Lockdown at Blair?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We had about 300 arrests. 27 of them were serious. The other 270 were referred for counseling. without knowing what the reason are that the 270 were referred for counseling, we won't know whether or not blacks are targeted more unfairly than whites. If certain actions lead to an arrest then do we care what skin color is involved? But if the decision to arrest is subjective, then yes, I can see how me might have a problem.
Why are kids being arrested and who are these kids?

The 270 were referred for counseling and their arrest doesn't go on their record. How is this being unfair? I would say it's giving them an advantage.

And only 9 of the 300 arrests were initiated by SROs. That's the key number right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hire SRO’s that are trained psychologists or educators (especially special Ed) and train them to be SRO’s.

Don’t take cops with 2 year degrees and shown already to be bad at their job and make them SRO’s.

+1 sounds like a plan. Now, if only MCPS would implement it. But, in the meantime, we need SROs in the schools. The violence in the schools is terrifying.

No, we don't. There was violence in schools when SROs were there.

Not as much. My kid has been assaulted twice this year. It won’t get reported in the 911 stats
though because police weren’t called. If the media is only reporting incidents police have been called for, they are seriously under reporting the violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, this is who you got rid of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1sAKh_vA_c

and this https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/body-camera-police-footage-5-year-old-boy/65-48579fa7-8422-48b4-8f6f-f5361721879a

The exact opposite. Those are not and have never been SROs. They are patrol officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hire SRO’s that are trained psychologists or educators (especially special Ed) and train them to be SRO’s.

Don’t take cops with 2 year degrees and shown already to be bad at their job and make them SRO’s.

+1 sounds like a plan. Now, if only MCPS would implement it. But, in the meantime, we need SROs in the schools. The violence in the schools is terrifying.

No, we don't. There was violence in schools when SROs were there.

Not as much. My kid has been assaulted twice this year. It won’t get reported in the 911 stats
though because police weren’t called. If the media is only reporting incidents police have been called for, they are seriously under reporting the violence.

+1 how many stabbings did we have two years ago vs the first quarter of this year?

Someone stated, there is a vacuum created by removing the SROs because Elrich and BOE did nothing to replace the SRO. So, until they figure it out, bring back the SRO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, this is who you got rid of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1sAKh_vA_c

and this https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/body-camera-police-footage-5-year-old-boy/65-48579fa7-8422-48b4-8f6f-f5361721879a

The exact opposite. Those are not and have never been SROs. They are patrol officers.

Correct. These are not SROs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?

People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.

- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.

Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?

Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.

Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need

And that is what we have now and it’s not working.

So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.

Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.

You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.

Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.

The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.

You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.

In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.

The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story

And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.

Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?

Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?

Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.

Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?

So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?

Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?

Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.

I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.

What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We had about 300 arrests. 27 of them were serious. The other 270 were referred for counseling. without knowing what the reason are that the 270 were referred for counseling, we won't know whether or not blacks are targeted more unfairly than whites. If certain actions lead to an arrest then do we care what skin color is involved? But if the decision to arrest is subjective, then yes, I can see how me might have a problem.
Why are kids being arrested and who are these kids?

The 270 were referred for counseling and their arrest doesn't go on their record. How is this being unfair? I would say it's giving them an advantage.

And only 9 of the 300 arrests were initiated by SROs. That's the key number right there.

They're literally useless. They don't do anything. It's mostly just one crazy poster who works for the police union who won't let this go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We had about 300 arrests. 27 of them were serious. The other 270 were referred for counseling. without knowing what the reason are that the 270 were referred for counseling, we won't know whether or not blacks are targeted more unfairly than whites. If certain actions lead to an arrest then do we care what skin color is involved? But if the decision to arrest is subjective, then yes, I can see how me might have a problem.
Why are kids being arrested and who are these kids?

The 270 were referred for counseling and their arrest doesn't go on their record. How is this being unfair? I would say it's giving them an advantage.

And only 9 of the 300 arrests were initiated by SROs. That's the key number right there.

They're literally useless. They don't do anything. It's mostly just one crazy poster who works for the police union who won't let this go.

um. no.. there are many parents and Principals who want the SROs back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We had about 300 arrests. 27 of them were serious. The other 270 were referred for counseling. without knowing what the reason are that the 270 were referred for counseling, we won't know whether or not blacks are targeted more unfairly than whites. If certain actions lead to an arrest then do we care what skin color is involved? But if the decision to arrest is subjective, then yes, I can see how me might have a problem.
Why are kids being arrested and who are these kids?

The 270 were referred for counseling and their arrest doesn't go on their record. How is this being unfair? I would say it's giving them an advantage.

And only 9 of the 300 arrests were initiated by SROs. That's the key number right there.

They're literally useless. They don't do anything. It's mostly just one crazy poster who works for the police union who won't let this go.

So, what is your solution! Little security and give kids who stab other kids a talking to and send them back to class. A violent kid needs to be removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?

People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.

- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.

Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?

Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.

Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need

And that is what we have now and it’s not working.

So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.

Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.

You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.

Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.

The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.

You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.

In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.

The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story

And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.

Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?

Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?

Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.

Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?

So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?

Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?

Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.

I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.

What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.

No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?

People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.

- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.

Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?

Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.

Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need

And that is what we have now and it’s not working.

So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.

Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.

You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.

Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.

The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.

You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.

In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.

The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story

And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.

Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?

Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?

Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.

Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?

So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?

Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?

Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.

I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.

What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.

No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.

So, instead of coming up with solutions, you offering to volunteer or work in a helping profession you just use your same talking points making these kids victims. No wonder we have so many problems. You don’t even have any ideas or suggestions. Nice. Try spending some time with these kids. You might learn something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hire SRO’s that are trained psychologists or educators (especially special Ed) and train them to be SRO’s.

Don’t take cops with 2 year degrees and shown already to be bad at their job and make them SRO’s.

+1 sounds like a plan. Now, if only MCPS would implement it. But, in the meantime, we need SROs in the schools. The violence in the schools is terrifying.

No, we don't. There was violence in schools when SROs were there.

Not as much. My kid has been assaulted twice this year. It won’t get reported in the 911 stats
though because police weren’t called. If the media is only reporting incidents police have been called for, they are seriously under reporting the violence.

If your child is assaulted call the police and file a report. Parenting 101

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?

People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.

- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.

Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?

Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.

Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need

And that is what we have now and it’s not working.

So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.

Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.

You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.

Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.

The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.

You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.

In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.

The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story

And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.

Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?

Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?

Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.

Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?

So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?

Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?

Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.

I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.

What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.

No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.

So, instead of coming up with solutions, you offering to volunteer or work in a helping profession you just use your same talking points making these kids victims. No wonder we have so many problems. You don’t even have any ideas or suggestions. Nice. Try spending some time with these kids. You might learn something.

We have so many problems because of people like you who refuse to acknowledge that we have a systematic problem with police in this country, who like the status quo and who would love to return to the 1950s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?

People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.

- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.

Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?

Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.

Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need

And that is what we have now and it’s not working.

So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.

Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.

You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.

Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.

The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.

You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.

In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.

The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story

And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.

Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?

Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?

Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.

Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?

So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?

Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?

Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.

I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.

What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.

No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.

So, instead of coming up with solutions, you offering to volunteer or work in a helping profession you just use your same talking points making these kids victims. No wonder we have so many problems. You don’t even have any ideas or suggestions. Nice. Try spending some time with these kids. You might learn something.

We have so many problems because of people like you who refuse to acknowledge that we have a systematic problem with police in this country, who like the status quo and who would love to return to the 1950s.

In Montgomery County, we have so many problems because the activists refuse to acknowledge the good that police do, especially for lower income communities where crime is more prevalent. We have so many problems because activists think police are exactly the same in 2021 as they were in 1971.

You have succeeded in removing police from many areas, and the result is a crime increase. Specifically, a violent crime increase. And who's it hurting the most? People of color.

We are an intelligent county. I don't see why people refuse to put their brains to work and figure out improvements rather than eradication.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times were kids arrested at school? Of those, what were the reasons for the arrest? only with this info can we determine if black kids are unfairly targeted. Why is this info not published anywhere?

People love to ignore the data because it does not support their agenda. Bottom line only 3% of arrests at MCPS were initiated by SROs.

- only 27 physical arrests out of 269 were made in 2019-2020. Physical arrests are only for serious crimes like felonies, gang activity, hate crimes, etc
- the remainder of the "arrests" are "on paper" which means the student is detained by MCPS in the office and the SRO is called. He/she then issues a citation that does not go on the student's record and they are referred for counseling or other restorative outcome
- Only 3% of the arrests are initiated by SROs if they see serious crimes occurring; the rest are initiated by MCPS

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

Based on this data, I don't see a trend that supports the school-to-prison pipeline at MCPS.

Who do you think calls the cops for the other 97%?

Why do I have to think when it's right there in the document. It says that 97% were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS security, and parents. Reading is fundamental. I even summarized it above.

Sorry I missed that. But thanks for showing that SRO’s are not necessary and statistically useless. Clearly administrators, parents and security are all we need

And that is what we have now and it’s not working.

So as an anti-SRO, you now can admit that SRO's are not in the schools to send kids to prison. In fact, they are there to provide a multitude of other services which are NO longer being done today because the reality is admin, parents, and security are not trained nor do they have the time to do the job that the SROs were doing. That is why we now have surpassed the number of calls to the police due to assaults at MCPS in these past 2 months than the entire 2019-2020 school year. Let's stop with this bullsh*t and start acting like grown adults. Bring the SROs back. Our kids are suffering.

Well now that we know SRO's don't need police powers since they are not policing. Hire somebody with an education/child psychology background to do the job.

You guys are insane. "Let's get rid of SRO's because they are arresting kids too much." And then when that's proven wrong, "Then get rid of them because they can't get the job done."
WTF.
Why don't you guys do a little more research and talk to the principals and staff and ask them what SROs are doing in addition to maintaining a safe environment at the school. Ours were at practically every event and were viewed as role models for students, especially those that didn't have a father figure in their life. Ours was a trusted person in the community, knew what was really going on- if a fight was brewing, etc. and was able to prevent terrible things to happen. Ours was at the food distribution sites helping deliver food during the pandemic. No, they are not psychologists but the role they served was valuable. Ask a Psychologist if they want to do the job of an SRO. Good luck with that one.

Research studies show that when SROs are present, more arrests are made. It may be that school staff are initiating the arrests, it may also be that they seek arrest because the SRO is there. The SRO program is basically an invitation to administrators to criminalize nonviolent student behavior (the increases in arrests are in minor offenses like disorderly conduct) instead of dealing with it themselves. And maybe that's because they don't have the resources/appropriate polices to discipline students, but that is no excuse for arresting them instead.

The research doesn't support what's happening at MCPS. At MCPS, the number of "physical arrests" which are for violent, serious crimes was 27 out of a total 269 arrests. The remaining arrests do not go on a student's record and simply results in a citation for counseling. And remember only 3% of the 269 were initiated by SROs. To abolish this program without a proper implementation plan is a huge sign of irresponsibility on the part of the County. We should've listened to more voices and reviewed and analyzed the data. We should be looking at other local counties such as Howard County to see what they're doing there.

You see that as proof that the SRO program is working, I see it as a sign that students are having criminal justice involvement for things that should be handled by the schools. The schools aren't doing their job, guess what, students of color and advocates for them are fighting back and saying they don't want to be harassed by police anymore. I get it, you are White and do not care. That doesn't change their reality.

In MCPS, the majority at many schools are POC so you need to look at actual statistics of each school as if you have 75% POC, then, by % there should be a higher number.

The majority of students are POC, right? Therefore they decided that they don't want SROs. They don't feel safe around them. It's not about what you want. It's about what they want.
End of story

And, where is that documented? It wasn’t so stop speaking for others.

Where is what is documented? You think black and brown kids feel safe around SROs?

Stop targeting people by race. You sound racist. What is your solution? Where is all the documentation?

Racists like you wouldn't know about black and brown kids plights.

Racist use skin color as talking points. Just like they do the poor kids. And, those kids are the most at risk for violence. Who is protecting them?

So, what is your real proposal to keep kids safe regardless of skin color?

Are you willing to volunteer at a school weekly as security?

Like you're doing. Since when you care about black and brown kids? You don't care about black and brown kids plights. Don't pretend to care about them when all you care is for Ian and Madison to feel safe.

I care and have done far more than you. But, I am not going to victimize anyone. What have you done? What is you fix? You only ramble as to being a savior but you have done nothing to save them.

What is your fix? These kids who misbehave are not going to be fixed by a one time chat. If you actually worked with them and spent time with them you’d know that. It states in elementary school and at home. But, it’s easier to blame than fix you.

No, you don't. You victimize them since you belittle and don't care about their plights.

So, instead of coming up with solutions, you offering to volunteer or work in a helping profession you just use your same talking points making these kids victims. No wonder we have so many problems. You don’t even have any ideas or suggestions. Nice. Try spending some time with these kids. You might learn something.

We have so many problems because of people like you who refuse to acknowledge that we have a systematic problem with police in this country, who like the status quo and who would love to return to the 1950s.

In Montgomery County, we have so many problems because the activists refuse to acknowledge the good that police do, especially for lower income communities where crime is more prevalent. We have so many problems because activists think police are exactly the same in 2021 as they were in 1971.

You have succeeded in removing police from many areas, and the result is a crime increase. Specifically, a violent crime increase. And who's it hurting the most? People of color.

We are an intelligent county. I don't see why people refuse to put their brains to work and figure out improvements rather than eradication.

Yup. Look at the high schools hurting the most without SROs now. Yup..they're the ones with majority black and brown kids. Truth.
.