U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts on Friday called for a response from a Virginia school

[Anonymous]

https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.

These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.

Its really easy to say when you are not in their shoes! Just think about it in another way, you are part of a 10 member sales team and 5 of them made the sales quotas, but you produce the most results. But the company doesn't care anything beyond the min quota, picked one at random (or a hypothetical race?) who happened to the least performing of the 5 and gave all the yearly sales commission to that person. Then comes back to you say, you should be fine as you are really good at what you do. .

In this employee's case, there is a chance to win commission again next year, but in case of TJ, you need to understand that this is a really once in a life time opportunity for many of these kids and they hate it to be taken away for stupid political reasons or some kind of weird balancing act at their expense. Don't play games with kids dreams and hard work. If they truly don't deserve it, then its fine. But don't it for some macro level statistics and ignore micro level implications.

No kid is guaranteed admissions or entitled to a seat.

Maybe parents shouldn’t be positing TJ as a “once in a lifetime opportunity”. That’s not healthy for their kids.

I disagree, no one is talking about guarantees here. Some kids do dream of attending TJ as it’s the best school in the county and country. For them it’s an opportunity and their chances of getting in have been significantly reduced. And you are wrong about parents as well. Not every parent thinks TJ is not necessarily good for their kid in the long run especially for college admissions. We are in this boat, my kid has been dreaming of TJ for a while and got really upset with new changes as it now makes it difficult for him to stand out. We on the other hand think it’s not really worth it and trying to convince him it doesn’t matter for him in future as no one asks about high school after college. This doesn’t mean my kid shouldn’t be disappointed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

Just like the anti-Semitic did not wear a label saying anti-Semitic, the anti-Asians don’t wear a label that says Anti-Asian. Action speak louder than words. History will not be forgiving.

[Anonymous]

Getting rid of TJHSST avoids the hair splitting over who’s been discriminated against more. It’s outlived its usefulness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

What is this "wealthy middle school" BS? There are lower middle class kids (Asians) attending Carson and Longfellow, because the parents value education enough that they're willing to rent a small apartment and sacrifice nice vacations, cars, etc. to see their kids in a strong school. There are also upper middle class kids (generally non Asians) attending high FARMS schools. Their families prioritized the bigger house or better commute over being zoned to a top school. Why are kids in the first group being viewed as privileged and discriminated against, while kids in the second group are being given admissions advantages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

Just like the anti-Semitic did not wear a label saying anti-Semitic, the anti-Asians don’t wear a label that says Anti-Asian. Action speak louder than words. History will not be forgiving.

Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

Pompous 'we' is back with his bs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

Pompous 'we' is back with his bs

I haven't looked at any numbers, but the whole premise smells like BS. Fairfax County has a lot of wealthy school zpnes, but not all of them are major TJ feeders. Meanwhile, Northern Virginia does value education as a significant factor of success, so it stands to reason that zones that are successful TJ feeders would become increasingly wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

Exactly the same. And more in Democratic/left leaning states unfortunately. The bias for example in California is unbelievable. Including in college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of TJHSST avoids the hair splitting over who’s been discriminated against more. It’s outlived its usefulness.

? It's the best high school in the country. Why would we get rid of it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

Just like the anti-Semitic did not wear a label saying anti-Semitic, the anti-Asians don’t wear a label that says Anti-Asian. Action speak louder than words. History will not be forgiving.

“The actions”?

Increasing diversity - economic, racial, special needs, English learners.

And going from 73% to 54% Asian students.

GMAFB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.commentary.org/articles/stephen-steinberg/how-jewish-quotas-began/

A fascinating story on how the success of Jews was resented and how they were “put in place” by the dominant establishment.

In the early years of last century, Jews were recent immigrants and prioritized education of their children over everything else.

They were subject to among others things geographical quotas, allegations that their children were peculiar and not “well rounded” and that they were resource hoarders. Laws and policies were implemented at the best of schools to keep Jews out of elite colleges.

It is the same set of forces at play with Asian-Americans. Resentment of the Asian American success is pushing so called “reform” with the express purpose of containing their success. The Jewish community is one of the most successful ones today because they never gave up and never gave in. And so will the Asian Americans.

Not the same set of forces at all.

Jewish people faced real bigotry and were broadly disdained.

For TJ, people think the near non-existence of URMs/low income students is unacceptable. It’s nothing against wealthy Asians (sense of entitlement aside).

Trust me, it is the same forces. In this age of social media, you cannot afford to be blunt so the moves are couched in talk of helping URMs and using innuendo like “pay to play” to suggest Asian Americans don’t believe in fair play. But the methods are the same. Elite colleges put in geographical quotas in high Jewish density areas to have fewer Jewish folks admitted.

The Jewish people were successful in spite of the disdain they faced. They were shut out by geographical quotas and not the bigotry they faced.

They used quotas back then because they were anti-Semitic. No one here is anti-Asian (though those people certainly exists in general).

Today, we think that the TJ should attainable for more people in the county. Having only a handful of wealthy middle schools scoop up all of the seats is way too inequitable.

Just like the anti-Semitic did not wear a label saying anti-Semitic, the anti-Asians don’t wear a label that says Anti-Asian. Action speak louder than words. History will not be forgiving.

“The actions”?

Increasing diversity - economic, racial, special needs, English learners.

And going from 73% to 54% Asian students.

GMAFB.

That is your goal and you are proud of it.

Some more parallels

Jewish students, writes Levine, were considered conscientious about their studies but ill-equipped at mixing socially. According to him, they had no leadership skills, athletic prowess, and alumni parentage. And they were "lacking the physical strength," Karabel chronicles, "and straightforwardness of the 'manly' American."

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2021/08/09/historical-parallel-between-asian-american-and-jewish-students/

Drop the pretense that you are doing good for anyone - this is all driven by animus towards Asians.