What’s going on with the two bills?

[Anonymous]

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Isn’t Jake Sherman the guy who was outed as being extremely friendly with Mark Meadows? And hasn’t Manchin been shown to be a damn liar already? Why do you trust the message or the messengers?

What's not to trust? Manchin has been clear since summer he didn't like this bill and has made as much known throughout the fall and winter. Then blew it up on XMas Eve like he was hinting at all along.

Or do you think there's a secret unicorn bill signed and going to a vote at 8PM tonight despite his objections?

They gave Manchin concession after concession. But in the end, it turned out Manchin was just playing games and wasting everyone's time.

That is adorable!

The Democrats can't proceed without Manchin's vote.

If he doesn't like the bill they have to change it until he likes it. They don't get to decide when they have given him enough concessions, he decides.

They should have known he had an effective veto and approached him appropriately, asking him very nicely what he would be willing to support.

Instead they decided to try to steamroll him...

They DID ask him. They DID make many changes. They DID give him many concessions. But Manchin still went ahead, grossly abused his position and is a complete a-hole.

Again, slowly, Manchin gets what he wants, all of it.

You keep saying they gave him "many concessions," but that doesn't matter one bit. Manchin gets to decide when he likes the bill and if he doesn't like it then it is dead.

Manchin took $1.5 million from Republican donors in the lead-up to this. It's clear that the only thing he's decided on is nest-padding grift.

You say that like its going to his bank account - its direct to his re-election campaign coffers so who cares?

Don't you understand, it was from -Republican- donors, that is how you know they are bad. This is bad money.

Except they gave it to a Democrat, which means they are by definition Democratic donors, which is apparently fine and virtuous.

Let's make this as clear as possible:
Republicans gave two corrupt Democrats money in order to get them to sabotage a Democrat bill. Manchin got $1.5m, Sinema got $1m. End of story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:*snickers*

Isn’t Jake Sherman the guy who was outed as being extremely friendly with Mark Meadows? And hasn’t Manchin been shown to be a damn liar already? Why do you trust the message or the messengers?

What's not to trust? Manchin has been clear since summer he didn't like this bill and has made as much known throughout the fall and winter. Then blew it up on XMas Eve like he was hinting at all along.

Or do you think there's a secret unicorn bill signed and going to a vote at 8PM tonight despite his objections?

They gave Manchin concession after concession. But in the end, it turned out Manchin was just playing games and wasting everyone's time.

That is adorable!

The Democrats can't proceed without Manchin's vote.

If he doesn't like the bill they have to change it until he likes it. They don't get to decide when they have given him enough concessions, he decides.

They should have known he had an effective veto and approached him appropriately, asking him very nicely what he would be willing to support.

Instead they decided to try to steamroll him...

They DID ask him. They DID make many changes. They DID give him many concessions. But Manchin still went ahead, grossly abused his position and is a complete a-hole.

Again, slowly, Manchin gets what he wants, all of it.

You keep saying they gave him "many concessions," but that doesn't matter one bit. Manchin gets to decide when he likes the bill and if he doesn't like it then it is dead.

Manchin took $1.5 million from Republican donors in the lead-up to this. It's clear that the only thing he's decided on is nest-padding grift.

You say that like its going to his bank account - its direct to his re-election campaign coffers so who cares?

Don't you understand, it was from -Republican- donors, that is how you know they are bad. This is bad money.

Except they gave it to a Democrat, which means they are by definition Democratic donors, which is apparently fine and virtuous.

Let's make this as clear as possible:
Republicans gave two corrupt Democrats money in order to get them to sabotage a Democrat bill. Manchin got $1.5m, Sinema got $1m. End of story.

That's pretty cheap compared to how much money Democrats poured into races for Beto O'Rourke, Cal Cunningham, Sara Gideon, Amy McGrath, and Jaime Harrison. I recall each candidate had a $50 million warchest from funds pouring in and they all still lost.

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It’s interesting how much Manchin and the rest of the GOP hate working people. The coal miners in WV want BBB to pass. They know coal is dying. They know they need to change to renewables so that there are jobs. And the coal mine owners are fighting it.

But it gives QOP pps a little thrill to think of a Democrat looking like the one to stop the insanely popular legislation that the GOP doesn’t want passed.

Here’s an article that QOP pps won’t read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how much Manchin and the rest of the GOP hate working people. The coal miners in WV want BBB to pass. They know coal is dying. They know they need to change to renewables so that there are jobs. And the coal mine owners are fighting it.

But it gives QOP pps a little thrill to think of a Democrat looking like the one to stop the insanely popular legislation that the GOP doesn’t want passed.

Here’s an article that QOP pps won’t read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/

The owners are fighting and the miners will forget it the moment their pension plan is attached as a rider to another bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how much Manchin and the rest of the GOP hate working people. The coal miners in WV want BBB to pass. They know coal is dying. They know they need to change to renewables so that there are jobs. And the coal mine owners are fighting it.

But it gives QOP pps a little thrill to think of a Democrat looking like the one to stop the insanely popular legislation that the GOP doesn’t want passed.

Here’s an article that QOP pps won’t read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/

It's the coal miners union that wants BBB to pass. What, if anything, the actual coal miners want is unknown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how much Manchin and the rest of the GOP hate working people. The coal miners in WV want BBB to pass. They know coal is dying. They know they need to change to renewables so that there are jobs. And the coal mine owners are fighting it.

But it gives QOP pps a little thrill to think of a Democrat looking like the one to stop the insanely popular legislation that the GOP doesn’t want passed.

Here’s an article that QOP pps won’t read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/

The owners are fighting and the miners will forget it the moment their pension plan is attached as a rider to another bill.

Told ya.

[Anonymous]

OOoo a reporter actually said 'Build Back Better has been shelved' live in the White House press room! Psaki got heated.

[Anonymous]

No one believes them and repeating this lie like a broken record is not helping

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one believes them and repeating this lie like a broken record is not helping

Cute. A whole army of accounts with less than 100 followers all saying the same thing,

Can you say "BOT ARMY?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how much Manchin and the rest of the GOP hate working people. The coal miners in WV want BBB to pass. They know coal is dying. They know they need to change to renewables so that there are jobs. And the coal mine owners are fighting it.

But it gives QOP pps a little thrill to think of a Democrat looking like the one to stop the insanely popular legislation that the GOP doesn’t want passed.

Here’s an article that QOP pps won’t read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/

The owners are fighting and the miners will forget it the moment their pension plan is attached as a rider to another bill.

Told ya.

Black lung provision WHERE? Manchin already scuttled the bill. Unless he's saying he's willing to come back to the table.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how much Manchin and the rest of the GOP hate working people. The coal miners in WV want BBB to pass. They know coal is dying. They know they need to change to renewables so that there are jobs. And the coal mine owners are fighting it.

But it gives QOP pps a little thrill to think of a Democrat looking like the one to stop the insanely popular legislation that the GOP doesn’t want passed.

Here’s an article that QOP pps won’t read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/10/manchin-bbb-coal-miners-vs-owners/

The owners are fighting and the miners will forget it the moment their pension plan is attached as a rider to another bill.

Told ya.

Black lung provision WHERE? Manchin already scuttled the bill. Unless he's saying he's willing to come back to the table.

Clearly as a rider in a separate bill all together. With the way the Dems are pushing he could put it in the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and no one would blink - ‘Shut up coal pensions are essential to the democratic process!’

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one believes them and repeating this lie like a broken record is not helping

Cute. A whole army of accounts with less than 100 followers all saying the same thing,

Can you say "BOT ARMY?"

Whatever it takes.

[Anonymous]

Isn't it remarkable how quickly Biden (and Pelosi and Schumer) pivoted from BBB to voting rights once BBB was declared on life support?

The bill they claimed was the most important piece of legislation until it wasn't. Now, voting rights is.

[Anonymous]

Clinton drops more charisma in one interview than Biden has in an entire year.

[Anonymous]

Can I just say I love being an American. We are not with the b*llshit.