Official TJ Admissions Decisions Results for the Class of 2025

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If TJ was expanded so that the thousands of kids who qualify were served it would no longer be special and the “families who value education” aka preppers would seek out other programs they could compete in.

If TJ required an IQ test they would just start prepping for that.

I’m kind of sick of hearing about the sad academic superstars who won’t get into TJ. They will be fine at any school. Everyone should be more worried about the kids for whom TJ could change their lives. If you really cared about STEAM kids in America you’d agree.

Please, first your IQ is screaming that it needs help!

Just so you know, IQ cannot be prepped!!! It is inherent in people. Either you have it or you don't! It is like Common Sense which is apparently very uncommon.

Second, no one would want to go to TJ, if we had more STEM schools in VA. Trust me!!! It is the need of time! Grow up!

I could not let this one just slip by.

The IQ tests like the WPPSI or WISC can be prepped. These are in no way perfect instruments that measure the raw intelligence inherent in people. If you google search what is on these tests you can certainly prep yourself or your kid to get an higher score.

Many white parents prep their kids to take wisc for AAP.

I thought you could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that your kid was gifted?

Things changes now. You could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that the kid is ADHD to gain advantage for admission.

Tons of families have done this in the past to gain "extra time" for the Quant-Q, which is a heavily time-intensive exam and used to have a huge impact on TJ admissions. The advantage of having 75 minutes on this exam instead of 50 would be enormous if a student didn't actually need it.

Most parents getting fake diagnosis are white.

This may be true broadly, but for the purposes of the TJ admissions exam it is not. Accommodations testing took place in the TJ Library for many years during the school day - always a curiosity for the kids who are currently at TJ, they love peering into the windows - and there weren't a whole lot of white kids in there. But to be fair, white folks haven't been all that interested in TJ for a while.

NP. The previous PP is right. Most Brown people (not sure about east asians) don't like seeing/taking their kid to a psychologist/psychiatrist (or whoever you need to see for this type of thing). We think our kids are perfect . Of all the Indian families we know, just one has a kid diagnosed with ADHD (God knows how many have undiagnosed kids). The number of White families we know with kids diagnosed with ADHD is at least a dozen.

Because, you know, they openly admit to stuff like this.

The numbers in the room were what they were. Year after year, over 50 kids, overwhelmingly South Asian.

Agree with PP regarding East Asians. Don’t see a lot of that for whatever reason.

dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). this is a well kept secret in our community.

dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). that you are lying. it is such a stigma for south asian parents to go to a psychiatrist. Not a good thing at all but that's the case.

seems like someone is trying to create discord. not to worry. asians are going to vote republican en masse with this war on merit and vilification of their kids happening across the nation. they are called swing states for a reason.

By merit do you mean the war on people gaming the system with expensive outside enrichment to give them an edge over those who cannot afford tot spend $$$ on this?

Do you mean the criminal investigation Varsity Blue which caught dozens of white parents committing fraud, bribing college officials?

It’s so pointless to keep bringing this up over and over. Every single pro-reform person, no matter what race, thinks that Varsity Blues was awful and is glad that people are being punished for it. We hate legacy admissions too. All of these things are issues that need to be solved.

It’s pointless to incessantly assume all TJ applicants cheated their way into TJ and it’s pointless to incessantly assume all Asians are wealthy and privileged and cheat when most of them do not cheat and are lower middle class to middle class.

But we know for a fact a large number were only able to make the cut because of outside enrichment. Places like Curie even boast about this.

We do not know that for a fact but we do know for a fact that dozens and dozens of unethical and genuinely privileged white parents cheated and bought their way into elite universities for their offspring while taking part in criminal felonies along the way.

We do know it for a fact. They posted the first and last names of their success stories on their Facebook page before they took them down due to being called out.

The evidence seems as conclusive as it is damning

Where is the evidence that these students ONLY made the cut due to prep class?

That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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If TJ was expanded so that the thousands of kids who qualify were served it would no longer be special and the “families who value education” aka preppers would seek out other programs they could compete in.

If TJ required an IQ test they would just start prepping for that.

I’m kind of sick of hearing about the sad academic superstars who won’t get into TJ. They will be fine at any school. Everyone should be more worried about the kids for whom TJ could change their lives. If you really cared about STEAM kids in America you’d agree.



Please, first your IQ is screaming that it needs help!

Just so you know, IQ cannot be prepped!!! It is inherent in people. Either you have it or you don't! It is like Common Sense which is apparently very uncommon.

Second, no one would want to go to TJ, if we had more STEM schools in VA. Trust me!!! It is the need of time! Grow up!


I could not let this one just slip by.

The IQ tests like the WPPSI or WISC can be prepped. These are in no way perfect instruments that measure the raw intelligence inherent in people. If you google search what is on these tests you can certainly prep yourself or your kid to get an higher score.


Many white parents prep their kids to take wisc for AAP.


I thought you could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that your kid was gifted?


Things changes now. You could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that the kid is ADHD to gain advantage for admission.


Tons of families have done this in the past to gain "extra time" for the Quant-Q, which is a heavily time-intensive exam and used to have a huge impact on TJ admissions. The advantage of having 75 minutes on this exam instead of 50 would be enormous if a student didn't actually need it.


Most parents getting fake diagnosis are white.


This may be true broadly, but for the purposes of the TJ admissions exam it is not. Accommodations testing took place in the TJ Library for many years during the school day - always a curiosity for the kids who are currently at TJ, they love peering into the windows - and there weren't a whole lot of white kids in there. But to be fair, white folks haven't been all that interested in TJ for a while.


NP. The previous PP is right. Most Brown people (not sure about east asians) don't like seeing/taking their kid to a psychologist/psychiatrist (or whoever you need to see for this type of thing). We think our kids are perfect . Of all the Indian families we know, just one has a kid diagnosed with ADHD (God knows how many have undiagnosed kids). The number of White families we know with kids diagnosed with ADHD is at least a dozen.


Because, you know, they openly admit to stuff like this.

The numbers in the room were what they were. Year after year, over 50 kids, overwhelmingly South Asian.

Agree with PP regarding East Asians. Don’t see a lot of that for whatever reason.


dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). this is a well kept secret in our community.


dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). that you are lying. it is such a stigma for south asian parents to go to a psychiatrist. Not a good thing at all but that's the case.


seems like someone is trying to create discord. not to worry. asians are going to vote republican en masse with this war on merit and vilification of their kids happening across the nation. they are called swing states for a reason.


By merit do you mean the war on people gaming the system with expensive outside enrichment to give them an edge over those who cannot afford tot spend $$$ on this?


Do you mean the criminal investigation Varsity Blue which caught dozens of white parents committing fraud, bribing college officials?


It’s so pointless to keep bringing this up over and over. Every single pro-reform person, no matter what race, thinks that Varsity Blues was awful and is glad that people are being punished for it. We hate legacy admissions too. All of these things are issues that need to be solved.


It’s pointless to incessantly assume all TJ applicants cheated their way into TJ and it’s pointless to incessantly assume all Asians are wealthy and privileged and cheat when most of them do not cheat and are lower middle class to middle class.


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We do not know that for a fact but we do know for a fact that dozens and dozens of unethical and genuinely privileged white parents cheated and bought their way into elite universities for their offspring while taking part in criminal felonies along the way.


We do know it for a fact. They posted the first and last names of their success stories on their Facebook page before they took them down due to being called out.


The evidence seems as conclusive as it is damning


Where is the evidence that these students ONLY made the cut due to prep class?


That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.


This discussion started because of the PP claim that "But we know for a fact a large number were only able to make the cut because of outside enrichment. Places like Curie even boast about this."

So, where is the evidence these students made the cut only because of the prep center? Still waiting.

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If TJ was expanded so that the thousands of kids who qualify were served it would no longer be special and the “families who value education” aka preppers would seek out other programs they could compete in.

If TJ required an IQ test they would just start prepping for that.

I’m kind of sick of hearing about the sad academic superstars who won’t get into TJ. They will be fine at any school. Everyone should be more worried about the kids for whom TJ could change their lives. If you really cared about STEAM kids in America you’d agree.

Please, first your IQ is screaming that it needs help!

Just so you know, IQ cannot be prepped!!! It is inherent in people. Either you have it or you don't! It is like Common Sense which is apparently very uncommon.

Second, no one would want to go to TJ, if we had more STEM schools in VA. Trust me!!! It is the need of time! Grow up!

I could not let this one just slip by.

The IQ tests like the WPPSI or WISC can be prepped. These are in no way perfect instruments that measure the raw intelligence inherent in people. If you google search what is on these tests you can certainly prep yourself or your kid to get an higher score.

Many white parents prep their kids to take wisc for AAP.

I thought you could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that your kid was gifted?

Things changes now. You could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that the kid is ADHD to gain advantage for admission.

Tons of families have done this in the past to gain "extra time" for the Quant-Q, which is a heavily time-intensive exam and used to have a huge impact on TJ admissions. The advantage of having 75 minutes on this exam instead of 50 would be enormous if a student didn't actually need it.

Most parents getting fake diagnosis are white.

This may be true broadly, but for the purposes of the TJ admissions exam it is not. Accommodations testing took place in the TJ Library for many years during the school day - always a curiosity for the kids who are currently at TJ, they love peering into the windows - and there weren't a whole lot of white kids in there. But to be fair, white folks haven't been all that interested in TJ for a while.

NP. The previous PP is right. Most Brown people (not sure about east asians) don't like seeing/taking their kid to a psychologist/psychiatrist (or whoever you need to see for this type of thing). We think our kids are perfect . Of all the Indian families we know, just one has a kid diagnosed with ADHD (God knows how many have undiagnosed kids). The number of White families we know with kids diagnosed with ADHD is at least a dozen.

Because, you know, they openly admit to stuff like this.

The numbers in the room were what they were. Year after year, over 50 kids, overwhelmingly South Asian.

Agree with PP regarding East Asians. Don’t see a lot of that for whatever reason.

dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). this is a well kept secret in our community.

dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). that you are lying. it is such a stigma for south asian parents to go to a psychiatrist. Not a good thing at all but that's the case.

seems like someone is trying to create discord. not to worry. asians are going to vote republican en masse with this war on merit and vilification of their kids happening across the nation. they are called swing states for a reason.

By merit do you mean the war on people gaming the system with expensive outside enrichment to give them an edge over those who cannot afford tot spend $$$ on this?

Do you mean the criminal investigation Varsity Blue which caught dozens of white parents committing fraud, bribing college officials?

It’s so pointless to keep bringing this up over and over. Every single pro-reform person, no matter what race, thinks that Varsity Blues was awful and is glad that people are being punished for it. We hate legacy admissions too. All of these things are issues that need to be solved.

It’s pointless to incessantly assume all TJ applicants cheated their way into TJ and it’s pointless to incessantly assume all Asians are wealthy and privileged and cheat when most of them do not cheat and are lower middle class to middle class.

But we know for a fact a large number were only able to make the cut because of outside enrichment. Places like Curie even boast about this.

We do not know that for a fact but we do know for a fact that dozens and dozens of unethical and genuinely privileged white parents cheated and bought their way into elite universities for their offspring while taking part in criminal felonies along the way.

We do know it for a fact. They posted the first and last names of their success stories on their Facebook page before they took them down due to being called out.

The evidence seems as conclusive as it is damning

Where is the evidence that these students ONLY made the cut due to prep class?

That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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If TJ was expanded so that the thousands of kids who qualify were served it would no longer be special and the “families who value education” aka preppers would seek out other programs they could compete in.

If TJ required an IQ test they would just start prepping for that.

I’m kind of sick of hearing about the sad academic superstars who won’t get into TJ. They will be fine at any school. Everyone should be more worried about the kids for whom TJ could change their lives. If you really cared about STEAM kids in America you’d agree.



Please, first your IQ is screaming that it needs help!

Just so you know, IQ cannot be prepped!!! It is inherent in people. Either you have it or you don't! It is like Common Sense which is apparently very uncommon.

Second, no one would want to go to TJ, if we had more STEM schools in VA. Trust me!!! It is the need of time! Grow up!


I could not let this one just slip by.

The IQ tests like the WPPSI or WISC can be prepped. These are in no way perfect instruments that measure the raw intelligence inherent in people. If you google search what is on these tests you can certainly prep yourself or your kid to get an higher score.


Many white parents prep their kids to take wisc for AAP.


I thought you could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that your kid was gifted?


Things changes now. You could simply pay some quack to administer one to show that the kid is ADHD to gain advantage for admission.


Tons of families have done this in the past to gain "extra time" for the Quant-Q, which is a heavily time-intensive exam and used to have a huge impact on TJ admissions. The advantage of having 75 minutes on this exam instead of 50 would be enormous if a student didn't actually need it.


Most parents getting fake diagnosis are white.


This may be true broadly, but for the purposes of the TJ admissions exam it is not. Accommodations testing took place in the TJ Library for many years during the school day - always a curiosity for the kids who are currently at TJ, they love peering into the windows - and there weren't a whole lot of white kids in there. But to be fair, white folks haven't been all that interested in TJ for a while.


NP. The previous PP is right. Most Brown people (not sure about east asians) don't like seeing/taking their kid to a psychologist/psychiatrist (or whoever you need to see for this type of thing). We think our kids are perfect . Of all the Indian families we know, just one has a kid diagnosed with ADHD (God knows how many have undiagnosed kids). The number of White families we know with kids diagnosed with ADHD is at least a dozen.


Because, you know, they openly admit to stuff like this.

The numbers in the room were what they were. Year after year, over 50 kids, overwhelmingly South Asian.

Agree with PP regarding East Asians. Don’t see a lot of that for whatever reason.


dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). this is a well kept secret in our community.


dp, can confirm (graduated a few years ago). that you are lying. it is such a stigma for south asian parents to go to a psychiatrist. Not a good thing at all but that's the case.


seems like someone is trying to create discord. not to worry. asians are going to vote republican en masse with this war on merit and vilification of their kids happening across the nation. they are called swing states for a reason.


By merit do you mean the war on people gaming the system with expensive outside enrichment to give them an edge over those who cannot afford tot spend $$$ on this?


Do you mean the criminal investigation Varsity Blue which caught dozens of white parents committing fraud, bribing college officials?


It’s so pointless to keep bringing this up over and over. Every single pro-reform person, no matter what race, thinks that Varsity Blues was awful and is glad that people are being punished for it. We hate legacy admissions too. All of these things are issues that need to be solved.


It’s pointless to incessantly assume all TJ applicants cheated their way into TJ and it’s pointless to incessantly assume all Asians are wealthy and privileged and cheat when most of them do not cheat and are lower middle class to middle class.


[i][u].


We do not know that for a fact but we do know for a fact that dozens and dozens of unethical and genuinely privileged white parents cheated and bought their way into elite universities for their offspring while taking part in criminal felonies along the way.


We do know it for a fact. They posted the first and last names of their success stories on their Facebook page before they took them down due to being called out.


The evidence seems as conclusive as it is damning


Where is the evidence that these students ONLY made the cut due to prep class?


That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.


This discussion started because of the PP claim that "But we know for a fact a large number were only able to make the cut because of outside enrichment. Places like Curie even boast about this."

So, where is the evidence these students made the cut only because of the prep center? Still waiting.

Occam’s Razor.

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PP is idiot. How do I know this?
Occam's Razor.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Is your assertion that 133 kids paid $5K and spent 16 months doing a prep course and that none of those students got exam scores that moved them from waitlisted to offered?

That’s insanity. No one is saying all 133 would have been declined but for prep. But right there you’re talking about $650K in billings for zero impact. That’s nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Is your assertion that 133 kids paid $5K and spent 16 months doing a prep course and that none of those students got exam scores that moved them from waitlisted to offered?

That’s insanity. No one is saying all 133 would have been declined but for prep. But right there you’re talking about $650K in billings for zero impact. That’s nonsense.

I wish you people would stop spreading the lie. From what I understand (I have no affiliations with any of these prep places), the test prep is a few weeks long course that costs about $600. Some people may have spent $5 k over several years for the tutoring services. Please stop the lies

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Is your assertion that 133 kids paid $5K and spent 16 months doing a prep course and that none of those students got exam scores that moved them from waitlisted to offered?

That’s insanity. No one is saying all 133 would have been declined but for prep. But right there you’re talking about $650K in billings for zero impact. That’s nonsense.

I wish you people would stop spreading the lie. From what I understand (I have no affiliations with any of these prep places), the test prep is a few weeks long course that costs about $600. Some people may have spent $5 k over several years for the tutoring services. Please stop the lies

Their flagship TJ prep course was exactly as I described.

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Anonymous wrote:In order for a test to work it just be new to the test takers. Unfortunately, you can try to keep changing and creating new tests, but preppers will just continue to spoil the tests.

For example the CoGAT. It’s supposed to be completely new to the students. The students aren’t supposed to have practiced the types of questions in order for the scores to be valid. But as we all know there are websites, workbooks, tutoring places…

Oh come on...it is not that difficult to set a non-standard test. In fact, I recall one of the math teachers had offered to do it. If one can up with tomes of second rate research to try to justify subjective measures, with just a small proportion of that effort, one can come up with a test. It is just that prepping isn't what is being targeted. The attempt is to try to forcibly reduce a particular group with metrics that can be manipulated instead of an objective admissions test which cannot be manipulated. Sheer spite!

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So, in a pandemic, when hundreds of thousands kids staying home and not learning much, FCPS spent enormous time and money to focus on eliminating outside "prepping"? Does it even make sense? The prepping was merely just an excuse based on racial stereotype for their social engineering where the target is conveniently too weak politically. They never dare to touch Langley.

It was never about prepping. That's just a lame excuse. If prepping was the issue, they could have easily designed a test that is prep proof. It was always about changing racial composition by whatever means possible. They just couldn't risk a different test that would have resulted in the same racial composition. So let's call it for what it is - unfairness perpetuated on a minority population (in society) by the majority. And move on. The only problem is they may have done the changes illegally - as per the ongoing legal process. I am checking out of here. Final point: STEM is hard - even for the ones who are interested in it. Takes time, effort and prepping. And can be done even outside TJ. Work hard, find your purpose, no excuses. Love and peace!

It was never about racial composition. It was always about discrediting the significance of intellect and the merit of ideas in policy discussions. The changes in racial composition are something that can disappear at moment's notice once the system has become nondeterministic enough.

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PP - the changes in racial composition are just the trinkets used to market the change.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

Here is the quote posted yesterday: "But we know for a fact a large number were only able to make the cut because of outside enrichment. Places like Curie even boast about this."

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It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.