2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:UMD is getting that B1G $$ now. So long ACC!

uh UMD came somewhere in the 50s. what are you talking about?

It moved up to 46!

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton puts its endowment to work. I mean, I think they should make tuition 20k and get out of the college financing industry full stop, but at least they try more than most. And the word has gotten out that they're the most generous. So I get why they remain on top.

1000% if more colleges reduced their coa, then they wouldn't need legacy and rely on donors. You'd see more UMC/MC class students applying. Right now, a lot of high stats UMC/MC students don't even bother applying to those expensive colleges because of cost.

Which was great bc both of my mc/umc kids got into top 15... checks new list... top 20 schools with outstanding financial aid that made it a lot cheaper than Maryland. Don't think most middle-class-ish people realize that if Northwestern, Rice, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and similar accept someone, it's generally going to work.

Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech are completely out of reach for OOS families that earn a salary. But those higher tier, high endowment private schools are very often much more affordable than state flagships.

I think you missed the point. If those expensive schools lowered the coa, you wouldn't need so much aid, and more students would apply. As it is, a lot of students from donut whole families do not apply because they aren't going to get much aid, and it's too expensive.

The "aid" is simply a discount on price. There are no loans. And the "donut hole" number is going to be variable, depending on other kids going to college etc etc

Depends on the family situation. At Princeton, for instance, for families earning less than $100,000 annually, tuition, room and board is $0. That covers about 25 percent of the student body. A family earning about $150,000 would be expected to pay $12,500. There are discounts available for families earning up to $300,000 a year.

For a lot of families, it's cheaper to go to an elite private than a state flagship. You just need to get in.

That is what they want you to HEAR. It is not reality. It is marketing. If you think otherwise, you are a foot. These privates hiring the best marketing geniuses in the world WHO WORK FOR THE UNIVERSITY

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

and you are proud of that?

Yes, absolutely!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ my kid got into both

actually so did mine. As well as this dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Its funny that people put any stock at all in USNWR rankings. Particularly for kids focused on a particular program. I have a kid at a school that most people here would sneer at and which doesn't get ranked highly by USNWR but my kid is in a selective admit program there that is consistently ranked at the top for those programs. Should she have instead gone to a top ten school that didn't offer the program or which offers it but where the program is clearly inferior?

Totally agree. I find all this bickering about the rankings amusing. You all know nothing actually changed about these schools between last year and this year, right? But USNWR changes their formula and get all these people in a flutter about it.

One of my kids is at a big school that went up in the rankings (according to the discussion here, I didn't look it up) and another is at a small school most people don't know. Both have excellent programs for the things they want. USNWR played zero role in where they applied or chose to go.

USNEWS is extremely damaging and schools should opt out.

+100 The quality of education is our #1 consideration. We measure that by class size, professors with PHDs, research dollars, etc. We do not measure the quality of the education by the number of first generation students enrolled, number of first generation or Pell grant recipients that graduate, % of Pell grants, etc. This data is COMPLETELY irrelevant to our family as we are full pay, highly educated, and not trying to achieve any social mobility. We are already in the 1%.

I think that would be the rational thing to do. It's already happened with law and medical schools.

USNWR is obviously run by children. Colleges used to really care about their ranking. But this is a totally different thing. This new methodology is incredibly stupid. And any school that changes things to pursue a higher ranking at USNWR is going to suffer.

Puts colleges in a tough stunt.

If I were prez of a top 100 school, I would totally opt out from USNWR.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

and you are proud of that?

Yes, absolutely!

+1 why shouldn't UMD be proud of that? There are thousands of colleges in the US. T50 is great.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

It didn't move "up" and that's not good!

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

and you are proud of that?

Yes, absolutely!

+1 why shouldn't UMD be proud of that? There are thousands of colleges in the US. T50 is great.

Because those UMD students could have applied to UVA (T24, and no. 3 top value)

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

and you are proud of that?

Yes, absolutely!

+1 why shouldn't UMD be proud of that? There are thousands of colleges in the US. T50 is great.

Because those UMD students could have applied to UVA (T24, and no. 3 top value)

UVA a top value if your are in-state. Also I really doubt anyone thinks UVA is better than UMD for computer since and some engineering disciplines do they?

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

and you are proud of that?

Yes, absolutely!

+1 why shouldn't UMD be proud of that? There are thousands of colleges in the US. T50 is great.

Because those UMD students could have applied to UVA (T24, and no. 3 top value)

UVA a top value if your are in-state. Also I really doubt anyone thinks UVA is better than UMD for computer since and some engineering disciplines do they?

In all honesty, UVA had better watch their rear view over the next 10 years! The kids know that cofounders from Google and Oculus went to UMD for undergrad and they've invested wisely in CS and eng. UMD attracts some great international grad students too.

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Chicago's student paper mentioned how they capped class sizes in 2008 to improve their ranking It was removed as part of the ranking formula this year and Chicago is no longer T10 in any ranking:
"The decision to forgo class size is especially impactful to the University’s ranking. Core classes have long been capped at 19 students, the number U.S. News considered to be a “small class.” In 2008, then-Dean of College Enrollment Michael Benkhe cited the policy as an example of how administrators had looked to improve the University’s position in rankings."
https://chicagomaroon.com/39840/news/uchicago-drops-to-no-12-in-u-s-news-rankings/

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Anonymous wrote:The publics get a big boost. Not fair imo, as they are expensive for low income students as fin aid is poor.

how is it fair when expensive privates are considered "higher ranked" when MC/UMC kids can't afford it?

And the "poor" at these expensive colleges are a small percentage of the overall student population. Those expensive elite private colleges cater to the rich. How is that fair?

Actually, the SLACs often do an excellent job for first gen, low income students. (I was one.) They can afford to give generous financial aid packages (almost full rides). The public universities can't. This is a common misperception. Of course, getting accepted to the top 20 SLACs is extremely difficult. But if you can get admitted, they've got the money to take care of you. I could not have afforded any of my in-state public universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton puts its endowment to work. I mean, I think they should make tuition 20k and get out of the college financing industry full stop, but at least they try more than most. And the word has gotten out that they're the most generous. So I get why they remain on top.

1000% if more colleges reduced their coa, then they wouldn't need legacy and rely on donors. You'd see more UMC/MC class students applying. Right now, a lot of high stats UMC/MC students don't even bother applying to those expensive colleges because of cost.

Which was great bc both of my mc/umc kids got into top 15... checks new list... top 20 schools with outstanding financial aid that made it a lot cheaper than Maryland. Don't think most middle-class-ish people realize that if Northwestern, Rice, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and similar accept someone, it's generally going to work.

Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech are completely out of reach for OOS families that earn a salary. But those higher tier, high endowment private schools are very often much more affordable than state flagships.

I think you missed the point. If those expensive schools lowered the coa, you wouldn't need so much aid, and more students would apply. As it is, a lot of students from donut whole families do not apply because they aren't going to get much aid, and it's too expensive.

The "aid" is simply a discount on price. There are no loans. And the "donut hole" number is going to be variable, depending on other kids going to college etc etc

Depends on the family situation. At Princeton, for instance, for families earning less than $100,000 annually, tuition, room and board is $0. That covers about 25 percent of the student body. A family earning about $150,000 would be expected to pay $12,500. There are discounts available for families earning up to $300,000 a year.

For a lot of families, it's cheaper to go to an elite private than a state flagship. You just need to get in.

That is what they want you to HEAR. It is not reality. It is marketing. If you think otherwise, you are a foot. These privates hiring the best marketing geniuses in the world WHO WORK FOR THE UNIVERSITY

DP: No, it's actually true. You can look at the CDS. For instance, 1 in 5 Harvard students pays $0. They get an absolute need-based full-ride. They would not get this at their state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD moved up to 46!

and you are proud of that?

Yes, absolutely!

+1 why shouldn't UMD be proud of that? There are thousands of colleges in the US. T50 is great.

Because those UMD students could have applied to UVA (T24, and no. 3 top value)

UVA a top value if your are in-state. Also I really doubt anyone thinks UVA is better than UMD for computer since and some engineering disciplines do they?

+1 no way in heck my CS major kid from a magnet would've applied to UVA. DC would've applied to VTech, but not UVA. That's laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:Can most students graduate in 4 years from UVA? There’s no issues with getting necessary classes like at UCB or UCLA?

Yea, but US News has decided to use 6 year graduation rates.

That’s because most students at schools like UVA opt into the easier majors. The harder disciplines, such as Engineering, often take a bit longer to complete.

Why would an engineering degree take more than 4 years? It sounds like the college is failing these kids.

Engineering degrees typically require more credit hours to complete. It’s that simple.

and of course, they the courses tend to be harder.