Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Something is seriously wrong with you. Yes, you keep him home. What kind of horrible person are you to send a sick kid to school? This is why schools need mandatory weekly testing because other parents cannot trust people like you not to send their kids to school sick and infect other students, staff and their families. Must be nice to be that selfish and not care about the consequences on others but decent people do keep their kids home.
PP is talking about a kid who is NOT sick. They are talking about a kid who tests positive on a Covid test but is asymptomatic.
I don’t love it, but we’ve reached a point where you think we have to accept that asymptomatic people need to be able to live as normal (maybe just masked) if they don’t have symptoms. It’s just not reasonable to expect people to quarantine if they aren’t sick unless we as a society are willing to support that kind of policy. Which means liberal sick leave and WFH policies, government help in the form of groceries delivered or other in-home services, etc. That’s what countries with successful isolation policies do. Otherwise people just don’t test and don’t isolate even if they do, because they can’t just miss infinite amounts of work and school and still function.
The truth is that the US is not willing to do this. We are too individualistic and don’t approach problems collectively. Even the most Covid cautious Americans rarely argue for greater government and social support to combat Covid. It’s still an individualist message— you must test yourself, choose to isolate, figure out work and childcare fallout yourself, pay for the inconvenience yourself, or YOU are selfish and not as “good” at Covid as we are. It gets passed of as a progressive position but it’s not— it’s a competitive, individualist, non-communal position. It is the same old American boot-straps, figure it out yourself narrative as always, just dressed up with the reasoning that you should do this to “protect the vulnerable.” But vulnerable people don’t get help either! Everyone is just supposed to figure it out themselves.
So people will figure it out by not testing and going to work/school/daycare unless visibly sick (and maybe even then) because they need money to live and can’t rely on anyone but themselves to get that money. That’s America.
There is no we, there is you trying to justify your poor and uncaring behavior but hey, it’s all fine as long as your needs are met. Pretty bad way to raise a child. Don’t complain when your kid has mental health issues as it clearly started from home.
Many of us are decent people and stay home. Stop expecting the government and others to parent for you. Ever consider what would happen if you gave someone else Covid. You live in a million dollar house and a very different lifestyle. Someone working minimum wage as a cashier is really going to suffer far more in terms of paying rent vs you taking your third vacation of the year.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
These are the same people who claim they "got rid of the lice" and are shocked--shocked--when the teacher tells them their kid has been digging at their head all day, or argue with the clinic aide and claim their kid threw up after getting off the bus and has a temp of 100 "because she ate her breakfast too quickly".
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Something is seriously wrong with you. Yes, you keep him home. What kind of horrible person are you to send a sick kid to school? This is why schools need mandatory weekly testing because other parents cannot trust people like you not to send their kids to school sick and infect other students, staff and their families. Must be nice to be that selfish and not care about the consequences on others but decent people do keep their kids home.
PP is talking about a kid who is NOT sick. They are talking about a kid who tests positive on a Covid test but is asymptomatic.
I don’t love it, but we’ve reached a point where you think we have to accept that asymptomatic people need to be able to live as normal (maybe just masked) if they don’t have symptoms. It’s just not reasonable to expect people to quarantine if they aren’t sick unless we as a society are willing to support that kind of policy. Which means liberal sick leave and WFH policies, government help in the form of groceries delivered or other in-home services, etc. That’s what countries with successful isolation policies do. Otherwise people just don’t test and don’t isolate even if they do, because they can’t just miss infinite amounts of work and school and still function.
The truth is that the US is not willing to do this. We are too individualistic and don’t approach problems collectively. Even the most Covid cautious Americans rarely argue for greater government and social support to combat Covid. It’s still an individualist message— you must test yourself, choose to isolate, figure out work and childcare fallout yourself, pay for the inconvenience yourself, or YOU are selfish and not as “good” at Covid as we are. It gets passed of as a progressive position but it’s not— it’s a competitive, individualist, non-communal position. It is the same old American boot-straps, figure it out yourself narrative as always, just dressed up with the reasoning that you should do this to “protect the vulnerable.” But vulnerable people don’t get help either! Everyone is just supposed to figure it out themselves.
So people will figure it out by not testing and going to work/school/daycare unless visibly sick (and maybe even then) because they need money to live and can’t rely on anyone but themselves to get that money. That’s America.
There is no we, there is you trying to justify your poor and uncaring behavior but hey, it’s all fine as long as your needs are met. Pretty bad way to raise a child. Don’t complain when your kid has mental health issues as it clearly started from home.
Many of us are decent people and stay home. Stop expecting the government and others to parent for you. Ever consider what would happen if you gave someone else Covid. You live in a million dollar house and a very different lifestyle. Someone working minimum wage as a cashier is really going to suffer far more in terms of paying rent vs you taking your third vacation of the year.
NP but this is not just about someone who lives in a million dollar house versus making minimum wage. Most people I know who work in schools or hospitals (not just doctors before you mention that people who work in hospitals make a lot of money) have policies where exposure to Covid is not enough of a reason to take leave. Neither is actually testing positive for Covid or feeling sick with Covid beyond a few days. People have to make choices and losing their jobs is not the choice they will make. And these are decent people teaching your children or caring for sick patients in a hospital. They can’t work from home.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Something is seriously wrong with you. Yes, you keep him home. What kind of horrible person are you to send a sick kid to school? This is why schools need mandatory weekly testing because other parents cannot trust people like you not to send their kids to school sick and infect other students, staff and their families. Must be nice to be that selfish and not care about the consequences on others but decent people do keep their kids home.
PP is talking about a kid who is NOT sick. They are talking about a kid who tests positive on a Covid test but is asymptomatic.
I don’t love it, but we’ve reached a point where you think we have to accept that asymptomatic people need to be able to live as normal (maybe just masked) if they don’t have symptoms. It’s just not reasonable to expect people to quarantine if they aren’t sick unless we as a society are willing to support that kind of policy. Which means liberal sick leave and WFH policies, government help in the form of groceries delivered or other in-home services, etc. That’s what countries with successful isolation policies do. Otherwise people just don’t test and don’t isolate even if they do, because they can’t just miss infinite amounts of work and school and still function.
The truth is that the US is not willing to do this. We are too individualistic and don’t approach problems collectively. Even the most Covid cautious Americans rarely argue for greater government and social support to combat Covid. It’s still an individualist message— you must test yourself, choose to isolate, figure out work and childcare fallout yourself, pay for the inconvenience yourself, or YOU are selfish and not as “good” at Covid as we are. It gets passed of as a progressive position but it’s not— it’s a competitive, individualist, non-communal position. It is the same old American boot-straps, figure it out yourself narrative as always, just dressed up with the reasoning that you should do this to “protect the vulnerable.” But vulnerable people don’t get help either! Everyone is just supposed to figure it out themselves.
So people will figure it out by not testing and going to work/school/daycare unless visibly sick (and maybe even then) because they need money to live and can’t rely on anyone but themselves to get that money. That’s America.
There is no we, there is you trying to justify your poor and uncaring behavior but hey, it’s all fine as long as your needs are met. Pretty bad way to raise a child. Don’t complain when your kid has mental health issues as it clearly started from home.
Many of us are decent people and stay home. Stop expecting the government and others to parent for you. Ever consider what would happen if you gave someone else Covid. You live in a million dollar house and a very different lifestyle. Someone working minimum wage as a cashier is really going to suffer far more in terms of paying rent vs you taking your third vacation of the year.
NP but this is not just about someone who lives in a million dollar house versus making minimum wage. Most people I know who work in schools or hospitals (not just doctors before you mention that people who work in hospitals make a lot of money) have policies where exposure to Covid is not enough of a reason to take leave. Neither is actually testing positive for Covid or feeling sick with Covid beyond a few days. People have to make choices and losing their jobs is not the choice they will make. And these are decent people teaching your children or caring for sick patients in a hospital. They can’t work from home.
I believe there are very few people out there who would send sick kids to school or work sick themselves if it wasn’t for necessity. If the social safety nets and employers were still giving paid leave for covid or for us to take care of sick kids, we wouldn’t be sending them in after testing positive.
Whether you live in a million dollar house or a $600/month apartment, bills don’t pay themselves. Expectations of an employer doesn’t change.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Anonymous wrote:All of this obsessive testing is just making money for the test manufacturers. It hasn't done squat to put a dent into infection rates and waves.
It would if people were decent and stayed home when sick.
Plenty of people have covid and arent “sick”
Probably half of Costco has it at any given moment. Unless you mandate testing of everyone weekly, covid is all around you.
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Np. It's not lazy to be out of paid leave (or never had any to begin with) and need somewhere to send your kids while you work. We can't keep quarantining kids for exposure when not experiencing symptoms.
School does not exist to provide you childcare. If your kid is exposed, KEEP THEM HOME. Period.
That's literally not CDC guidance. If everyone stayed home every time they were exposed, no one would ever work.
+1 School exists to educate children, not to exclude them from learning as much as possible.
Having someone stay home with a highly contagious illness is not excluding them.
But they were *exposed*; they don't necessarily have covid. That's the point. Excluding kids from school who very frequently never even test positive. So you've excluded a kid from school who was never a risk to anyone else.
+1
I received 8 (9?) close contact notifications last year. I’m sure I was exposed more than that and I just wasn’t officially notified. If I had to stay home with each notification, I never would have been available to teach. We can’t keep people home with each exposure. We have to keep going, and I say that as someone who is very Covid-conscious.
Sorry. “Don’t necessarily” isn’t good enough. You see, there are those things called “incubation periods.” Your kids have had prolonged, multi hour indoor exposure to a highly contagious novel respiratory virus. They are welcome back AFTER they pass those days and not before. End of story.
Again, who will watch my kid while he is home for every exposure? And how will he make up all that missed learning?
You and their other parent. It’s called parenting. You will work with them with the school work. Or, don’t put them in situations where they are constantly exposed.
Our employers no longer allow us to take paid leave for exposures. Or work from home. I guess I thought everyone realized this. Now you know,
And your last sentence, are you saying don't send kids to school at all?
That sucks for you and you need back up care. Our kids are still virtual. We hoped to send them back this fall but after experiencing Covid, I’m not risking getting this again when nor so they want it. It’s sad that the schools refuse to help keep everyone healthy.
If you have an exposure outside work, why should your work pay. Teachers are high risk jobs. Is yours?
Lol. WHO IS THE BACK UP CARE? My elderly parents? I have a decent job but can't afford a nanny.
But yeah I think you live in a bubble and you're either very ignorant or just being a jerk.
You need to figure it out. Your kids have two parents. Grow up and take care of your kids.
I am. He goes to school, we go to work.
Ok, but if he has Covid or the flu he needs to stay home.
Only if he is physically ill. No one is keeping their asymptomatic kid home unless they are forced to. And most parents are avoiding testing for this reason. If you don’t test, you don’t have it
Sending your positive, but asymptomatic kid to school is a jerk move.
I don't agree with keeping kids home for exposure, but if they tested positive... I mean come on, do the right thing.
Which means avoiding testing.
Yep. We don’t test non sick kids
Do you test exposed kids?
Nope. Only if they’re sick
Same. We have never tested solely because of exposure, but we are both ES teachers and I'm sure we and our DS have been exposed plenty of times without even knowing. I have never been formally notified that I've been a close contact.
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