Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
You can f right off with that “logic.” The solution isn’t more guns. There were many police officers with guns there. If the trained good guys with guns can’t handle it, why would untrained good guys with guns handle it. Also, people in Texas don’t trust teachers to choose books, why would they trust them with guns? Yeah sometimes it works for a random good guy to have a gun. A broken clock is right twice a day. The more guns solution doesn’t even consider the accidental shootings that come from having more guns. |
uh-huh
Anonymous
There are some reports that make no sense. It’s been reported that the resource officer arrived at the school after the shooting outside and thought it was a teacher shooting. Why would he think that? There are reports that for a while, it was thought that the gunman was barricaded in an empty classroom. Why did anyone think that? Over and over kids told 911 where the gunman was. It was clear they were in the room with him. Where did 911 dispatchers send this information? Who knew what? If you’ve got victims updating 911 dispatchers, why weren’t the officers at the scene given orders on how to proceed? None of it makes any sense. We need an investigation into who had what information at what time and who told officers to stand down and why — and this needs to be investigated by outsiders. Every police department in America needs to learn what went wrong here and how to prevent the same thing from happening again. |
Anonymous
| Guns don't protect us. People protect us |
Anonymous
Bizarre and stupid snark. Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports. |
Anonymous
| DOJ will investigate the response. Good. That’s exactly what should happen when a dumb state can’t get it’s act together. |
Anonymous
+ 1 |
Anonymous
Competent security on site would have checked the doors and secured the building. |
Anonymous
| Texas is falling apart before our eyes. |
Anonymous
Okay but if the cops with the guns wont protect us, we need people with guns to protect us. All the LEOs in this situation that acted responsibly were off duty and mostly using borrowed guns. |
Anonymous
Hmmm... or maybe Congress can re-institute the Assault Weapons Ban which, during its 10-year existence, reduced both the frequency and scale of mass shootings. Why? Because you couldn't just walk into a gun store (as both the school shooter and Buffalo shooter recently did) and buy semi-automatic assault rifles. It was illegal to sell them. Check it out: Fewer assault rifles in circulation meant fewer mass shootings. Amazing! Who knew?!? Then again... maybe we should just follow the Republican stance and just leave things as they are... and wait for tomorrow's/next week's/next month's mass shooting(s). One thing's for sure, it won't be long. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
I mean, I think I know what you're saying, but I'm confused. Are y'all suggesting Pence was worried for his safety with certain SS agents? That sounds far out, but I don't know the facts here ... ? |
Anonymous
|
Informative thread regarding where the gunman was, why they didn't break the door down, etc:
[twitter] https://twitter.com/SgtTim911/status/1530931951955333120[/twitter] |
Anonymous
|
Here is a good explanation of what went down from Tim Sumner:
"The steel doors designed to keep killers out were used by the shooter to keep police out. w/o a key to open them, police would've had to use infantry techniques (explosives) to breech the outer walls. The kids and teachers were not the enemy. Blowing holes in walls, police indiscriminately spraying the room with bullets, or engaging a full body armored shooter using kids as human shields were NOT good options. (Imagine THAT forensic pathology report it would have generated, proof police killed X number of the innocent during entry). police entered Robb Elementary hallway (inverted T-shaped) 2-3 minutes after the shooter. The shooter had locked the doors and was slaughtering. From doorway, shooter sprayed police (who lacked cover) with bullets, wounding 2. Shooter wore full body armor. Police best option was to fall back to 2 corners feet away from CRs 111 and 112 doors and get backup. They needed keys or tools to open those doors. The police could not yet know who was alive, wounded, or dead in those CRs. Police needed level 4 shields to survive long enough upon entry to take down shooter for they did not know where within the 2 adjoining classrooms he would be when they entered. 9-1-1 calls were coming in. However, the police still lacked entry tools. Small kids playing dead, disoriented, crying for help provided little useful information (NOT at all the kids' fault). Sporadic fire from inside 2 adjoining CRs only momentarily provided police a fix on shooter, and he'd shot at police trying to peek through small windows on doors. Again, police could not place effective fire on moving shooter. He was barricaded in, could move within and between 2 CRs, and there were still living innocents inside. Were the police supposed to crashed through the outer windows, spray those 2 classrooms with bullets, and return fire once the shooter showed himself? That might be the right way during war but saving lives (not accepting "collateral damage") is what police are trained to do. So, the police waited for an entry team (drove 70 miles in 40 minutes), located a master key, listened, watched, and planned the entry of two doors. Meanwhile, "spotters"peering through the outer windows tried to get a fix on the shooter's location inside and relay to the entry team(s). If he was below the outer window, they would not have seen him. THIS IS IMPORTANT: Police told a Congressman afterwards the shooter emerged from a closet and and fired at them once entry was made. Upon entry, at least 1 police officer was wounded from the shooter's bullets passing above, below, outside those shields. The police had to expose body parts to get a shot. That is NOT cowardice on the part of the police; they wanted to live long enough to eliminate the shooter. The ONLY people responsible for the deaths & wounded innocent kids & teachers ARE the shooter and anyone who helped him commit mass murder. God bless the children, teachers, & police P.S. If shooter positioned inside in the doorway between the 2 classrooms, he would have shielded himself from police viewing & snipers outside the school wing. He could observe police attempting to peak through small windows on doors. Adjoining door likely looked like a closet.Inner doorway between classrooms 111 & 112 was not a flat structure. It was a closet with doors on both sides through which teachers and students and the shooter could pass. Inside it, shooter could observe outer doors, both classrooms, and be shielded from outside window view. Uvalde gunman emerged from classroom closet firing as Border Patrol agents entered, officials say Graphic of layout of classrooms/closet here: https://ibb.co/qysc9pt |
Anonymous
I thought it was confirmed he was not wearing body armor? I find it hard to believe anything coming out of TX at this point. Will wait for DOJ. |