The state of MCPS is atrocious

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

That’s a requirement. Once again, I think the contention is that they’re nothing to fix it.

Requirement or no requirement, they are not "glossing over" it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Please show me where MCPS acknowledges their failures. Seriously. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you….

Im the PP who left prior to pandemic but culture is the hardest to change in any large org. They likely have leaders from current regime who got there by the mantra ‘we are great’ and likely have doctored data to keep showing this as the org death spiraled.

Not completely MCPS’ fault.

Show me a place with robust economic engine - and I’ll show you a solid public school system. Moco as we know ain’t that place anymore, sadly. It hates business- yet they are the only group to insist upon excellence since they evaluate your 12th graders who aren’t headed for higher Ed.

Please show me where they don’t. Have you been to or seen a recent BOE meeting? One of the things I can actually applaud the Superintendent for is moving the district to be data focused. You say MCPS like it’s not an entity made of thousands of people that work there. I’ve not talked to anyone who apart of the system(teachers, principal, CO admin, parent, or student) who thinks everything is perfect. Are there likely people in the system who are against change? Yes, that’s true in any organization, but it doesn’t mean no change is occurring

Again, got a link to anything in writing where they list faults? I don’t think you will find it. Bridge in Brooklyn offer still on table…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

That’s a requirement. Once again, I think the contention is that they’re nothing to fix it.

Requirement or no requirement, they are not "glossing over" it.

Yes they are, because they’re not addressing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

That’s a requirement. Once again, I think the contention is that they’re nothing to fix it.

Requirement or no requirement, they are not "glossing over" it.

Yes they are, because they’re not addressing it.

They are addressing it. Just not how you want them to. Maybe you should run for school board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Please show me where MCPS acknowledges their failures. Seriously. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you….

Im the PP who left prior to pandemic but culture is the hardest to change in any large org. They likely have leaders from current regime who got there by the mantra ‘we are great’ and likely have doctored data to keep showing this as the org death spiraled.

Not completely MCPS’ fault.

Show me a place with robust economic engine - and I’ll show you a solid public school system. Moco as we know ain’t that place anymore, sadly. It hates business- yet they are the only group to insist upon excellence since they evaluate your 12th graders who aren’t headed for higher Ed.

Please show me where they don’t. Have you been to or seen a recent BOE meeting? One of the things I can actually applaud the Superintendent for is moving the district to be data focused. You say MCPS like it’s not an entity made of thousands of people that work there. I’ve not talked to anyone who apart of the system(teachers, principal, CO admin, parent, or student) who thinks everything is perfect. Are there likely people in the system who are against change? Yes, that’s true in any organization, but it doesn’t mean no change is occurring

Again, got a link to anything in writing where they list faults? I don’t think you will find it. Bridge in Brooklyn offer still on table…

Aren't you the poster who moved away from Montgomery County over 3 years ago?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

That’s a requirement. Once again, I think the contention is that they’re nothing to fix it.

Requirement or no requirement, they are not "glossing over" it.

Yes they are, because they’re not addressing it.

They are addressing it. Just not how you want them to. Maybe you should run for school board.

How exactly are they addressing it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Total corruption. Teachers get canned for reporting true data on non inflated grades, behavior, crime etc and admin get promoted for covering up, inflating grades, and showing rosey optics. Good luck finding teachers after you abused and fired the few left in the industry.

Agreed.

How do you fix such a huge, corrupt school system? With zero oversight. It’s very difficult.

Please show me where MCPS acknowledges their failures. Seriously. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you….

Im the PP who left prior to pandemic but culture is the hardest to change in any large org. They likely have leaders from current regime who got there by the mantra ‘we are great’ and likely have doctored data to keep showing this as the org death spiraled.

Not completely MCPS’ fault.

Show me a place with robust economic engine - and I’ll show you a solid public school system. Moco as we know ain’t that place anymore, sadly. It hates business- yet they are the only group to insist upon excellence since they evaluate your 12th graders who aren’t headed for higher Ed.

This. We don't have a robust economy - in part because of the decline of the schools. Big business doesn't want to come here. The condos on top and retail on the bottom doesn't even pay enough for those working in the retail on the bottom to live on the top. Big business goes where their employees can easily get to work and their children go to good schools. We have problems in both areas

Schools have nothing to do with the economy. The issue with the economy is the MoCo business structure with heavy taxes and fees and land/building costs are insane. And, we don't have enough land of some of these companies to go. And, people. Walmart, for example wanted to come to Aspen Hill and we had the crazies who don't even live in that area protesting it year ago. It would have greatly benefitted the community given there is a lot of lower income housing and apartments.

You're wrong. Ask any fortune 500 company why they locate where they do. Top reasons include ease to get people to work and good schools for their educated employers to send their children too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

+1 It goes to the topic of this thread - MCPS is atrocious.

One should consider why math performance is so low. I’m surprised MCPS hasn’t done this to develop a cohesive action plan.

In Spring 2020, MCPS didn’t teach a quarter of the math curriculum because of online learning. For FY 2021, students received one less instruction day per week because of online learning.

Math is a cumulative subject. There are building blocks of skills students need to master but what chance do students have when whole sets of skills were not taught before passing students to the next level?

There’s also the 50% policy that gives students a minimum grade of 50%. This hides work never completed and inflates grades of students.

For my own child in math, his school was giving 100% for quizzes completed so I thought he was doing great till the unit grades were posted several weeks later. There was no warning that he was at risk of failing till the teacher uploaded unit tests to the online portal. Once he fell behind, there were no school resources to help him. We had to hire a math tutor so he could fill in gaps and learn the curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

Why is MCPS covering up this issue that I learned about from media coverage of their presentation to the school board at a public meeting?!?!?!11!!!!

That’s a requirement. Once again, I think the contention is that they’re nothing to fix it.

Requirement or no requirement, they are not "glossing over" it.

Yes they are, because they’re not addressing it.

They are addressing it. Just not how you want them to. Maybe you should run for school board.

How exactly are they addressing it?

+1 Why didn’t Dr. McKnight focus on a plan during her interim tenure to address the lack of math instruction that has created the decline in math performance? Math units cannot simply be skipped over without creating gaps. This problem is going to be harder to fix the more years MCPS keeps ignoring it. Thus far, Dr. McKnight has not offered up a cohesive solution for addressing this specific problem with math in MCPS.

What is needed is testing of all students to seek where their unique gaps are. Also, we need more teachers with smaller class sizes to adequately meet each child’s needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Old news. This was the MCAP, a badly designed test which most don't care about.
As you can see, No school district shows proficiency not just MCPS. Highest was 38%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Oh yes, the well-known "glossing-over" strategy of OFFICIALLY PRESENTING THE DATA TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING.

I think PP means they’re not doing anything to address it. They’re required to present test data.

+1 It goes to the topic of this thread - MCPS is atrocious.

One should consider why math performance is so low. I’m surprised MCPS hasn’t done this to develop a cohesive action plan.

In Spring 2020, MCPS didn’t teach a quarter of the math curriculum because of online learning. For FY 2021, students received one less instruction day per week because of online learning.

Math is a cumulative subject. There are building blocks of skills students need to master but what chance do students have when whole sets of skills were not taught before passing students to the next level?

There’s also the 50% policy that gives students a minimum grade of 50%. This hides work never completed and inflates grades of students.

For my own child in math, his school was giving 100% for quizzes completed so I thought he was doing great till the unit grades were posted several weeks later. There was no warning that he was at risk of failing till the teacher uploaded unit tests to the online portal. Once he fell behind, there were no school resources to help him. We had to hire a math tutor so he could fill in gaps and learn the curriculum.

The online school was not why, they why was how it was implemented and the lack of class time and class work. Current virtual is very different. Virtual is not to blame. Curriculum, teaching style and lack of reinforcement are. But, parents wanted the dumbed down way, got it and it’s not working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Old news. This was the MCAP, a badly designed test which most don't care about.
As you can see, No school district shows proficiency not just MCPS. Highest was 38%.

Excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Old news. This was the MCAP, a badly designed test which most don't care about.
As you can see, No school district shows proficiency not just MCPS. Highest was 38%.

Excuses.

What's the excuses? No one shows proficiency in that test, therefore something is definitely wrong with it. This has been discussed at length here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Old news. This was the MCAP, a badly designed test which most don't care about.
As you can see, No school district shows proficiency not just MCPS. Highest was 38%.

Excuses.

What's the excuses? No one shows proficiency in that test, therefore something is definitely wrong with it. This has been discussed at length here.

So then there should be ample other evidence that kids are actually doing well in math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a specific data source that shows a huge problem MCPS glosses over.

https://moco360.media/2023/01/25/only-31-of-montgomery-county-students-grades-3-8-proficient-in-math-data-shows/

Only 31% of MCPS students grades 3-8 are proficient in math.

A follow up survey is needed: For those who tested proficient, how many received private tutoring? I’m sure the numbers would have been worse if some families hadn’t paid for private tutoring.

Old news. This was the MCAP, a badly designed test which most don't care about.
As you can see, No school district shows proficiency not just MCPS. Highest was 38%.

Excuses.

What's the excuses? No one shows proficiency in that test, therefore something is definitely wrong with it. This has been discussed at length here.

So then there should be ample other evidence that kids are actually doing well in math.

Why don't they bring back nationally normed tests? I remember taking the Iowa assessments in 3-5th grade. We received a score report by the end of the year in the mail showing how we scored against a national sample of students our age. My DS took these assessments in Catholic school too. He also took the Cogat and the HSPT. They all gave nationally normed scores.