TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

You are so full crap. Talk about conspiracy theories. LOL at the "not up for debate among serious people" line. No matter how many times this fake news is repeated, no one tries to come forward with a single piece of evidence, witness, or court filing where this is actually alleged or substantiated. It's just parents like you trying to deflect from the truth that your kid just couldn't measure up and didn't get in to TJ. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

You are so full crap. Talk about conspiracy theories. LOL at the "not up for debate among serious people" line. No matter how many times this fake news is repeated, no one tries to come forward with a single piece of evidence, witness, or court filing where this is actually alleged or substantiated. It's just parents like you trying to deflect from the truth that your kid just couldn't measure up and didn't get in to TJ. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I don’t have kids - I just believe the TJ kids who owned up to this publicly because they had absolutely nothing to gain from doing so. There is record of them doing so on a TJ facebook group that is publicly accessible.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

If this were true, they would have gotten rid of the test and left the rest the same.
Instead they made many changes, and didn't mention students having the answers.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

If this were true, they would have gotten rid of the test and left the rest the same.
Instead they made many changes, and didn't mention students having the answers.

You’re misremembering history and conflating cause and effect.

1) They were going to have to scrap the testing protocol anyway for class of 2025 because of the pandemic. There was no way to assess an in-person exam that year in the testing window without endangering thousands of kids and their families.

2) What happened at Curie was an enormous problem, but it was a symptom of a greater problem that has existed with standardized testing for decades - the ability for parents to use them to pose their kids as being brighter than they are through intense preparation. This is how you ended up with so many fake smart kids at TJ over the years who stayed up until all hours of the night on a regular basis just to keep up with material that was too advanced for them. Mental health issues, breakdowns, and self-harm were the result.

The best thing about the new admissions process is that it has disincentivized hyper-advancement in math, which means you have far more kids taking math at the level that they SHOULD be at. Reducing the number of kids in Alg2 and Pre-Calc as freshmen at TJ has thus resulted in a much, much healthier environment where students can be met at the level where they are and helped to get to where they need to be. Crucially important.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

#veryfakenews

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

If this were true, they would have gotten rid of the test and left the rest the same.
Instead they made many changes, and didn't mention students having the answers.

You’re misremembering history and conflating cause and effect.

1) They were going to have to scrap the testing protocol anyway for class of 2025 because of the pandemic. There was no way to assess an in-person exam that year in the testing window without endangering thousands of kids and their families.

2) What happened at Curie was an enormous problem, but it was a symptom of a greater problem that has existed with standardized testing for decades - the ability for parents to use them to pose their kids as being brighter than they are through intense preparation. This is how you ended up with so many fake smart kids at TJ over the years who stayed up until all hours of the night on a regular basis just to keep up with material that was too advanced for them. Mental health issues, breakdowns, and self-harm were the result.

The best thing about the new admissions process is that it has disincentivized hyper-advancement in math, which means you have far more kids taking math at the level that they SHOULD be at. Reducing the number of kids in Alg2 and Pre-Calc as freshmen at TJ has thus resulted in a much, much healthier environment where students can be met at the level where they are and helped to get to where they need to be. Crucially important.

I disagree. TJ was great the way it was. Also, you say there was an "enormous problem" and standardized testing is the culprit. I disagree. Stop making excuses for kids that can't cut it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

#veryfakenews

DP, but really? Everyone all over Northern Virginia, not just in Fairfax, has known for years that this was going on. It wasn’t a secret.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

If this were true, they would have gotten rid of the test and left the rest the same.
Instead they made many changes, and didn't mention students having the answers.

You’re misremembering history and conflating cause and effect.

1) They were going to have to scrap the testing protocol anyway for class of 2025 because of the pandemic. There was no way to assess an in-person exam that year in the testing window without endangering thousands of kids and their families.

2) What happened at Curie was an enormous problem, but it was a symptom of a greater problem that has existed with standardized testing for decades - the ability for parents to use them to pose their kids as being brighter than they are through intense preparation. This is how you ended up with so many fake smart kids at TJ over the years who stayed up until all hours of the night on a regular basis just to keep up with material that was too advanced for them. Mental health issues, breakdowns, and self-harm were the result.

The best thing about the new admissions process is that it has disincentivized hyper-advancement in math, which means you have far more kids taking math at the level that they SHOULD be at. Reducing the number of kids in Alg2 and Pre-Calc as freshmen at TJ has thus resulted in a much, much healthier environment where students can be met at the level where they are and helped to get to where they need to be. Crucially important.

No. Dumbing down the curriculum is not crucially important. There are large numbers of kids throughout FCPS that take Honors Geometry or Algebra II in 8th that, for some reason, don't make it into TJ, but could fill those seats. Just look at the FCAG website. The issue is that supply cannot meet the demand in this county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Exactly!

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

Exactly!

Fakenews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

I don't understand why some people are trying to cover this up. It's not like everyone didn't already know about the cheating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

If this were true, they would have gotten rid of the test and left the rest the same.
Instead they made many changes, and didn't mention students having the answers.

You’re misremembering history and conflating cause and effect.

1) They were going to have to scrap the testing protocol anyway for class of 2025 because of the pandemic. There was no way to assess an in-person exam that year in the testing window without endangering thousands of kids and their families.

2) What happened at Curie was an enormous problem, but it was a symptom of a greater problem that has existed with standardized testing for decades - the ability for parents to use them to pose their kids as being brighter than they are through intense preparation. This is how you ended up with so many fake smart kids at TJ over the years who stayed up until all hours of the night on a regular basis just to keep up with material that was too advanced for them. Mental health issues, breakdowns, and self-harm were the result.

The best thing about the new admissions process is that it has disincentivized hyper-advancement in math, which means you have far more kids taking math at the level that they SHOULD be at. Reducing the number of kids in Alg2 and Pre-Calc as freshmen at TJ has thus resulted in a much, much healthier environment where students can be met at the level where they are and helped to get to where they need to be. Crucially important.

The testing they did have was online under the new process because of the pandemic, so reason #1 is clearly not valid.
'Disincentivized hyper-advancement in math' but replaced this by passing over students capable of higher math, who were not prepped to appear good, and these are the students that would benefit more from TJ's advanced math classes. Giving students weaker classes at TJ is not a good reform.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not in the United States of America. Asians are like 6% of the population so that doesn’t add up. My daughter has 26 Asian students in a class of 31 but the whole state of Virginia is like 7%. SMH

FCPS is about 20% Asian students.

Then it's crazy to think there's discrimination when TJ is like 70% Asian.

Especially since selection is a race-blind process.

Many would prefer to believe in wacky conspiracies even if there's no evidence to support this

My favorite conspiracy theory - Asian kids bought the answers from Curie.

They didn’t buy the answers. They bought access to materials from a secured exam.

That’s not up for debate among serious people who know what is going on in Northern Virginia.

It was clear to everyone that this was going on. Not sure why some are trying to sweep it under the rug. Things had gotten so bad that the school board had to change the admission process since only wealthy applicants could afford to buy their way in.

#veryfakenews

DP, but really? Everyone all over Northern Virginia, not just in Fairfax, has known for years that this was going on. It wasn’t a secret.

So what? Some kids bought the answers; it's not like it was ever really about academic merit anyway, but keeping out the poor who can't afford to buy a golden ticket.