I can't breathe . . . Minneapolis police kill a man in broad daylight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

Hopefully those words will count for him during his trial, even if in the end they did not save the victim.

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The family is getting an independent autopsy.

Michael Baden....liar extraordinaire. They don’t need him.

Why do you say that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

Hopefully those words will count for him during his trial, even if in the end they did not save the victim.

I think they will also count against Chauvin because not only did he have time to think about what he was doing, someone is literally mentioning to him what should be done differently and he is saying no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The family is getting an independent autopsy.

Michael Baden....liar extraordinaire. They don’t need him.

Why do you say that?

He's very controversial. Does not help that he was fired from multiple jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

Hopefully those words will count for him during his trial, even if in the end they did not save the victim.

I think they will also count against Chauvin because not only did he have time to think about what he was doing, someone is literally mentioning to him what should be done differently and he is saying no.

Yes, very true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The family is getting an independent autopsy.

Michael Baden....liar extraordinaire. They don’t need him.

Why do you say that?

He's very controversial. Does not help that he was fired from multiple jobs.

Links?

[Anonymous]

ANTIFA thugs are right in the middle of it. Their footprint is near every building/vehicle on fire. It's getting more and more interesting.

[Anonymous]

“I don’t know what I’m gonna do, I worked so hard to get here, so hard,” the owner says as he cries.

#MinneapolisRiot This isn’t even protesting anymore. Swear people go too far pic.twitter.com/gNCjWwzOmz

— kreeche (@FatherKee) May 29, 2020

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266343981304238081


It's for you ''GFY'' poster. Keep justifying looters thugs, imbecil .

[Anonymous]

Former NOVA resident here. I live 5 blocks away from the current situation in Minneapolis where they are trying to breach the 5th precinct. These are my stores that have all burned down. My Target and my grocery store. I haven't had time to follow what is going on in DC but please all stay safe out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former NOVA resident here. I live 5 blocks away from the current situation in Minneapolis where they are trying to breach the 5th precinct. These are my stores that have all burned down. My Target and my grocery store. I haven't had time to follow what is going on in DC but please all stay safe out there.

Sorry to hear that. Do you have a plan if the rioters make it to your neighborhood? Do you have any intermediate use of force weapons like bear pepper spray or molotov cocktails? Hopefully you have a ceramic plates bullet resistant vest as well. A high power pressure washer might be a good deterrence.

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I’m just so tired of all of the racism. White people need to step up and stop the white silence. I see a lot of posts on this site that glorify areas like Mill Valley and Tiburon and Marin County. You want the truth about these “lovely” areas? Watch this video that the local high schoolers put out. This school is a FIVE MINUTE drive from the all white Tiburon and Mill Valley public schools. The AG has to step in with a DESEGREGATION ORDER. How evil, cruel and morally bankrupt do you have to be to live beside this and not notice? You think in the neighborhood sites like nextdoor that there would be even the slightest bit of discussion about the riots going on- nada- TOTAL WHITE SILENCE. Here, take a look and see what the wealthy liberal parts of America are like and tell me.. how do you fix this..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOs3kisbe74

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Anonymous wrote:What was cop and guy killed doing that ended up with cop killing him by crushing his neck?

Has any actual evidence been reported confirming the cause of death, i.e., strangulation, asphyxia, cervical dislocation, asthma, myocardial infarction, narcotics? As opposed to post hoc ergo propter hoc conclusions?

The cop in question was a major-league foul ball who should have been off the force years ago.

The rioting, burning, looting and the rest are absolutely unacceptable.

Let me come sit with my knee on your neck for 10 minutes and see if you're alive to debate whether my knee was the cause of any problems that result.

Yeah. That’s not how it works. And you don’t seem to know much about anatomy.

Adding: and from the violent, threatening, and personal time of your response, it would appear that the answer to the question is “no,” and it really pisses you off that anyone would dare question your unsupported, conclusory opinion.

I'm not threatening you. I have no idea who you are. I was demonstrating how ridiculous your logic is. If someone sits with their knee on someone's neck for 10 minutes, that person will likely suffocate. It's common sense.

Things are not that simple. To suffocate an individual would require compression of the windpipe, which is difficult with lateral pressure, particularly in a large, muscular individual. The photos do seem to show the cop’s knee near to/on the right carotid, but carotid compression would black the individual out, not cause them to complain they could not breathe. The more likely explanation would appear to be positional asphyxia, the chest compressed by the individual’s own weight and that of the police to the point where lung expansion becomes progressively more difficult and then impossible. Drug/alcohol intoxication would exacerbate this. The possibility remains, however, that death was from the drugs/alcohol, a heart attack, asthma or another idiopathic cause. Coincidence in time between action and result does not equal causation. However bad the cop’s use of force might have looked or been, it is important to know what actually happened.

An overarching problem here and in other well known cases is the appalling lack of correspondence between the alleged precipitating offense (counterfeit money) and the end result (death). The man in New York accused of selling loose cigarettes and then choked to death Is another example, as is the mentally ill man accused of stealing car radios but then beaten to death by police. It’s not realistic to expect police to just let arrestees walk away if they refuse to cooperate, but there needs to be some middle ground where people don’t get killed over minor crimes. Police in many jurisdictions have abandoned the “win at all costs” attitude toward high speed pursuits, reserving them for only the most serious offenders. Street policing needs something like that.

But even then, for the officer to continue with the knee on the neck, able to see what was happening to the guy as he became less and less conscious, to simply continue with the knee? There is also a duty of care for the officer, who at best seems to have refused to exercise such duty?

When someone tells an officer ''I can't breathe'', (s)he suppose to put handcuffs and shackles on a guy and sit him up. And call the ambulance right away, not when a man peeing himself and foaming blood out of his mouth already. The point is to get the guy in front of a judge, not in front of a pathologist.

Again, I think nobody is doubting the officer's behavior was out of line. However, from a legal standpoint, the autopsy (or autopsies) and the exact cause of death are probably going to be very important here in the prosecution and defense's arguments. The prosecution still has an argument if the victim died of a heart attack or overdose, but the way that argument is presented is obviously going to change.

How exactly does that work? Let's just say other factors contributed to his death--let's say if he had been a supremely healthy 25 year old he could have lived another 10 minutes with his lungs and arteries undergoing compression? (Young, healthy kids have died many, many times in prone restraints in settings, including public schools). REGARDLESS, you remain aware of what is happening to the person or else risk his death. How was the extended use of force necessary--especially after he lost consciousness altogether? Are you saying that people more likely to be suffering from an underlying condition may freely be tortured by cops because something else would contribute to their death? Is that like Covid by Cop--not a big deal because they likely would not have lived long anyway? Maybe we should cross out the names of people who die in police custody who have "underlying health conditions" like some people thing should be the case for covid deaths?

Even Andrew McCarthy on National Review is saying the officer's conduct was depraved indifference (part of the charge at this time, for third degree homicide)--he also says (and I thought so too) the officer should have been arrested much sooner on a probable cause complaint.

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Oh, and "out of line" would reasonably be a cop being an a-hole generally. Do you see the difference between a cop being an a-hole and a cop being a murderer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

Hopefully those words will count for him during his trial, even if in the end they did not save the victim.

How much, exactly, should that count for? That also indicates awareness of imminent risk to the suspect and a duty to act. What if a civilian was doing the same thing to another civilian? Should the cop just ask him to stop or take, you know, action?

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An overarching problem here and in other well known cases is the appalling lack of correspondence between the alleged precipitating offense (counterfeit money) and the end result (death). The man in New York accused of selling loose cigarettes and then choked to death Is another example, as is the mentally ill man accused of stealing car radios but then beaten to death by police. It’s not realistic to expect police to just let arrestees walk away if they refuse to cooperate, but there needs to be some middle ground where people don’t get killed over minor crimes. Police in many jurisdictions have abandoned the “win at all costs” attitude toward high speed pursuits, reserving them for only the most serious offenders. Street policing needs something like that.

I AGREE!

I'm from a European country, visit Asian countries regularly and see their police in action, and am always so shocked at the atrocious level of permissible violence perpetrated by American police. Why is this allowed? Police forces all over the world are trained to adjust their response according to the situation, the suspect and the accusation. Why can't the US train their police better?

It's a blot on the ethics of Americans.

One difference is that in many countries the police force operates under national jurisdiction. In the US law enforcement is local. PDs are run locally, sheriffs are elected by county (with a few declaring themselves to be the ultimate arbiters of the law as a constitutional claim).