

Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Wait — I thought MCPS’s math instruction is way superior to that of private schools in the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

That’s a requirement. Once again, I think the contention is that they’re nothing to fix it.