I can't breathe . . . Minneapolis police kill a man in broad daylight

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Anonymous wrote:If it takes some fires and smashed windows to get and keep people's attention, so be it. Property is not more important than people. One side is murdering people, the other side is smashing windows, and a lot of you are riled up about the wrong one.

Rioting maybe, what does looting solve???

Nothing says we want justice like theft.

Racists STILL want to discuss looting? GFY.

Apparently, Floyd's death had such a devastating impact on the community. It tuns out that nah, they just want to steal. GFY

Apparently white supremacy has such devastating impact on whites they need to use looting as red herring to deflect froM the real issue. GFY.

The looting is the indication of people of the same color as Floyd, African Americans, not giving a rat's tail about Floyd's death. One female target looter still carried homemade placate ''Black Lives Matter''. It says clear and loud - they don't care that a black guy was killed by the police....''Karens'' care more than them as we see here .... real facts contradict with your statements so much that you can GFY .... actually it has been happening for a while.
''White supremacy'' doesn't mean anything anymore, except been a click bait expression for an immature brains, just like the implication that this crime was racially charged. Arresting officers are AA, an Asian and white.

We will know more soon....I read that Floyd might have had drugs in his system at the time of his death. By looking at his toothless girlfriend and keeping in mind Floyd's laundry list long violence and drugs related criminal record there might be some truth to it. May be drugs contributed to his untimely death, may be not. Will see.

All of this may or may not be true, but the racist actions by police in this country cannot be denied, AA hit hardest by Covid, unemployment, healthcare and then the constant racist tweets by Trump that I don't even think he believes but just does to deflect! Well deflect it did, it was the flame that lit the powder keg that finally blew all this up coming out of months of lockdown

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Anonymous wrote:What was cop and guy killed doing that ended up with cop killing him by crushing his neck?

Has any actual evidence been reported confirming the cause of death, i.e., strangulation, asphyxia, cervical dislocation, asthma, myocardial infarction, narcotics? As opposed to post hoc ergo propter hoc conclusions?

The cop in question was a major-league foul ball who should have been off the force years ago.

The rioting, burning, looting and the rest are absolutely unacceptable.

Let me come sit with my knee on your neck for 10 minutes and see if you're alive to debate whether my knee was the cause of any problems that result.

Yeah. That’s not how it works. And you don’t seem to know much about anatomy.

Adding: and from the violent, threatening, and personal time of your response, it would appear that the answer to the question is “no,” and it really pisses you off that anyone would dare question your unsupported, conclusory opinion.

I'm not threatening you. I have no idea who you are. I was demonstrating how ridiculous your logic is. If someone sits with their knee on someone's neck for 10 minutes, that person will likely suffocate. It's common sense.

Things are not that simple. To suffocate an individual would require compression of the windpipe, which is difficult with lateral pressure, particularly in a large, muscular individual. The photos do seem to show the cop’s knee near to/on the right carotid, but carotid compression would black the individual out, not cause them to complain they could not breathe. The more likely explanation would appear to be positional asphyxia, the chest compressed by the individual’s own weight and that of the police to the point where lung expansion becomes progressively more difficult and then impossible. Drug/alcohol intoxication would exacerbate this. The possibility remains, however, that death was from the drugs/alcohol, a heart attack, asthma or another idiopathic cause. Coincidence in time between action and result does not equal causation. However bad the cop’s use of force might have looked or been, it is important to know what actually happened.

An overarching problem here and in other well known cases is the appalling lack of correspondence between the alleged precipitating offense (counterfeit money) and the end result (death). The man in New York accused of selling loose cigarettes and then choked to death Is another example, as is the mentally ill man accused of stealing car radios but then beaten to death by police. It’s not realistic to expect police to just let arrestees walk away if they refuse to cooperate, but there needs to be some middle ground where people don’t get killed over minor crimes. Police in many jurisdictions have abandoned the “win at all costs” attitude toward high speed pursuits, reserving them for only the most serious offenders. Street policing needs something like that.

But even then, for the officer to continue with the knee on the neck, able to see what was happening to the guy as he became less and less conscious, to simply continue with the knee? There is also a duty of care for the officer, who at best seems to have refused to exercise such duty?

When someone tells an officer ''I can't breathe'', (s)he suppose to put handcuffs and shackles on a guy and sit him up. And call the ambulance right away, not when a man peeing himself and foaming blood out of his mouth already. The point is to get the guy in front of a judge, not in front of a pathologist.

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Anonymous wrote:If it takes some fires and smashed windows to get and keep people's attention, so be it. Property is not more important than people. One side is murdering people, the other side is smashing windows, and a lot of you are riled up about the wrong one.

Rioting maybe, what does looting solve???

Nothing says we want justice like theft.

Racists STILL want to discuss looting? GFY.

Apparently, Floyd's death had such a devastating impact on the community. It tuns out that nah, they just want to steal. GFY

Apparently white supremacy has such devastating impact on whites they need to use looting as red herring to deflect froM the real issue. GFY.

The looting is the indication of people of the same color as Floyd, African Americans, not giving a rat's tail about Floyd's death. One female target looter still carried homemade placate ''Black Lives Matter''. It says clear and loud - they don't care that a black guy was killed by the police....''Karens'' care more than them as we see here .... real facts contradict with your statements so much that you can GFY .... actually it has been happening for a while.
''White supremacy'' doesn't mean anything anymore, except been a click bait expression for an immature brains, just like the implication that this crime was racially charged. Arresting officers are AA, an Asian and white.

We will know more soon....I read that Floyd might have had drugs in his system at the time of his death. By looking at his toothless girlfriend and keeping in mind Floyd's laundry list long violence and drugs related criminal record there might be some truth to it. May be drugs contributed to his untimely death, may be not. Will see.

All of this may or may not be true, but the racist actions by police in this country cannot be denied, AA hit hardest by Covid, unemployment, healthcare and then the constant racist tweets by Trump that I don't even think he believes but just does to deflect! Well deflect it did, it was the flame that lit the powder keg that finally blew all this up coming out of months of lockdown

Agree. It's pretty horrible for AA community.
We had a few devastating riots during Obama years. Leave Trump out of it, TDSer.

[Anonymous]

What’s even worst about the whole situation, George died a slow and painful death. You literally can here him agonizing in pain.

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Anonymous wrote:What was cop and guy killed doing that ended up with cop killing him by crushing his neck?

Has any actual evidence been reported confirming the cause of death, i.e., strangulation, asphyxia, cervical dislocation, asthma, myocardial infarction, narcotics? As opposed to post hoc ergo propter hoc conclusions?

The cop in question was a major-league foul ball who should have been off the force years ago.

The rioting, burning, looting and the rest are absolutely unacceptable.

Let me come sit with my knee on your neck for 10 minutes and see if you're alive to debate whether my knee was the cause of any problems that result.

Yeah. That’s not how it works. And you don’t seem to know much about anatomy.

Adding: and from the violent, threatening, and personal time of your response, it would appear that the answer to the question is “no,” and it really pisses you off that anyone would dare question your unsupported, conclusory opinion.

I'm not threatening you. I have no idea who you are. I was demonstrating how ridiculous your logic is. If someone sits with their knee on someone's neck for 10 minutes, that person will likely suffocate. It's common sense.

Things are not that simple. To suffocate an individual would require compression of the windpipe, which is difficult with lateral pressure, particularly in a large, muscular individual. The photos do seem to show the cop’s knee near to/on the right carotid, but carotid compression would black the individual out, not cause them to complain they could not breathe. The more likely explanation would appear to be positional asphyxia, the chest compressed by the individual’s own weight and that of the police to the point where lung expansion becomes progressively more difficult and then impossible. Drug/alcohol intoxication would exacerbate this. The possibility remains, however, that death was from the drugs/alcohol, a heart attack, asthma or another idiopathic cause. Coincidence in time between action and result does not equal causation. However bad the cop’s use of force might have looked or been, it is important to know what actually happened.

An overarching problem here and in other well known cases is the appalling lack of correspondence between the alleged precipitating offense (counterfeit money) and the end result (death). The man in New York accused of selling loose cigarettes and then choked to death Is another example, as is the mentally ill man accused of stealing car radios but then beaten to death by police. It’s not realistic to expect police to just let arrestees walk away if they refuse to cooperate, but there needs to be some middle ground where people don’t get killed over minor crimes. Police in many jurisdictions have abandoned the “win at all costs” attitude toward high speed pursuits, reserving them for only the most serious offenders. Street policing needs something like that.

But even then, for the officer to continue with the knee on the neck, able to see what was happening to the guy as he became less and less conscious, to simply continue with the knee? There is also a duty of care for the officer, who at best seems to have refused to exercise such duty?

When someone tells an officer ''I can't breathe'', (s)he suppose to put handcuffs and shackles on a guy and sit him up. And call the ambulance right away, not when a man peeing himself and foaming blood out of his mouth already. The point is to get the guy in front of a judge, not in front of a pathologist.

Again, I think nobody is doubting the officer's behavior was out of line. However, from a legal standpoint, the autopsy (or autopsies) and the exact cause of death are probably going to be very important here in the prosecution and defense's arguments. The prosecution still has an argument if the victim died of a heart attack or overdose, but the way that argument is presented is obviously going to change.

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You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

[Anonymous]

Have you ever heard of the “eggshell skull” doctrine, 22:10 poster? This was murder, even if George was flying on crack with a weak heart.

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The likelihood of such things are extremely low, obviously. But you need medical evidence (hopefully something you can get from the autopsy) to say you can rule them out completely in the courtroom.

That's why the autopsy is so important to the prosecution from a legal standpoint. From the video, even a medical expert can only say that the cause of death was very likely suffocation, but we can't rule out of those things.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you ever heard of the “eggshell skull” doctrine, 22:10 poster? This was murder, even if George was flying on crack with a weak heart.

Yes. Note I said the prosecution still has a strong argument for murder. But obviously this is still an important piece of evidence that informs how they craft their argument. I was simply responding to the people who said "how dare someone mention he could have died of a heart attack or overdose? Are you kidding me?"

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What was cop and guy killed doing that ended up with cop killing him by crushing his neck?

Has any actual evidence been reported confirming the cause of death, i.e., strangulation, asphyxia, cervical dislocation, asthma, myocardial infarction, narcotics? As opposed to post hoc ergo propter hoc conclusions?

The cop in question was a major-league foul ball who should have been off the force years ago.

The rioting, burning, looting and the rest are absolutely unacceptable.

Let me come sit with my knee on your neck for 10 minutes and see if you're alive to debate whether my knee was the cause of any problems that result.

Yeah. That’s not how it works. And you don’t seem to know much about anatomy.

Adding: and from the violent, threatening, and personal time of your response, it would appear that the answer to the question is “no,” and it really pisses you off that anyone would dare question your unsupported, conclusory opinion.

I'm not threatening you. I have no idea who you are. I was demonstrating how ridiculous your logic is. If someone sits with their knee on someone's neck for 10 minutes, that person will likely suffocate. It's common sense.

Things are not that simple. To suffocate an individual would require compression of the windpipe, which is difficult with lateral pressure, particularly in a large, muscular individual. The photos do seem to show the cop’s knee near to/on the right carotid, but carotid compression would black the individual out, not cause them to complain they could not breathe. The more likely explanation would appear to be positional asphyxia, the chest compressed by the individual’s own weight and that of the police to the point where lung expansion becomes progressively more difficult and then impossible. Drug/alcohol intoxication would exacerbate this. The possibility remains, however, that death was from the drugs/alcohol, a heart attack, asthma or another idiopathic cause. Coincidence in time between action and result does not equal causation. However bad the cop’s use of force might have looked or been, it is important to know what actually happened.

An overarching problem here and in other well known cases is the appalling lack of correspondence between the alleged precipitating offense (counterfeit money) and the end result (death). The man in New York accused of selling loose cigarettes and then choked to death Is another example, as is the mentally ill man accused of stealing car radios but then beaten to death by police. It’s not realistic to expect police to just let arrestees walk away if they refuse to cooperate, but there needs to be some middle ground where people don’t get killed over minor crimes. Police in many jurisdictions have abandoned the “win at all costs” attitude toward high speed pursuits, reserving them for only the most serious offenders. Street policing needs something like that.

But even then, for the officer to continue with the knee on the neck, able to see what was happening to the guy as he became less and less conscious, to simply continue with the knee? There is also a duty of care for the officer, who at best seems to have refused to exercise such duty?

When someone tells an officer ''I can't breathe'', (s)he suppose to put handcuffs and shackles on a guy and sit him up. And call the ambulance right away, not when a man peeing himself and foaming blood out of his mouth already. The point is to get the guy in front of a judge, not in front of a pathologist.

This cop kept his knee down on a prone, already handcuffed man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The family is getting an independent autopsy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The family is getting an independent autopsy.

Wise move.

[Anonymous]

I find it telling that another officer asks multiple times about moving Floyd to his side and every time Chauvin says no or brushes him off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have got to be kidding me. Heart attack or overdose?

The family is getting an independent autopsy.

Michael Baden....liar extraordinaire. They don’t need him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it takes some fires and smashed windows to get and keep people's attention, so be it. Property is not more important than people. One side is murdering people, the other side is smashing windows, and a lot of you are riled up about the wrong one.

Rioting maybe, what does looting solve???

Nothing says we want justice like theft.

Racists STILL want to discuss looting? GFY.

Apparently, Floyd's death had such a devastating impact on the community. It tuns out that nah, they just want to steal. GFY

Apparently white supremacy has such devastating impact on whites they need to use looting as red herring to deflect froM the real issue. GFY.

The looting is the indication of people of the same color as Floyd, African Americans, not giving a rat's tail about Floyd's death. One female target looter still carried homemade placate ''Black Lives Matter''. It says clear and loud - they don't care that a black guy was killed by the police....''Karens'' care more than them as we see here .... real facts contradict with your statements so much that you can GFY .... actually it has been happening for a while.
''White supremacy'' doesn't mean anything anymore, except been a click bait expression for an immature brains, just like the implication that this crime was racially charged. Arresting officers are AA, an Asian and white.

We will know more soon....I read that Floyd might have had drugs in his system at the time of his death. By looking at his toothless girlfriend and keeping in mind Floyd's laundry list long violence and drugs related criminal record there might be some truth to it. May be drugs contributed to his untimely death, may be not. Will see.

The officer steps on his neck, but he died from drug usage because toothless girlfriend.