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Whatever the case, and whether or not someone agrees that prep obscures merit, it's rude and condemnable that some people would try to villainize families for legally prioritizing their spending on education. |
White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents. |
You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost. Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities: 1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage. OR 2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years. There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market. |
1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage. Response: Where is any evidence that there are "substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered"? In addition, the test is ridiculously easy for most Asian students and passing the test will not result in getting "offered". You show your ignorance by not even being aware of the admissions process prior to 2021. Passing the test only moves you to the semi-finalist stage and the admissions office then reviews LoRs, essays, SIS, GPA etc. to make the "offers". 2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years. Response: Who are you to dictate how parents choose to parent and educate their children? Nobody is forcing you to send your kids to prep centers or SAT tutoring, sport teams, private tutoring and other activities. Asian parents may spend 1 or 2 K a year to send their kids to prep centers but white parents spend much more than that on private one on one academic tutoring, private SAT tutoring etc. These costs $100-$500 per hour. |
Oh man, you are throwing down with the wrong person here. I know the previous admissions process better than just about anyone on this board. Here’s why the prep mattered on the admissions exam: 1) Making the semifinalist pool wasn’t about achieving some hard and fast cutoff score. Students had to achieve a percentile score relative to the rest of the population that was taking each of the three exams to qualify - meaning that if one student gets a better score, that makes someone else’s score look worse. Students had to score in the 75th percentile or above on the ACT Aspire English and either 75th or above on both the Quant-Q and the ACT Aspire Science, or 50th on QQ and 90th on Science. Prep was readily available for the ACT Aspires, but NOT for the Quant-Q, which was selected by Admissions precisely because it was a secured exam. Even so, a student could score in the 99th percentile on Math and Science - but if that kid was 74th percentile on English, they were out of luck. So if you have a huge chunk of kids who are artificially raising their scores through prep, that’s not only getting kids into the semifinalist pool who don’t belong there - it’s also removing kids who DO belong in the pool. Not good. 2) Your assertion that the admissions committee “moves on” to the other areas of the application once the semifinalists are selected and does not use the exam scores is incorrect. The exam scores were included in the applicant profile - this was part of the presentation every year - and the statistics that the admissions office showed every year showed huge jumps between the average percentiles of semifinalists versus offered students - especially in (you guessed it!) the Quant-Q. I would also challenge your assertion that the previous exams were “ridiculously easy for most Asian students”. Kinda showed your true colors on that one. Tldr don’t come at me and tell me that I don’t know the old process. Shame on you. |
Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too. |
Part 2: I don’t dictate at all how parents spend their money - but places like Curie do when they advertise that they have 28% of the incoming class. When they post the first and last names of kids in your community whose parents made the investment, and when the TJ bumper sticker has such enormous value in your community… That’s why they post the list. To tell you that others are spending money on their product and they got what you want. |
How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all? |
Because we are talking about prepping. When Asians prep, it’s evil and when others prep, it’s enrichment. |
Where is the evidence large number of students only make the cut because of prep centers? |
There is no equivalency between travel sports and publicly funded elite educational opportunities. |
No it has the same effect and it skews admissions heavily in favor of those who do it. |
Are you talking about scholarship athletes who compete for the school? Those kids are creating value for the university through what they do on the field, or the court, or whatever. They bring in ticket revenue, donations, alumni engagement….. how many Ls do you want to take today? |
Don’t limit to travel teams only and include public high school teams as well. Also, there are dozens of college sports teams not just football and basketball. In addition, not all football and basketball teams generate revenues. Only about top 2-3 percent of all colleges and universities’ football and basketball teams generate revenues Don’t mislead people. |
Do you know the difference between revenue and profit? Also, plenty of athletes who want to go to high-academic schools don’t make the cut academically. |