U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts on Friday called for a response from a Virginia school

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Anonymous wrote:"the seats allocated to each middle school are extremely limited (no FCPS middle school has more than a dozen guaranteed seats, see App. at 240a), there are few unallocated seats, and Asian- American applicants from feeder schools are at a marked disadvantage for the limited number of unallocated seats."

so the coalition's logic is both that few seats are allocated and that few seats are unallocated?


They are describing the mechanism designed by the board whereby Asian students who were previously eligible to apply, are now unable to apply for a majority of the seat positions.


But this is true of every student in the County. That's why this is a specious argument. The students who are at Poe also have a limited number of seats that they can apply to. Same with Hughes, same with Rocky Run, same with Luther Jackson.

This might be the single worst argument that one could make.


The purpose of the paragraph is to say FCPS's TJ plan is not the same as Texas's "Top Ten Percent" plan.

FCPS had previously argued that upending the TJ plan is in essence also upending Texas's "Top Ten Percent" plan. By invalidating the TJ plan you're going against precedent.

The coalition is saying allocating no more than a dozen kids from each school hardly constitutes strict comparison to the "Top Ten Percent" plan. The rest of the paragraph outlines other reasons why the TJ plan isn't tied to the hip of the "Top Ten Percent" plan.

Essentially, the previous court's decision on the "Top Ten Percent" plan has limited bearing on the constitutionality of the TJ plan. There are too many differences, and the TJ plan needs to be judged on its own merits.


Here is where they were semi-correct:

"Asian-American applicants from feeder schools are at a marked disadvantage for the limited number of unallocated seats".

But there are two problems with this assertion:

1) Students of other races at those feeder schools were ALSO disadvantaged in exactly the same way, and at none of those schools do Asians constitute a majority;

2) Asian-American students at non-feeder schools were ADVANTAGED by the new process.


Excellent point! Approximately 2300 Asian American students attend TJ "feeder middle schools" and approximately 3,500 Asian American students attend middle schools that are not considered "TJ feeders". So it would appear that a greater number of Asian Americans could have actually benefited from this new process than might have been harmed by it - putting the lie AGAIN to the idea that this was about hurting Asian Americans.

And we can even go further by looking at the demographic composition of the feeder schools in question! Those feeder schools as a whole are only 32.4% Asian to begin with, and they're 36.7% white! So even if we accept that the goal was depress the total population from TJ feeder schools, there were more white students directly impacted by that policy than Asian students!

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8


Wow - I didn't even know that was the case. You nailed it. Any way you look at this case, the Coalition has to narrow their definition of exactly who was harmed by the new policy to a smaller and smaller sliver of the total population.

So the majority of the students even at the two most Asian schools are NOT, in fact, Asian...

The plurality of the students at the feeder schools as a whole were white, and fewer than a third of the students at those schools are Asian...

There are more Asian students at non-feeder schools than there are at feeder schools....

This just keeps looking worse and worse for the Coalition as you dig deeper into the numbers.


+1

I didn’t realize that either.


But the percentage of TJ applicants that are Asian at the top two feeder schools is DOUBLE what the percentage of Asians enrolled at the middle school. Something like 2/3 of the TJ applicants from Carson and Longfellow are Asian even though Asians comprise around 1/3 of the student population at the school.
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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Go to the chat rooms. It is scary there. The students who worked hard will not be fine.

Neither are the 21 students who dropped out in 9th grade from TJ. For whatever reason, the enrollment is now 529 as of the end of March. They may also not be fine.


They were never guaranteed admission to TJ. They will be fine.
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Anonymous wrote:"the seats allocated to each middle school are extremely limited (no FCPS middle school has more than a dozen guaranteed seats, see App. at 240a), there are few unallocated seats, and Asian- American applicants from feeder schools are at a marked disadvantage for the limited number of unallocated seats."

so the coalition's logic is both that few seats are allocated and that few seats are unallocated?


They are describing the mechanism designed by the board whereby Asian students who were previously eligible to apply, are now unable to apply for a majority of the seat positions.


But this is true of every student in the County. That's why this is a specious argument. The students who are at Poe also have a limited number of seats that they can apply to. Same with Hughes, same with Rocky Run, same with Luther Jackson.

This might be the single worst argument that one could make.


+1000. The Coalition doesn't have a single argument that doesn't rely on a comparison between the old admissions process and the new one - and the reason is because they know that if the new admissions process is evaluated on its own merits, it holds up.


Two reactions:

First, you're reading quite a bit out of the law addressing discrimination for purposes of the equal protection clause if you set aside discriminatory intent.

Second, it's quite odd that the county encouraged AAP students to attend AAP centers, saw that so many Asian kids attend the AAP centers, and then allocated seats to a Governor's school for gifted students by middle school without regard to the base schools to which those students were assigned.


Exactly. Asians (which is composed of a plethora of many different races by the way) were screwed by the more essay-heavy criteria and eliminating the math test (Asians' strong suit is in maths), allocation of seats by attending school (not base school, so students in AAP which are heavily Asian is also at a disadvantage), and basing grades off of any core courses instead of giving any more weight to more difficult courses (like Algebra II). I mean could they have tried any harder to put the Asians down?

Just go to the chat rooms and instagram message groups in AAP middle schools. The Asian students are pissed. There is genuine resentment fermenting, even for those who are not considering TJ. You can argue until the sun sets, but it doesn't change the fact that the students feel discriminated against and the adults are stoking hatred by this new process. These kids will grow up to be your doctors, scientists, and engineers.

It would be another matter to find an intelligent system to nurture and discover/identify talent in other ethnic groups in FCPS. To the current flock of Asian students, you have simply changed the rules of the game so that they are disadvantaged at every turn.



THIS.

All you tone-deaf advocates of reform and crusaders against discrimination, are you listening?

There is a bunch of children out there hurting because you cannot stop to listen. Shame on you


Maybe they can hang out with aggrieved white males who thing the world is stacked against them and commiserate


I think the better ones to commiserate is menopausal women with failure to launch kids who are venting their frustrations on young kids.


This

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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Go to the chat rooms. It is scary there. The students who worked hard will not be fine.

Neither are the 21 students who dropped out in 9th grade from TJ. For whatever reason, the enrollment is now 529 as of the end of March. They may also not be fine.


They were never guaranteed admission to TJ. They will be fine.


Repeating something doesn't make it true. If you had worked hard for something in your life, you would probably feel differently.
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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Go to the chat rooms. It is scary there. The students who worked hard will not be fine.

Neither are the 21 students who dropped out in 9th grade from TJ. For whatever reason, the enrollment is now 529 as of the end of March. They may also not be fine.


They were never guaranteed admission to TJ. They will be fine.


Repeating something doesn't make it true. If you had worked hard for something in your life, you would probably feel differently.


It’s true. They will be fine. They have plenty of resources available to them.

In fact, they will probably have better chances at top schools at their base school.

They were never entitled to a seat at TJ. Shame on their parents if they didn’t prepare them for alternate scenarios.


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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Its really easy to say when you are not in their shoes! Just think about it in another way, you are part of a 10 member sales team and 5 of them made the sales quotas, but you produce the most results. But the company doesn't care anything beyond the min quota, picked one at random (or a hypothetical race?) who happened to the least performing of the 5 and gave all the yearly sales commission to that person. Then comes back to you say, you should be fine as you are really good at what you do. .

In this employee's case, there is a chance to win commission again next year, but in case of TJ, you need to understand that this is a really once in a life time opportunity for many of these kids and they hate it to be taken away for stupid political reasons or some kind of weird balancing act at their expense. Don't play games with kids dreams and hard work. If they truly don't deserve it, then its fine. But don't it for some macro level statistics and ignore micro level implications.
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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Go to the chat rooms. It is scary there. The students who worked hard will not be fine.

Neither are the 21 students who dropped out in 9th grade from TJ. For whatever reason, the enrollment is now 529 as of the end of March. They may also not be fine.


They were never guaranteed admission to TJ. They will be fine.


Repeating something doesn't make it true. If you had worked hard for something in your life, you would probably feel differently.


It’s true. They will be fine. They have plenty of resources available to them.

In fact, they will probably have better chances at top schools at their base school.

They were never entitled to a seat at TJ. Shame on their parents if they didn’t prepare them for alternate scenarios.



So....the reason for TJ is that you think a lot of the schools in FCPS with fewer Asian kids suck and kids who'd otherwise attend them need special help so they might have some chance to avoid them.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the other schools attended by the vast majority of kids in those areas.
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And what about the kids who skip their final class everyday because they have to pick up younger siblings at the elementary school. The kid who is smart but underestimated by teachers due to being raised to swear to express themselves. It aim of the TJ changes was to identify strong kids who haven’t had the parental grooming or opportunities to show their capabilities in the standard way.
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Anonymous wrote:And what about the kids who skip their final class everyday because they have to pick up younger siblings at the elementary school. The kid who is smart but underestimated by teachers due to being raised to swear to express themselves. It aim of the TJ changes was to identify strong kids who haven’t had the parental grooming or opportunities to show their capabilities in the standard way.


Sorry for being a devils advocate here - I understand what you are saying, but how is giving admission into TJ is going to solve this problem? TJ is located far away from most base schools and commute takes a while. And course work is going to be much more intense compared to base schools. If the kids aren't meeting challenges at their base school because of whatever constraints they currently have, how are they going to be handle the workload at TJ? Kids who are strong and motivated, will usually find a way to stand out and excel in any environment. You can't take a person swimming on the sidelines and expect to do well when you throw them in the middle of the rapids.
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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Its really easy to say when you are not in their shoes! Just think about it in another way, you are part of a 10 member sales team and 5 of them made the sales quotas, but you produce the most results. But the company doesn't care anything beyond the min quota, picked one at random (or a hypothetical race?) who happened to the least performing of the 5 and gave all the yearly sales commission to that person. Then comes back to you say, you should be fine as you are really good at what you do. .

In this employee's case, there is a chance to win commission again next year, but in case of TJ, you need to understand that this is a really once in a life time opportunity for many of these kids and they hate it to be taken away for stupid political reasons or some kind of weird balancing act at their expense. Don't play games with kids dreams and hard work. If they truly don't deserve it, then its fine. But don't it for some macro level statistics and ignore micro level implications.


No kid is guaranteed admissions or entitled to a seat.

Maybe parents shouldn’t be positing TJ as a “once in a lifetime opportunity”. That’s not healthy for their kids.
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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Go to the chat rooms. It is scary there. The students who worked hard will not be fine.

Neither are the 21 students who dropped out in 9th grade from TJ. For whatever reason, the enrollment is now 529 as of the end of March. They may also not be fine.


They were never guaranteed admission to TJ. They will be fine.


Repeating something doesn't make it true. If you had worked hard for something in your life, you would probably feel differently.


It’s true. They will be fine. They have plenty of resources available to them.

In fact, they will probably have better chances at top schools at their base school.

They were never entitled to a seat at TJ. Shame on their parents if they didn’t prepare them for alternate scenarios.



So....the reason for TJ is that you think a lot of the schools in FCPS with fewer Asian kids suck and kids who'd otherwise attend them need special help so they might have some chance to avoid them.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the other schools attended by the vast majority of kids in those areas.


That’s not what I said at all. ??
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Anonymous wrote:It is really disheartening to AAP kids especially at feeder schools. You work really hard to stand out and when its time to start seeing first glimpse of positive outcomes, the rules are changed below their feet that nullify everything they are good at and stand out and loose out to others who did the bare minimum in whats essentially a lottery in flatted out selection criteria and not able to even qualify for significant booster criteria coming from other factors.


These kids have all sorts of resources available to them. They will be fine.


Its really easy to say when you are not in their shoes! Just think about it in another way, you are part of a 10 member sales team and 5 of them made the sales quotas, but you produce the most results. But the company doesn't care anything beyond the min quota, picked one at random (or a hypothetical race?) who happened to the least performing of the 5 and gave all the yearly sales commission to that person. Then comes back to you say, you should be fine as you are really good at what you do. .

In this employee's case, there is a chance to win commission again next year, but in case of TJ, you need to understand that this is a really once in a life time opportunity for many of these kids and they hate it to be taken away for stupid political reasons or some kind of weird balancing act at their expense. Don't play games with kids dreams and hard work. If they truly don't deserve it, then its fine. But don't it for some macro level statistics and ignore micro level implications.


No kid is guaranteed admissions or entitled to a seat.

Maybe parents shouldn’t be positing TJ as a “once in a lifetime opportunity”. That’s not healthy for their kids.


Exactly. And for many of these families, their kids will end up having access to a lot of the same materials that they would have at TJ through the internships secured by their parents over the summer.
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Sorry for being a devils advocate here - I understand what you are saying, but how is giving admission into TJ is going to solve this problem? TJ is located far away from most base schools and commute takes a while. And course work is going to be much more intense compared to base schools. If the kids aren't meeting challenges at their base school because of whatever constraints they currently have, how are they going to be handle the workload at TJ? Kids who are strong and motivated, will usually find a way to stand out and excel in any environment. You can't take a person swimming on the sidelines and expect to do well when you throw them in the middle of the rapids.


As far as far away goes, for Prince William I agree with you, but most of the poorer schools in FCPS are very close to TJ. Holmes, Poe, and Glasgow are within a 15 minute walk.
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Anonymous wrote:TJ's racist policy that your tax dollars is defending cut the Asian entry by half

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/04/fairfax-co-schools-defends-admissions-policy-at-thomas-jefferson-hs/


“By half”? Guess you’re not so good with numbers?

Recap of admission #s from 2024 to 2025:
+64 overall

+50 female
+14 male

+46 hispanic +242%
+37 white +26%
+29 black +245%
+8 other/mixed +26%
-56 asian -26%

+142 from underrepresented MSs
-36 private school


And despite that TJ is still over 50% Asian right?



Yup. Headline: Group That Is Over-Represented Threefold Thinks It’s Racist That They’re No Longer Over-Represented Four-Fold


+1 And something must be done about this!


Keep going. This "racial balancing" motivation is what is being questioned by the court. You can have a great outcome but if the process to get there is not constitutional then it does not matter. But keep going. You guys dont care how unfair/unconstitutional a process is as long as it gets your goals.


People have *repeatedly* pointed out that the approach sucked but the outcome is a step in the right direction.



People have *repeatedly* pointed out that ends do not justify the means in any modern democracy. If that does not sink in from a constitutional perspective, let me give you something you can relate to.

Even if you catch a murderer red-handed and dont follow due process like reading the Miranda rights, you will not get the conviction.

There are many on this forum who are on board with increasing diversity at TJ but you have to do it the right way.


What is the right way to increase diversity at TJ?


Define diversity - if you do it by skin color, you've already lost the argument. Prove that TJ is not diverse; again if you come up with a race chart, you've already lost.


And attituteds like that are why the school is going to end up closed or as an academy


In other words, you are either unable to or unwilling to even define diversity except in a racist way, and would rather that a school close down than have it not be involved in implementing your desired racist policies.


You've solved the problems. No black kids at a school isn't an issue if mentioning that there are no black kids at the school is racist. Congratulations.


That's not what I said. If you can tie the lack of black kids at a school to explicitly racist policies, such as affirmative action, or facially neutral policies implemented with racist intent, like the new TJ admission policies, then we can absolutely work together to remove those barriers to black kids. Absent such evidence, it's improper to identify racial disparity as a "problem" that needs solving.


Cool, now get the Board and, more importantly, local voters to agree. Your solution really is genius, I think you should start publicizing it widely- no racism because pointing out racism is in itself racist


Again, that's not what I said. Your lack of reading comprehension is at an impressive level.


Or maybe views like "That's not what I said. If you can tie the lack of black kids at a school to explicitly racist policies, such as affirmative action, or facially neutral policies implemented with racist intent, like the new TJ admission policies, then we can absolutely work together to remove those barriers to black kids. Absent such evidence, it's improper to identify racial disparity as a "problem" that needs solving." will go over better in Alabama.


So first you mischaracterize what I said, and when challenged, you try to assail what I said by inferring that it is somehow unwholesome through a worthless innuendo. Your thoughts are shallow and your character bankrupt.


What you said amounts to racist garbage


+1000. Do you think the Coalition-aligned folks simply don't understand their racism or that they understand it and therefore are using the Russian "accusation as confession" tactic?


One side here is defending a policy that's been found to be racist in federal court.


and the other is defending a system that has historically excluded black, hispanic, and poor students


Could it be possible that not many blacks applied and those who did apply were not as qualified as other applicants?
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https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/04/fairfax-co-schools-defends-admissions-policy-at-thomas-jefferson-hs/


“By half”? Guess you’re not so good with numbers?

Recap of admission #s from 2024 to 2025:
+64 overall

+50 female
+14 male

+46 hispanic +242%
+37 white +26%
+29 black +245%
+8 other/mixed +26%
-56 asian -26%

+142 from underrepresented MSs
-36 private school


And despite that TJ is still over 50% Asian right?



Yup. Headline: Group That Is Over-Represented Threefold Thinks It’s Racist That They’re No Longer Over-Represented Four-Fold


+1 And something must be done about this!


Keep going. This "racial balancing" motivation is what is being questioned by the court. You can have a great outcome but if the process to get there is not constitutional then it does not matter. But keep going. You guys dont care how unfair/unconstitutional a process is as long as it gets your goals.


People have *repeatedly* pointed out that the approach sucked but the outcome is a step in the right direction.



People have *repeatedly* pointed out that ends do not justify the means in any modern democracy. If that does not sink in from a constitutional perspective, let me give you something you can relate to.

Even if you catch a murderer red-handed and dont follow due process like reading the Miranda rights, you will not get the conviction.

There are many on this forum who are on board with increasing diversity at TJ but you have to do it the right way.


What is the right way to increase diversity at TJ?


Define diversity - if you do it by skin color, you've already lost the argument. Prove that TJ is not diverse; again if you come up with a race chart, you've already lost.


And attituteds like that are why the school is going to end up closed or as an academy


In other words, you are either unable to or unwilling to even define diversity except in a racist way, and would rather that a school close down than have it not be involved in implementing your desired racist policies.


You've solved the problems. No black kids at a school isn't an issue if mentioning that there are no black kids at the school is racist. Congratulations.


That's not what I said. If you can tie the lack of black kids at a school to explicitly racist policies, such as affirmative action, or facially neutral policies implemented with racist intent, like the new TJ admission policies, then we can absolutely work together to remove those barriers to black kids. Absent such evidence, it's improper to identify racial disparity as a "problem" that needs solving.


Cool, now get the Board and, more importantly, local voters to agree. Your solution really is genius, I think you should start publicizing it widely- no racism because pointing out racism is in itself racist


Again, that's not what I said. Your lack of reading comprehension is at an impressive level.


Or maybe views like "That's not what I said. If you can tie the lack of black kids at a school to explicitly racist policies, such as affirmative action, or facially neutral policies implemented with racist intent, like the new TJ admission policies, then we can absolutely work together to remove those barriers to black kids. Absent such evidence, it's improper to identify racial disparity as a "problem" that needs solving." will go over better in Alabama.


So first you mischaracterize what I said, and when challenged, you try to assail what I said by inferring that it is somehow unwholesome through a worthless innuendo. Your thoughts are shallow and your character bankrupt.


What you said amounts to racist garbage


+1000. Do you think the Coalition-aligned folks simply don't understand their racism or that they understand it and therefore are using the Russian "accusation as confession" tactic?


One side here is defending a policy that's been found to be racist in federal court.


and the other is defending a system that has historically excluded black, hispanic, and poor students


Could it be possible that not many blacks applied and those who did apply were not as qualified as other applicants?


We’ve looked at the numbers on earlier threads. A high % of black students who were eligible to apply, did apply. And the admission rate was disproportionately low.

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