I can't breathe . . . Minneapolis police kill a man in broad daylight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former NOVA resident here. I live 5 blocks away from the current situation in Minneapolis where they are trying to breach the 5th precinct. These are my stores that have all burned down. My Target and my grocery store. I haven't had time to follow what is going on in DC but please all stay safe out there.

Sorry to hear that. Do you have a plan if the rioters make it to your neighborhood? Do you have any intermediate use of force weapons like bear pepper spray or molotov cocktails? Hopefully you have a ceramic plates bullet resistant vest as well. A high power pressure washer might be a good deterrence.

Molotov cocktails are a federally prohibited destructive device, not “intermediate force.” If this Post wasn’t tongue in cheek you should do some reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

If they were waiting for a wagon, there would be dispatch records.

Did the accused believe what he was saying or did he know what he was doing was not proper protocol and just say that to shit up the other officer? In other situations with excited delirium as a risk , did he do the same thing? Did training he was given cover what to do in that situation and he just chose to go against training?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

Stop with your conjecture.. do videos show him resisting handcuffing? Deliberately falling to the ground. The foolish ones read your nonsense and take it as fact. Just stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

Stop with your conjecture.. do videos show him resisting handcuffing? Deliberately falling to the ground. The foolish ones read your nonsense and take it as fact. Just stop.

Everything about Floyd’s resistance is directly from the criminal complaint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

Stop with your conjecture.. do videos show him resisting handcuffing? Deliberately falling to the ground. The foolish ones read your nonsense and take it as fact. Just stop.

Everything about Floyd’s resistance is directly from the criminal complaint.

Written by whom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

Stop with your conjecture.. do videos show him resisting handcuffing? Deliberately falling to the ground. The foolish ones read your nonsense and take it as fact. Just stop.

Everything about Floyd’s resistance is directly from the criminal complaint.

Written by whom?

The prosecutor’s office! You know, the ones trying to put the cop in jail for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

Stop with your conjecture.. do videos show him resisting handcuffing? Deliberately falling to the ground. The foolish ones read your nonsense and take it as fact. Just stop.

Everything about Floyd’s resistance is directly from the criminal complaint.

Written by whom?

The prosecutor’s office! You know, the ones trying to put the cop in jail for decades.

You mean “trying”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former NOVA resident here. I live 5 blocks away from the current situation in Minneapolis where they are trying to breach the 5th precinct. These are my stores that have all burned down. My Target and my grocery store. I haven't had time to follow what is going on in DC but please all stay safe out there.

Sorry to hear that. Do you have a plan if the rioters make it to your neighborhood? Do you have any intermediate use of force weapons like bear pepper spray or molotov cocktails? Hopefully you have a ceramic plates bullet resistant vest as well. A high power pressure washer might be a good deterrence.

Molotov cocktails are a federally prohibited destructive device, not “intermediate force.” If this Post wasn’t tongue in cheek you should do some reading.

There aren't exactly rules in a riot. Just sayin

[Anonymous]

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An overarching problem here and in other well known cases is the appalling lack of correspondence between the alleged precipitating offense (counterfeit money) and the end result (death). The man in New York accused of selling loose cigarettes and then choked to death Is another example, as is the mentally ill man accused of stealing car radios but then beaten to death by police. It’s not realistic to expect police to just let arrestees walk away if they refuse to cooperate, but there needs to be some middle ground where people don’t get killed over minor crimes. Police in many jurisdictions have abandoned the “win at all costs” attitude toward high speed pursuits, reserving them for only the most serious offenders. Street policing needs something like that.

I AGREE!

I'm from a European country, visit Asian countries regularly and see their police in action, and am always so shocked at the atrocious level of permissible violence perpetrated by American police. Why is this allowed? Police forces all over the world are trained to adjust their response according to the situation, the suspect and the accusation. Why can't the US train their police better?

It's a blot on the ethics of Americans.

One difference is that in many countries the police force operates under national jurisdiction. In the US law enforcement is local. PDs are run locally, sheriffs are elected by county (with a few declaring themselves to be the ultimate arbiters of the law as a constitutional claim).

Most European countries have a very low violent crime rate, so the comparison is pretty far fetched. Law enforcement has significantly improved over the years, and much of that is due to better training. It wasn't that long ago that cops could legally blow you away if you were running away after committing a felony. The difference is that everyone has a video camera and people only view videos of cops screwing up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

The accused cop’s reported response to his colleague’s suggestion to reposition in case of/to guard against “excited delirium” can be read to suggest that the accused believed that the position Floyd was in was the appropriate one. That, coupled with the assertion in the criminal complaint that officers are trained that certain restraint positions pose safety risks is going to make training and related records a big issue. If the officer in fact was trained to use the position in question as a precaution against a potentially fatal syndrome a “malignant heart” would seem hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another big question is going to be why the police kept Floyd on the ground for so long. What were they waiting for? A wagon? Floyd allegedly resisted handcuffing and later resisted being put in the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. Part of this resistance reportedly was that he deliberately fell and lay on the ground. Photos appear to show him at least partially quartered off the ground in a position that should have allowed at least some chest expansion.

As bad as it looks, the knee itself appears at this point not to have been a contributing factor. Not monitoring Floyd more closely, particularly when he had become nonresponsive seems a much bigger issue.

Stop with your conjecture.. do videos show him resisting handcuffing? Deliberately falling to the ground. The foolish ones read your nonsense and take it as fact. Just stop.

Lying facedown, handcuffed next a police cruiser- the arrested guy ain't going anywhere. So why did 4 cops sit on top of him for 10 minutes, smothering the life out of him? There's a pic of the cop whose knee in on the victim... and his hand is in his pocket. Who would do that if the perp was a threat? Doesn't make sense at all.

[Anonymous]

Many months later after this all quiets down the legal funding will be: a very ill very intoxicated man former felon was in the act of committing another felony when police were called. He was combative with the police, a very large and intoxicated man. The police cuffed him, set him down and he had a heart attack and died. Police at the time thought he was passed out from drug use (very common among drug users) and did not realize he was having a fatal heart attack. Since the police are not medical professionals and did call medical professionals who did not get to the scene in time they are not liable for this unfortunate death.

[Anonymous]

... the lack of any form of bruising on the neck and back shoe that the pressure exerted by the police was in fact mild. But that doesn’t make headlines.

[Anonymous]

Having the police be required to act as medical professionals while arresting is going to be impossible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many months later after this all quiets down the legal funding will be: a very ill very intoxicated man former felon was in the act of committing another felony when police were called. He was combative with the police, a very large and intoxicated man. The police cuffed him, set him down and he had a heart attack and died. Police at the time thought he was passed out from drug use (very common among drug users) and did not realize he was having a fatal heart attack. Since the police are not medical professionals and did call medical professionals who did not get to the scene in time they are not liable for this unfortunate death.

Cops aren’t getting off.