Official Abortion Thread

[Anonymous]

God's plan for animals includes abortion rights.

A female osprey in Montana whose nest the Cornell Lab or Ornithology has been observing for years via streaming cam stopped incubating her eggs and abandoned the nest a week ago. Today a raven came by and took the eggs.

It turns out that the male osprey, who's responsible for feeding her and the chicks had taken up with another female a mile away, and wasn't bringing any food at all. He'd only show up once in a while to copulate.

Although the female is a devoted and experienced mom who's raised somewhere around two dozen chicks or more during her long life (virtually all of them with another male that died) and a fierce huntress who can catch prey within minutes of leaving the nest, her offspring would almost certainly be doomed to dying from hypothermia or predation if she had to leave them in the early weeks to go fish.

Last year, the male was such a poor provider that two of her three chicks died of starvation, the second one slowly and excruciatingly.

Read all about Iris the Osprey at the Hellgate Osprey Web Cam.

[Anonymous]

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What differrnce does the reason matter? No woman should be forced to have a child against her will and I do not care who the father is!

Perfect. Have tubes tightened, shots, birth control pills or close the legs. Whatever it takes to not get pregnant. After doing all these and still have babies, then there should be different debate.

can you say that again but in english this time

DP. Only use abortions if contraception was really used but failed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God's plan for animals includes abortion rights.

A female osprey in Montana whose nest the Cornell Lab or Ornithology has been observing for years via streaming cam stopped incubating her eggs and abandoned the nest a week ago. Today a raven came by and took the eggs.

It turns out that the male osprey, who's responsible for feeding her and the chicks had taken up with another female a mile away, and wasn't bringing any food at all. He'd only show up once in a while to copulate.

Although the female is a devoted and experienced mom who's raised somewhere around two dozen chicks or more during her long life (virtually all of them with another male that died) and a fierce huntress who can catch prey within minutes of leaving the nest, her offspring would almost certainly be doomed to dying from hypothermia or predation if she had to leave them in the early weeks to go fish.

Last year, the male was such a poor provider that two of her three chicks died of starvation, the second one slowly and excruciatingly.

Read all about Iris the Osprey at the Hellgate Osprey Web Cam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God's plan for animals includes abortion rights.

A female osprey in Montana whose nest the Cornell Lab or Ornithology has been observing for years via streaming cam stopped incubating her eggs and abandoned the nest a week ago. Today a raven came by and took the eggs.

It turns out that the male osprey, who's responsible for feeding her and the chicks had taken up with another female a mile away, and wasn't bringing any food at all. He'd only show up once in a while to copulate.

Although the female is a devoted and experienced mom who's raised somewhere around two dozen chicks or more during her long life (virtually all of them with another male that died) and a fierce huntress who can catch prey within minutes of leaving the nest, her offspring would almost certainly be doomed to dying from hypothermia or predation if she had to leave them in the early weeks to go fish.

Last year, the male was such a poor provider that two of her three chicks died of starvation, the second one slowly and excruciatingly.

Read all about Iris the Osprey at the Hellgate Osprey Web Cam.

Matricide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God's plan for animals includes abortion rights.

A female osprey in Montana whose nest the Cornell Lab or Ornithology has been observing for years via streaming cam stopped incubating her eggs and abandoned the nest a week ago. Today a raven came by and took the eggs.

It turns out that the male osprey, who's responsible for feeding her and the chicks had taken up with another female a mile away, and wasn't bringing any food at all. He'd only show up once in a while to copulate.

Although the female is a devoted and experienced mom who's raised somewhere around two dozen chicks or more during her long life (virtually all of them with another male that died) and a fierce huntress who can catch prey within minutes of leaving the nest, her offspring would almost certainly be doomed to dying from hypothermia or predation if she had to leave them in the early weeks to go fish.

Last year, the male was such a poor provider that two of her three chicks died of starvation, the second one slowly and excruciatingly.

Read all about Iris the Osprey at the Hellgate Osprey Web Cam.

Matricide.

Um, no. Matricide is killing one's mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What differrnce does the reason matter? No woman should be forced to have a child against her will and I do not care who the father is!

Perfect. Have tubes tightened, shots, birth control pills or close the legs. Whatever it takes to not get pregnant. After doing all these and still have babies, then there should be different debate.

can you say that again but in english this time

DP. Only use abortions if contraception was really used but failed.

How are you going to determine that contraceptives actually were used before allowing the Abortion?

[Anonymous]

GOP: Women who want abortions are irresponsible, morally inept and heartless.

More GOP: They should also be mothers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You cannot preach the sanctity of life until access to safe and reliable contraceptives is freely available to poor, uninsured, working poor and those financially struggling

Along with an incentive to use the safe and reliable contraception.

Are you saying some women do want to experience a crisis pregnancy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God's plan for animals includes abortion rights.

A female osprey in Montana whose nest the Cornell Lab or Ornithology has been observing for years via streaming cam stopped incubating her eggs and abandoned the nest a week ago. Today a raven came by and took the eggs.

It turns out that the male osprey, who's responsible for feeding her and the chicks had taken up with another female a mile away, and wasn't bringing any food at all. He'd only show up once in a while to copulate.

Although the female is a devoted and experienced mom who's raised somewhere around two dozen chicks or more during her long life (virtually all of them with another male that died) and a fierce huntress who can catch prey within minutes of leaving the nest, her offspring would almost certainly be doomed to dying from hypothermia or predation if she had to leave them in the early weeks to go fish.

Last year, the male was such a poor provider that two of her three chicks died of starvation, the second one slowly and excruciatingly.

Read all about Iris the Osprey at the Hellgate Osprey Web Cam.

Oh my god, read Sara Blaffer Hrdy. The animal kingdom is very much into controlling reproduction. And if you think abortion is bad, you ought to read about Victorian orphanages.

[Anonymous]

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look, I'm sorry you don't like these reasons. I get it.

BUT, then help us to reduce the need by providing free birth control (including LARCS), comprehensive sex education (not abstinence only propaganda), affordable and accessible health care, assistance to low income mothers and children and affordable and accessible child care.

If you aren't willing to do these things, the need for abortion will remain.

Even if you do all these things, the need for abortion will remain. Think about all these Amnio/CVS tests and the reason for them. Would they be even necessary, why were they invented in the first place if every pregnancy must go to term? Should a woman who finds out her next baby, a wanted baby, has terrible chromosomal abnormalities be forced to have the baby? Should a girl who is held against her will or brainwashed and raped be forced to have a baby when she finally breaks free and has a chance to take a pg test? Should a woman with health issues or mental issues or drug addictions be forced to have a baby? It's not about contraception and education or even health care, it's also about life and circumstances that are often outside of one's control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster from p 37 (1:14) who described why I considered abortion for both my planned pregnancies due to complications. Luckily I didn’t need that option either time, but it changed my perspective on the value of having later abortions available. I find abortion really unappealing - obviously access to contraception, sex Ed, and support for children who are born (healthcare, food, shelter...) is needed - but I also think women shouldn’t be forced to be pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant.

Someone wrote laws would affect women like me ... the thing is I know women whose families flew them to Europe for abortions and assume it would be the same (ie wealthy women would still have options). I was talking to my mom, who lives in GA, and she said “oh, I haven’t been following it. Women can just fly or drive to another state. That’s what people did before Roe.” The new laws criminalize this. Regardless, women who can’t afford a bus ticket or who don’t have ready access to health care (or women and girls who never had access to sex Ed and reliable contraception) seem more likely to be the ones having pregnancies they don’t want - it will continue cycles of poverty while wealthier women, the ones who could more easily raise children, continue to have options.


Someone asked why liberals are against adoption. Most women in America do not receive any paid maternity leave. For my second child I depleted all my sick leave during the pregnancy. In a different job (ie one without telework) I suspect I would have lost my job during my modified bedrest / first trimester. I also know I hemorrhaged giving birth to my first child and had a very hard time with post-partum depression.

It’s not a stretch for me to imagine a woman worried about her ability to house / clothe / feed / care for a child who can’t risk the complications of pregnancy and delivery and the unpaid recovery period afterward, especially if she already has children to care for. Add to that the stigma involved of (for instance) a 14 year old giving birth; or married parents of multiple children giving away a child (and the older children knowing they have a sibling the parents gave away) etc. That’s not even considering being forced to carry a pregnancy to term that you know isn’t viable; or was caused by a brutal attack etc. i don’t even consider myself very liberal, but it does seem to me that there is a lot of overlap between people who want to ban abortion and people who want to take away access to birth control and safety nets and then slut shame women / girls who carry unwanted pregnancies to term.

PP. in your situation, you make a very good case for adoption. With your complications and financial hardship caused by the pregnancies, it might have been better for you to adopt children, particularly after your first difficult pregnancy. Women who adopt may not need as extensive maternity leave as they’re bodies do not endure the rigors of childbirth and could get back to work sooner.

I’m the pp - my point was intended to be about why women would abort rather than carry a pregnancy to term and place the baby for adoption. I had the resources, health care, partner etc to overcome my challenges but many women if they needed bedrest, or frequent medical appointments (ie all pregnant women) would risk losing a job. Especially if clinics are defunded and women’s health care providers are a long bus ride away. Without safety nets it is unreasonable to expect women who don’t want to be pregnant would all choose to risk economic ruin or health risks when abortion allows them to avoid those.

[Anonymous]

Guy rapes a 12 year old serves 6 months in prison

He gets out, rapes another teenagers and serves four years in prison


"Mirasolo could have been sentenced to 25 years to life for the sexual assault of Tiffany, but was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge of attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct.

He was released from jail in July 2009. In March 2010, he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old Deckerville girl and later pleaded guilty to fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct. Mirasolo was paroled in July 2016, according to a state corrections database."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/10/17/sex-offender-custody-case-hearing/106736162/


https://nypost.com/2017/10/09/convicted-rapist-gets-joint-custody-of-victims-child/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Really says a lot about our justice system if you punish a woman seeking abortion more than you punish a child rapist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What differrnce does the reason matter? No woman should be forced to have a child against her will and I do not care who the father is!

Perfect. Have tubes tightened, shots, birth control pills or close the legs. Whatever it takes to not get pregnant. After doing all these and still have babies, then there should be different debate.

can you say that again but in english this time

DP. Only use abortions if contraception was really used but failed.

Why aren’t condoms on the list?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m the poster from p 37 (1:14) who described why I considered abortion for both my planned pregnancies due to complications. Luckily I didn’t need that option either time, but it changed my perspective on the value of having later abortions available. I find abortion really unappealing - obviously access to contraception, sex Ed, and support for children who are born (healthcare, food, shelter...) is needed - but I also think women shouldn’t be forced to be pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant.

Someone wrote laws would affect women like me ... the thing is I know women whose families flew them to Europe for abortions and assume it would be the same (ie wealthy women would still have options). I was talking to my mom, who lives in GA, and she said “oh, I haven’t been following it. Women can just fly or drive to another state. That’s what people did before Roe.” The new laws criminalize this. Regardless, women who can’t afford a bus ticket or who don’t have ready access to health care (or women and girls who never had access to sex Ed and reliable contraception) seem more likely to be the ones having pregnancies they don’t want - it will continue cycles of poverty while wealthier women, the ones who could more easily raise children, continue to have options.


Someone asked why liberals are against adoption. Most women in America do not receive any paid maternity leave. For my second child I depleted all my sick leave during the pregnancy. In a different job (ie one without telework) I suspect I would have lost my job during my modified bedrest / first trimester. I also know I hemorrhaged giving birth to my first child and had a very hard time with post-partum depression.

It’s not a stretch for me to imagine a woman worried about her ability to house / clothe / feed / care for a child who can’t risk the complications of pregnancy and delivery and the unpaid recovery period afterward, especially if she already has children to care for. Add to that the stigma involved of (for instance) a 14 year old giving birth; or married parents of multiple children giving away a child (and the older children knowing they have a sibling the parents gave away) etc. That’s not even considering being forced to carry a pregnancy to term that you know isn’t viable; or was caused by a brutal attack etc. i don’t even consider myself very liberal, but it does seem to me that there is a lot of overlap between people who want to ban abortion and people who want to take away access to birth control and safety nets and then slut shame women / girls who carry unwanted pregnancies to term.

PP. in your situation, you make a very good case for adoption. With your complications and financial hardship caused by the pregnancies, it might have been better for you to adopt children, particularly after your first difficult pregnancy. Women who adopt may not need as extensive maternity leave as they’re bodies do not endure the rigors of childbirth and could get back to work sooner.

I’m the pp - my point was intended to be about why women would abort rather than carry a pregnancy to term and place the baby for adoption. I had the resources, health care, partner etc to overcome my challenges but many women if they needed bedrest, or frequent medical appointments (ie all pregnant women) would risk losing a job. Especially if clinics are defunded and women’s health care providers are a long bus ride away. Without safety nets it is unreasonable to expect women who don’t want to be pregnant would all choose to risk economic ruin or health risks when abortion allows them to avoid those.

When did women become baby making machines for the more privileged?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guy rapes a 12 year old serves 6 months in prison

He gets out, rapes another teenagers and serves four years in prison


"Mirasolo could have been sentenced to 25 years to life for the sexual assault of Tiffany, but was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge of attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct.

He was released from jail in July 2009. In March 2010, he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old Deckerville girl and later pleaded guilty to fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct. Mirasolo was paroled in July 2016, according to a state corrections database."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/10/17/sex-offender-custody-case-hearing/106736162/


https://nypost.com/2017/10/09/convicted-rapist-gets-joint-custody-of-victims-child/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Really says a lot about our justice system if you punish a woman seeking abortion more than you punish a child rapist

I'll bet that there would have been a different outcome if "this young man" had gone through the court system in Alabama or Texas.