McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS

[Anonymous]

Good for the MCA to explore. I’m sure they’ll coordinate with the GFCA as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to why PP revived a thread that had been quiet for about a week regarding an idea that had been thoroughly discussed and won’t come to pass any earlier than 2024, if ever. It seems insecure and, as PP noted, browbeating people about why they must go along with a status quo they find unacceptable will only make them more likely to challenge it.

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The insecurity of those against this is palpable. Very telling.

I’d say it’s the rich and entitled white folks pushing this idea of separation who are insecure.

I suggest that you look up the word insecure as you don't seem to understand it's meaning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's the obsession with forcing in minorities to exceed the neighborhood norms? Just let it go and allow mclean to manage their own schools, budgets and taxes

+1 it's exhausting

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Beyond exhausting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to why PP revived a thread that had been quiet for about a week regarding an idea that had been thoroughly discussed and won’t come to pass any earlier than 2024, if ever. It seems insecure and, as PP noted, browbeating people about why they must go along with a status quo they find unacceptable will only make them more likely to challenge it.

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The insecurity of those against this is palpable. Very telling.

I’d say it’s the rich and entitled white folks pushing this idea of separation who are insecure.

Yes, it’s shocking that those who have contributed the most to FCPS yet received the least would finally say enough is enough. Shocking!

Question: why would you care if McLean/Great Falls left FCPS? Be very specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to why PP revived a thread that had been quiet for about a week regarding an idea that had been thoroughly discussed and won’t come to pass any earlier than 2024, if ever. It seems insecure and, as PP noted, browbeating people about why they must go along with a status quo they find unacceptable will only make them more likely to challenge it.

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The insecurity of those against this is palpable. Very telling.

I’d say it’s the rich and entitled white folks pushing this idea of separation who are insecure.

You can say whatever you want. Dissatisfaction with the status quo and insecurity are different things. If this goes forward in the coming years, the supporters won’t be limited to white people.

Definitely not. Though unless they are black or Hispanic, they don’t count.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to why PP revived a thread that had been quiet for about a week regarding an idea that had been thoroughly discussed and won’t come to pass any earlier than 2024, if ever. It seems insecure and, as PP noted, browbeating people about why they must go along with a status quo they find unacceptable will only make them more likely to challenge it.

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The insecurity of those against this is palpable. Very telling.

I’d say it’s the rich and entitled white folks pushing this idea of separation who are insecure.

You can say whatever you want. Dissatisfaction with the status quo and insecurity are different things. If this goes forward in the coming years, the supporters won’t be limited to white people.

Oh, come now. Have the courage to call this whole charade for what it is: A bunch of UMC white people in McLean want their own little privileged and exclusive enclave so they hyperbolize about how bad the schools are and how bad FCC is.

DP. It’s not FCC. At least know what you’re talking about. And it’s clear you’ve never set foot in McLean or you’d know just how many non-white people live here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.

Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.

Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.

McLean is 2% black and 4% Hispanic. Would you like to try again?

DP here, someone hasn't really looked at census data...

McLean has 24% foreign born population. (65% is Asian, 19% is European, 10% is South American, 2% North American). McLean overall has a higher number of European immigrants than NoVa as a whole.

Languages spoken (28% speak a langauge other than English at home):
9.6% Indo-European (50% higher than NoVa as a whole)
13.9% Asian Languages (200% higher than NoVa as a whole)
2.7% Spanish


I could go into ancestry, and things get even more diverse, but no lets cling to the fantasy that McLean only has 6% of "diversity".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a great idea. And it will be even better if there can be a wall built around McLean to keep the low-lifes out. Residents could get a tag that would allow quicker access at the gate. Visitors would have to pay a fee and undergo a check.

Agreed. And anyone moving to McLean would have to pass a background check to make sure they are of the right demographic. As a PP mentioned up thread, we don’t our resources to help those living in Annandale or Springfield. So we must ensure that only a certain demographic can move to McLean.

Stop making this about demographics, McLean has a very diverse population. These guilt trips don’t work anymore, we want better for our community and that’s what is behind this idea.

McLean is 2% black and 4% Hispanic. Would you like to try again?

DP here, someone hasn't really looked at census data...

McLean has 24% foreign born population. (65% is Asian, 19% is European, 10% is South American, 2% North American). McLean overall has a higher number of European immigrants than NoVa as a whole.

Languages spoken (28% speak a langauge other than English at home):
9.6% Indo-European (50% higher than NoVa as a whole)
13.9% Asian Languages (200% higher than NoVa as a whole)
2.7% Spanish


I could go into ancestry, and things get even more diverse, but no lets cling to the fantasy that McLean only has 6% of "diversity".

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But simpletons, like the PP, only consider diversity to be black and/or Hispanic. Nothing else will do. Morons.

[Anonymous]

Mclean is the best diversity, affluent immigrants that care about education but not the right diversity for FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Better schools are your likely benefit, but you're giving up a lot and it's going to cost you a ton. You lose all county services, not just schools but police, fire, 9-11, snow removal, trash collection--McLean will have to go out and buy garbage trucks and plows and road pavers and gravel etc. You don't have any staff who have any idea how to do that because there is no McLean government. You'll have to hire all of them as well. You'll also get *less* funding from the state than you do now for roads and everything else. The reason Arlington ever incorporated was that state funding was more favorable to counties. All this to say, your schools will benefit, but you'll pay a lot more in taxes and there will be severe growing pains.

[Anonymous]

Not going to happen. The Virginia legislature has been extending this moratorium since the 1987, and they will either extend it in 2024, or make it a permanent ban.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Better schools are your likely benefit, but you're giving up a lot and it's going to cost you a ton. You lose all county services, not just schools but police, fire, 9-11, snow removal, trash collection--McLean will have to go out and buy garbage trucks and plows and road pavers and gravel etc. You don't have any staff who have any idea how to do that because there is no McLean government. You'll have to hire all of them as well. You'll also get *less* funding from the state than you do now for roads and everything else. The reason Arlington ever incorporated was that state funding was more favorable to counties. All this to say, your schools will benefit, but you'll pay a lot more in taxes and there will be severe growing pains.

Even if this is true, if we çan see those tax dollars at work in our community then it's worth it.

Why are some so invested in this not working?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Better schools are your likely benefit, but you're giving up a lot and it's going to cost you a ton. You lose all county services, not just schools but police, fire, 9-11, snow removal, trash collection--McLean will have to go out and buy garbage trucks and plows and road pavers and gravel etc. You don't have any staff who have any idea how to do that because there is no McLean government. You'll have to hire all of them as well. You'll also get *less* funding from the state than you do now for roads and everything else. The reason Arlington ever incorporated was that state funding was more favorable to counties. All this to say, your schools will benefit, but you'll pay a lot more in taxes and there will be severe growing pains.

Even if this is true, if we çan see those tax dollars at work in our community then it's worth it.

Why are some so invested in this not working?

Police, fire, can be contacted out to FX. Garbage? Most of FX county residents have private haulers. Some big hOA s or Reston Clusters have contracts with private haulers. The majority of the 90% with no county trash and recycling have their own contracts with a hauler.

Which roads are VDOT and which are county? Frisch - Providence District- is diverting the bond money for the new Fairfax/Oakton Elementary School to reopening Dun Loring to relieve the Shrevewood mess. Mclean-Langley send 342 to TJ. The Dec 7 boundary adjustment info ignored that entire issue- no impact on those 2 schools?

Chantilly- chronically overcrowded and sends many to TJ. Impact? The Mclean boundary change data is simply outrageous considering the TJ change that was pending and now a fact. Frisch stopped Blake Lane Park while the West Potomac POS addition is out to bid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Better schools are your likely benefit, but you're giving up a lot and it's going to cost you a ton. You lose all county services, not just schools but police, fire, 9-11, snow removal, trash collection--McLean will have to go out and buy garbage trucks and plows and road pavers and gravel etc. You don't have any staff who have any idea how to do that because there is no McLean government. You'll have to hire all of them as well. You'll also get *less* funding from the state than you do now for roads and everything else. The reason Arlington ever incorporated was that state funding was more favorable to counties. All this to say, your schools will benefit, but you'll pay a lot more in taxes and there will be severe growing pains.

Even if this is true, if we çan see those tax dollars at work in our community then it's worth it.

Why are some so invested in this not working?

Because some people actually know the true costs that are involved (both near-term and long-term). I live in McLean. I have two kids presently enrolled in McLean HS. My professional background includes public administration and city management. I am steadfastly opposed to this community becoming its own city. Even if the moratorium expires in 2024 (unlikely), even if McLean were able to agree upon proposed boundaries with the county (very unlikely), and even if residents in the new proposed city voted to incorporate (more unlikely than some posters on this thread want to believe), the tax burden in McLean would quickly drive many affluent people and businesses into the numerous other affluent communities that would remain part of Fairfax County.

We're not talking about establishing a new city out in the desert somewhere with a low COL. We're talking about establishing a new city in an area with a very high COL. People who think a "City of McLean" could just contract out city services to the county would be in for a rude awakening. The county has no obligation to provide those services, and likely wouldn't. So, "city" taxpayers, among other things, would be on the hook to support a mayor, city council, city attorney, city clerk, city manager, inspections department, communications office, emergency communications infrastructure, social/human services department, tax assessment and collection, fire department, general services and procurement office, finance department, health department, housing department, human resources office, IT, auditor, library system, budget office, planning and zoning department, police department, likely some office dedicated to performance excellence in city operations, parks and recreation department (which would likely involve buying existing park land from the county that falls within the city limits), highway department (includes highway design, highway maintenance, and payments to WMATA), voter registration and elections office, and, of course, a new school division.

So, this is why not everyone in McLean would be supportive of separating from Fairfax County, including those with kids in McLean area schools. If you're really unhappy with McLean HS and FCPS, then you're probably going to be happier moving.

[Anonymous]

Falls Church City says otherwise. It’s a smaller jurisdiction than a new McLean City would be and people move into FCC to avoid the horrible bureaucracy and mismanagement of FCPS.

Either McLean and Great Falls organize hard to separate from FCPS or they watch their communities deteriorate as FCPS lets McLean HS stagnate and eventually finds a way to shovel 1/2 of Great Falls out of Langley HS into Herndon HS. Lackluster do-nothing elected officials like John Foust and Elaine Tholen won’t do a thing for us and, even if they had a backbone, they’d get steamrolled by those in control of FC/FCPS now - a coalition of SJWs and pork-barrel politicians from southern Fairfax United in their desire to deliver as few services to Great Falls and McLean as possible, but more than happy to take our tax dollars.