Official TJ Admissions Decisions Results for the Class of 2025

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

Because we are talking about prepping. When Asians prep, it’s evil and when others prep, it’s enrichment.

There is no equivalency between travel sports and publicly funded elite educational opportunities.

No it has the same effect and it skews admissions heavily in favor of those who do it.

Are you talking about scholarship athletes who compete for the school? Those kids are creating value for the university through what they do on the field, or the court, or whatever. They bring in ticket revenue, donations, alumni engagement….. how many Ls do you want to take today?

Don’t limit to travel teams only and include public high school teams as well. Also, there are dozens of college sports teams not just football and basketball. In addition, not all football and basketball teams generate revenues. Only about top 2-3 percent of all colleges and universities’ football and basketball teams generate revenues Don’t mislead people.

Do you know the difference between revenue and profit?

Also, plenty of athletes who want to go to high-academic schools don’t make the cut academically.

Stop with this tangential drivel.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

OR

2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

OR

2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

Agreed. It's a fact of life that a competitive process raises the end result in everything. If you have motivated people working hard for the same goal, everyone gets better excepts those unwilling to work hard.

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

+1

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

OR

2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

Working hard is one thing. Paying for strategies to succeed on an exam that basically measures test taking ability is quite another.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

+1

+2

that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

OR

2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

Working hard is one thing. Paying for strategies to succeed on an exam that basically measures test taking ability is quite another.

So we should ban prepping for SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, LSAT, MCAT etc. as well as those exams themselves. Prepping confers advantages to test takers prepping for those so we can’t have that. Wait, Asians are not the majority of test takers for those exams so I guess that will never happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

+1

+2

that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

OR

2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

Working hard is one thing. Paying for strategies to succeed on an exam that basically measures test taking ability is quite another.

So we should ban prepping for SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, LSAT, MCAT etc. as well as those exams themselves. Prepping confers advantages to test takers prepping for those so we can’t have that. Wait, Asians are not the majority of test takers for those exams so I guess that will never happen.

I mean, all of that would be cool by me. But I only have a vote and a voice in what goes on in FCPS. And I only have deep knowledge and experience with TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

Isn’t it about 1-5 thousand per year is hi h works out to about 30-40 per hour?

Also, I think the courses are open to anyone interested but of course lazy ones don’t attend. I hear white parents prefer private one to one prepping by paying hundreds of dollars per hour so that they can deny any prepping which is funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

Isn’t it about 1-5 thousand per year is hi h works out to about 30-40 per hour?

Also, I think the courses are open to anyone interested but of course lazy ones don’t attend. I hear white parents prefer private one to one prepping by paying hundreds of dollars per hour so that they can deny any prepping which is funny.

You’re still talking about an insane investment of time for a 12 year old kid. Not to mention the amount of pressure that that massive expenditure places on them.

Those of us who are pro-reform, to be clear, are against the idea of any sort of admissions system that is easily optimized by spending large sums of money that many people don’t have. We hate when white people are jerks too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

Isn’t it about 1-5 thousand per year is hi h works out to about 30-40 per hour?

Also, I think the courses are open to anyone interested but of course lazy ones don’t attend. I hear white parents prefer private one to one prepping by paying hundreds of dollars per hour so that they can deny any prepping which is funny.

You’re still talking about an insane investment of time for a 12 year old kid. Not to mention the amount of pressure that that massive expenditure places on them.

Those of us who are pro-reform, to be clear, are against the idea of any sort of admissions system that is easily optimized by spending large sums of money that many people don’t have. We hate when white people are jerks too.

+1000. And again - that’s fine if that’s what you want to put your kid through. No one can tell you how to parent your kid.

But that kind of behavior shouldn’t be incentivized or rewarded by the TJ admissions process. And before things were fixed, it was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

Isn’t it about 1-5 thousand per year is hi h works out to about 30-40 per hour?

Also, I think the courses are open to anyone interested but of course lazy ones don’t attend. I hear white parents prefer private one to one prepping by paying hundreds of dollars per hour so that they can deny any prepping which is funny.

You’re still talking about an insane investment of time for a 12 year old kid. Not to mention the amount of pressure that that massive expenditure places on them.

Those of us who are pro-reform, to be clear, are against the idea of any sort of admissions system that is easily optimized by spending large sums of money that many people don’t have. We hate when white people are jerks too.

Indian dad here. DS is entering 7th grade. We are so relieved that we don’t feel any pressure any more to pay for tutoring. Our boy wants to go to TJ but I wouldn’t have felt like I was doing everything I could if we didn’t do something like Curie.

Maybe he gets in, maybe he doesn’t, but he doesn’t have to spend his whole 7th grade year studying for the quant. Far more productive things to do with his time.

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

Isn’t it about 1-5 thousand per year is hi h works out to about 30-40 per hour?

Also, I think the courses are open to anyone interested but of course lazy ones don’t attend. I hear white parents prefer private one to one prepping by paying hundreds of dollars per hour so that they can deny any prepping which is funny.

You’re still talking about an insane investment of time for a 12 year old kid. Not to mention the amount of pressure that that massive expenditure places on them.

Those of us who are pro-reform, to be clear, are against the idea of any sort of admissions system that is easily optimized by spending large sums of money that many people don’t have. We hate when white people are jerks too.

+1000. And again - that’s fine if that’s what you want to put your kid through. No one can tell you how to parent your kid.

But that kind of behavior shouldn’t be incentivized or rewarded by the TJ admissions process. And before things were fixed, it was.

No pain no gain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

How is prepping relevant to this TJ 'reform' change?

Because apparently the biggest and most successful provider of it charges $5K for their flagship that literally only serves students of one race.

Isn’t it about 1-5 thousand per year is hi h works out to about 30-40 per hour?

Also, I think the courses are open to anyone interested but of course lazy ones don’t attend. I hear white parents prefer private one to one prepping by paying hundreds of dollars per hour so that they can deny any prepping which is funny.

You’re still talking about an insane investment of time for a 12 year old kid. Not to mention the amount of pressure that that massive expenditure places on them.

Those of us who are pro-reform, to be clear, are against the idea of any sort of admissions system that is easily optimized by spending large sums of money that many people don’t have. We hate when white people are jerks too.

+1000. And again - that’s fine if that’s what you want to put your kid through. No one can tell you how to parent your kid.

But that kind of behavior shouldn’t be incentivized or rewarded by the TJ admissions process. And before things were fixed, it was.

No pain no gain.

A lot of what I’ve witnessed at TJ makes a lot more sense when you see nonsense like “no pain, no gain” applied to 12 year olds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

+1

+2

that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

OR

2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

Working hard is one thing. Paying for strategies to succeed on an exam that basically measures test taking ability is quite another.

I'm not automatically going to assume that you're not a biased hatemonger and that those prep programs don't impart any legitimate intellectual growth.