Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has there been any charges yet against the POS that killed these girls? Why isn't he in jail?

POSs.

No, POS. If he hadn’t been driving like a bat out of hell, this would have been nothing more than a property damage claim, and no one would have died. Their deaths are solely on him.

If you want to blame the Toyota driver for his at worst property damage contribution, so be it. But do not equate property damage with the loss of human lives. It’s sick.

It looks like his actions were partly to blame for the accident. Don’t think it’s easy enough to divide up the consequences of the accident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two weeks. No charges. Gonna walk?

PP re: Oakton crash @ Fox Mill.

Just wait. In this case, the longer it takes, the more thoroughly investigated. FCPD knows that all eyes are on their investigation and they are especially accountable to the victims’ families and survivors. Call me naive, but this “quiet” means that FCPD and law enforcement is building a rock solid case. Of course the BMW driver’s family is lawyering up and plotting their next move…

I’m worried that he won’t be able to go to school in the fall

I am worried that he will!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two weeks. No charges. Gonna walk?

PP re: Oakton crash @ Fox Mill.

Just wait. In this case, the longer it takes, the more thoroughly investigated. FCPD knows that all eyes are on their investigation and they are especially accountable to the victims’ families and survivors. Call me naive, but this “quiet” means that FCPD and law enforcement is building a rock solid case. Of course the BMW driver’s family is lawyering up and plotting their next move…

I’m worried that he won’t be able to go to school in the fall

The girls he killed won’t be able to go to school in the fall either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two weeks. No charges. Gonna walk?

PP re: Oakton crash @ Fox Mill.

Just wait. In this case, the longer it takes, the more thoroughly investigated. FCPD knows that all eyes are on their investigation and they are especially accountable to the victims’ families and survivors. Call me naive, but this “quiet” means that FCPD and law enforcement is building a rock solid case. Of course the BMW driver’s family is lawyering up and plotting their next move…

I’m worried that he won’t be able to go to school in the fall

The girls he killed won't be in school this fall. He deserves to be in prison.

[Anonymous]

53 pages and people still don’t learn that no one is going to change their opinion. Everyone is gonna hold on to what they believe. Let’s just wait for the police announcement. Based on the timeline of previous fatal accidents, we’ll hear about the charges soon, and the trial probably won’t be finished until at least another 6 months from now.

One good thing that does happen as far as I can see is traffic on Blake ln has been slower and felt somewhat like they’re going within speed limit recently. There are a ton of Slow Down signs along the road, and there are reviews, proposals and whatnot to make this road safer. Very unfortunately it took this tragic accident for things to change (I hope it does stay this way!).

[Anonymous]

I haven’t read this whole thread by a long shot but I don’t understand the person trying to argue that the BMW was NOT driving at a reckless speed. What about the teen who was 50 feet behind the girls who was interviewed by the press? He said the BMW was going so crazy fast that he turned away from it as it passed, and missed observing I
the impact, because it was going at such a crazy speed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Police believe the driver of the BMW, an 18-year-old from Fairfax, Virginia, was traveling at a high rate of speed. Preliminarily, police do not believe alcohol was a factor.

Yes! Thank you for so eloquently proving my point. Police BELIEVE. Police never witnessed nor did they know for sure that speed was a factor. The ignorant and envious armchair quarterbacks on this thread have pushed BMW and teen driver stereotypes to an unproductive and toxic extreme while ignoring the clear and definitive facts at hand. Recommend that the many SAHMs posting here stick to baking cakes and leave the legal- and physics-based analysis to the more intelligent experts.

Correction so that you don’t selectively quote - But police said the white BMW, which was traveling at a high rate of speed, collided with the SUV.

I agree that the ignorant envious armchair quarterback has ignored the aforementioned definitive fact.

You are welcome.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Police believe the driver of the BMW, an 18-year-old from Fairfax, Virginia, was traveling at a high rate of speed. Preliminarily, police do not believe alcohol was a factor.

Yes! Thank you for so eloquently proving my point. Police BELIEVE. Police never witnessed nor did they know for sure that speed was a factor. The ignorant and envious armchair quarterbacks on this thread have pushed BMW and teen driver stereotypes to an unproductive and toxic extreme while ignoring the clear and definitive facts at hand. Recommend that the many SAHMs posting here stick to baking cakes and leave the legal- and physics-based analysis to the more intelligent experts.

What are your qualifications to offer an expert opinion about an accident you did not witness and about which you have zero non-public evidence? Are you saying your belief about the accident is more accurate than that of law enforcement officers who have examined the accident site and spoken to witnesses?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha ha ha

That is like saying - I murdered someone but prior to the murder the said someone was consuming illegal drugs. Since the victim’s illegal act precedes the “murder”, it nullifies wrongdoing on my part. Grow up kid - you will have to be smarter to go to law school.

This is not like saying what you state, where no connective causality exists between the events you describe. In the incident involving the Oakton crash, the Toyota 4Runner committed an illegal turning action and this action CAUSED the BMW to unavoidably sideswipe the front passenger side of the 4Runner which, in turn, CAUSED the BMW’s trajectory to shift, aiming it squarely at the pedestrians. Speed was not the cause; the cause was most obviously the illegal turn. In your example, you’re claiming that a person’s consumption of illegal drugs CAUSED you to murder that individual?!?! You’re either a foolish simpleton or a devious criminal. You undoubtedly side with the ignorance of the masses.

So again you’re saying it’s all the 4Runner’s fault?

This person has to know the BMW driver, right? No one would go to this level or crazy otherwise.

It actually doesn't matter if the Toyota could see the BMW if they normally would have had time to complete the turn but for excessive speed. Our brains are actually really really bad at gauging speed in those situations and so it actually takes your brain a while to realize someone's going significantly faster than they're supposed to.
The speeding car is at fault here. And the whole "how do you know the speed was excessive"? Because we have eyes. A crash at 35 isn't going to cause that level of car damage and still have the speed to take out a pole.

No, he doesn't know the BMW driver. I highly doubt he's ever been on Blake Ln even. He is a lowlife troll who has nothing better to do with his life than posting BS to rile people up. Ignore him.

+ 1

I think you are on to something. Especially after his post midnight rant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again with the charged speculation that the BMW was driving excessively! No, no, no! This is total nonsense based on an opinion provided by law enforcement, not based on witnessed or material facts. There exists no data to substantiate this claim. There are, however, eyewitnesses that clearly observed the Toyota 4Runner initiating an illegal left turn, violating the right-of-way of three pedestrians in a cross walk and then stopping in the middle of the turn, blocking the southbound lane, and thereby causing the accident. This illegal action precedes any such of the BMW and nullifies any wrongdoing by said driver.

And, for all the brainiacs on this thread that claim the Toyota 4Runner couldn’t see the BMW when initiating the turn due to the blind curve north of the intersection between Five Oaks and Blake Lane…this is total stupidity. The blind curve is approximately 900 ft away from the site of the crash. It takes a vehicle approximately 4 seconds to commence and complete a left turn across a divided two lane highway. The aforementioned assertion can only hold true if the BMW was traveling at a rate of 900 ft per 4 seconds = 0.17 miles per 4 seconds = 2.56 miles per minute = 153 MPH. This is how fast the BMW would have to have been driving if, indeed, the Toyota started turning without having seen the oncoming BMW. A near impossibility…unless you possess the clairvoyant math skills deductive reasoning of the average DCUM poster, I suppose. [/

This is not even worth responding to, but okay:
35mph = 51.3 ft per second. 900 ft = about 17.5 seconds. That’s more than enough for your BMW driver to slow down and give way to a vehicle that is already in the intersection and let it complete its turn. It’s only reasonable to do so. This scenario fails if the 4Runner was out of his mind and made the turn when the BMW was clearly too close for him to pass. Even so, if both vehicles were at such low speed, the crash wouldn’t have created enough impact to push the BMW into the trajectory that it did go on. Can you explain with your physics how it ended up the way it did if your BMW was indeed in the vicinity of 35mph? How much speed and how much weight must the 4Runner be to turn your BMW into a flying bulldozer that ran over 3 girls and took down a pole? Entertain me, I’m curious.

[Anonymous]

Seems like BMW has created a reckless rich kid narrative and trolls are trying their best to screw this kid. I firmly believe tat 4Runner left turn contributed significantly to the crash. Let the forensics decide....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read this whole thread by a long shot but I don’t understand the person trying to argue that the BMW was NOT driving at a reckless speed. What about the teen who was 50 feet behind the girls who was interviewed by the press? He said the BMW was going so crazy fast that he turned away from it as it passed, and missed observing I
the impact, because it was going at such a crazy speed.

Plus another witness who lives in that area—had never seen a car there driven that fast.

[Anonymous]

Looks like 4Runner supporters are trying to deflect the responsibility

[Anonymous]

Looks like the BMW driver was just charged with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter. Looking at 20+ years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the BMW driver was just charged with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter. Looking at 20+ years.

Here is a link: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/driver-18-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/3083850/