That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them. Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse.

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: hookup culture is bad! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.

How is that irrelevant? If the hook up culture has guys having sex with a bunch of wasted girls that black out and can't remember a thing and tell him what a great time they had and they come back for more... how is that not relevant to the problem on college campuses. How is a guy to know when a girl is going to say, they didn't consent, when the same situation happened 20 times before and it was consent?

It's irrelevant because hooking up had nothing to do with this case, because SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS.

She was not unconscious when she first hooked up with him.

You don't know that, first of all. More importantly, that doesn't matter. Once someone becomes unconscious, it's not "hooking up" by any stretch of the imagination, even if it started out that way. Then it's rape.

She remembers kissing him. Her sister kissed him too. It does matter, actually. If it did not matter, the information would not be in the police report or in the court proceedings.

I agree that this was rape because she was unconscious which was also in the police report, which is also relevant.

A hook up culture is relevant to the overall conversation about rape and preventing it in the future.

We should not tolerate a hook up culture from our sons or our daughters. This case was obviously cut and dry, but so many are not because one consensual woman can tell the same story that a non consensual woman tells. EXACT same story, one is rape the other is not. That is a problem. Women will continue to be raped and men will continue to get away with it ... because of the hook up culture.

So it is relevant to rapes not being convicted at a higher rate.

I cannot believe I have to type this out, but ok, sure, why not. Hook-up culture is about women and men engaging in consensual sexual activity at a rate which some people find alarming, and often without emotional attachments. Rape involves the LACK of consent. Just because someone hooks up with one person has no bearing on whether she consented to sexual activity with another person. Just because someone hooks up with a person one time, that doesn't mean she consented to hooking up with them in all future circumstances. Consent is not transferable and it is on the participants to ensure that they get affirmative consent each time.

Women will continue to be raped and rapists will get away with it because they are rapists, and because we as a society will look for any goddamn excuse to blame the woman.

I cannot believe I have to type this out, but okay, sure, why not. Hooking up is about women and men engaging in consensual sexual activity at a rate which some people find alarming... blah, blah, blah.


Hook up culture is about binge drinking, getting wasted, hooking up with somebody, anybody that night, not really knowing who it is or caring and not really remembering it and then laughing about it in the morning.

Rape is the LACK of consent. Everybody agrees there.

But nobody has the definition of consent. Even the California statue says when the assault occurs due to limited capacity due to drugs or alcohol the would be rapist has to show they knew the person is of a limited capacity ... so if a really big drinker who holds her liquor pretty well can appear to be sober enough to sort of consent, it is okay.... or is it? In addition, each state has a different definition of consent.

Also the time that consent ends, is vague as well. Is it 1 second after she passes out, 1 second before she passes out. Do you have to look her in the eyes the whole time to make sure they are open, do you ask her to open them every 1 second just to check. Really?

Just because somebody is drunk and slurring their words or even stumbling ... does not mean they can not consent.

It creates a gray area, where a woman feels she was raped but the other party feels it was consensual. It is a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:About the sentence, I don't think this case is as bad as a stranger, assault with weapon rape case so the punishment should be less. There are indications that the girl was with him voluntarily and he didn't spike her drink or anything like that. His judgement was impaired by alcohol and that should be taken into account. If no one told her she was assaulted afterwards she probably wouldn't have known it. She has no memory of it. I think the punishment is severe enough. You liberals go on talking about more lenient sentencing for the minorities but when there is an actual more lenient punishment you think it is not severe enough. Shouldn't it be for everyone? Oh, except if the perp is a man or he's white.

Did you even attend a year of college?

I must have gotten in because of affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them. Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse.

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: hookup culture is bad! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.

How is that irrelevant? If the hook up culture has guys having sex with a bunch of wasted girls that black out and can't remember a thing and tell him what a great time they had and they come back for more... how is that not relevant to the problem on college campuses. How is a guy to know when a girl is going to say, they didn't consent, when the same situation happened 20 times before and it was consent?

Perhaps we need to teach our sons to do a better job of recognizing and understanding what could happen. If a girl is THAT drunk, or if she says yes but then no and then yes again, or if she is on the verge of passing out, or she can't walk, or is slurring her speech so badly that you can't understand her - WALK AWAY. Exercise restraint, recognize that this is not how you want to be getting laid, understand the consequences. Just as we would tell our daughters not to get so drunk that they black out, or not to walk home alone, and exercise personal safety, we should also be teaching our sons not to take advantage of drunk girls or get so drunk that they don't recognize that the girl they are about to have sex with is also too drunk to know what's going on. You don't solve the "hookup culture" on college campuses by simply telling girls not to do certain things while excusing the behavior of the guys.

what if they guy is in the same condition as the girl?

I think we tell girls and boys... no drinking before you are 21, after 21 no drinking to the point you are drunk, no sleeping with people you are not dating.

Why do I get push back from that notion?

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Anonymous wrote:People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them. Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse.

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: hookup culture is bad! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.

How is that irrelevant? If the hook up culture has guys having sex with a bunch of wasted girls that black out and can't remember a thing and tell him what a great time they had and they come back for more... how is that not relevant to the problem on college campuses. How is a guy to know when a girl is going to say, they didn't consent, when the same situation happened 20 times before and it was consent?

It's irrelevant because hooking up had nothing to do with this case, because SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS.

She was not unconscious when she first hooked up with him.

Doesn't matter. When a person becomes unconscious, you're not having sex with them anymore, it's rape. You take them to the hospital so they'll recover in a safe place. You don't worry about getting laid when a person's health is at stake.

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I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. The simple thing one can take away from this, is DON'T RAPE.

That's it. It's simple. It's completely simple. Just don't.

The details about the victim do not matter. Her choices are hers alone. None of them matter, with regards to rape - JUST DON'T RAPE. DON'T ASSAULT. It's so fucking easy to avoid.

Teach your son's DON'T RAPE. Clearly Brock's parents, especially his dad, failed to teach his kid this very simple thing. It isn't hard or complicated at all.

If there's any doubt, then DON'T. How any of this is complicated is mind boggling.

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My partner told me a few stories from the days before we met that showed me how real men behave. Once, a roommate of his, who was completely off the rails, brought home a girl who was young, beautiful, and completely wasted on mushrooms. She wandered to my partner's room and decided she wanted to hang out there. The MN who had brought her was long gone and my partner didn't know what to do other than make sure she was ok. He said she was rubbing on him and trying her best to have sex, but he said she was so high, there was no way he was going to even kiss her. He managed to keep her amused in other ways until she finally fell asleep. He didn't lie- he said it was very, very difficult to hold back- but he knew it would have been a horrible thing to do. He was drinking as well, but still had the character to be like a big brother to this young lady, instead of a sex starved man that can't control himself.
He told me this happened again with a woman on a date, who had a few drinks and kept saying yes, no, yes, no. He tucked her in and let her sleep it off. I'm sure both women were appreciative of the kindness.
Real men cover passed out girls with a blanket or get them home safely. They don't touch them and then claim consent later. The drinking has always existed and will always exist. We can and will teach our daughters safety, but if the unexpected happens, it should be expected of men to act like decent humans. This isn't an issue of drinking, it's the issue of how a man can learn to not rape. Why are so many men so rapey? Why does almost every woman have an assault story?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. The simple thing one can take away from this, is DON'T RAPE.

That's it. It's simple. It's completely simple. Just don't.

The details about the victim do not matter. Her choices are hers alone. None of them matter, with regards to rape - JUST DON'T RAPE. DON'T ASSAULT. It's so fucking easy to avoid.

Teach your son's DON'T RAPE. Clearly Brock's parents, especially his dad, failed to teach his kid this very simple thing. It isn't hard or complicated at all.

If there's any doubt, then DON'T. How any of this is complicated is mind boggling.

THANK YOU. +1,000,000 EXACTLY.

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I cannot believe I have to type this out, but okay, sure, why not. Hooking up is about women and men engaging in consensual sexual activity at a rate which some people find alarming... blah, blah, blah.

Hook up culture is about binge drinking, getting wasted, hooking up with somebody, anybody that night, not really knowing who it is or caring and not really remembering it and then laughing about it in the morning.

Rape is the LACK of consent. Everybody agrees there.

But nobody has the definition of consent. Even the California statue says when the assault occurs due to limited capacity due to drugs or alcohol the would be rapist has to show they knew the person is of a limited capacity ... so if a really big drinker who holds her liquor pretty well can appear to be sober enough to sort of consent, it is okay.... or is it? In addition, each state has a different definition of consent.

Also the time that consent ends, is vague as well. Is it 1 second after she passes out, 1 second before she passes out. Do you have to look her in the eyes the whole time to make sure they are open, do you ask her to open them every 1 second just to check. Really?

Just because somebody is drunk and slurring their words or even stumbling ... does not mean they can not consent.

It creates a gray area, where a woman feels she was raped but the other party feels it was consensual. It is a problem.

Okay, here's my advice. If it's a gray area and a guy isn't sure whether a woman is so drunk she can legally consent to sex, then it's time for him to take his toys and go home and beat off. At the best, we would hope the guy actually cares whether the woman consents or not and he wants to be a good buy. But at the worst, he should worry about whether he can be charged with a crime.

And what's the worst that happens if she really wants it and he decides she's too drunk to give consent? Some people don't have sex with each other and they go home and masturbate. Such a tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:My partner told me a few stories from the days before we met that showed me how real men behave. Once, a roommate of his, who was completely off the rails, brought home a girl who was young, beautiful, and completely wasted on mushrooms. She wandered to my partner's room and decided she wanted to hang out there. The MN who had brought her was long gone and my partner didn't know what to do other than make sure she was ok. He said she was rubbing on him and trying her best to have sex, but he said she was so high, there was no way he was going to even kiss her. He managed to keep her amused in other ways until she finally fell asleep. He didn't lie- he said it was very, very difficult to hold back- but he knew it would have been a horrible thing to do. He was drinking as well, but still had the character to be like a big brother to this young lady, instead of a sex starved man that can't control himself.
He told me this happened again with a woman on a date, who had a few drinks and kept saying yes, no, yes, no. He tucked her in and let her sleep it off. I'm sure both women were appreciative of the kindness.
Real men cover passed out girls with a blanket or get them home safely. They don't touch them and then claim consent later. The drinking has always existed and will always exist. We can and will teach our daughters safety, but if the unexpected happens, it should be expected of men to act like decent humans. This isn't an issue of drinking, it's the issue of how a man can learn to not rape. Why are so many men so rapey? Why does almost every woman have an assault story?

Not all men are rape. Not every woman has a story.

I've also never gotten drunk at a hookup bar or party, either. I don't want to hookup, and I never have.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the women posters here are identifying with the alleged victim and making a lot of assumptions in her favor about what happened that night. How was there rape beyond a reasonable doubt when she remembers nothing about the course of events and he testified he got consent? If she was unconscious the whole time and got dragged behind the dumpster, then it's obviously rape. But if they both drunkenly ran off to hook up in the only nearby secluded place (behind a dumpster) and started mutually getting it on, then it's not rape. Even if she went to sleep in the middle. And I haven't heard of any actual evidence, like a third-party witness, distinguishing those two situations. It's not good enough that the girl says in her statement that she's not the kind of person who would do that. She doesn't remember. Or, if she is going to deny consent based on her moral character (I have a boyfriend), she can't complain about being asked about promiscuity, etc., since that goes to the question of whether she consented.

Rape trials used to be so f-ed up against women -- who had to prove that they tried to fight off the attacker, etc. in order to disprove consent -- but now they are so f-ed up against men. The public presumption has completely switched from consent to no-consent whenever someone is prosecuted for rape. And the man on trial is lambasted even for having a lawyer defend him or appealing, which is how the legal system works.

Also, everyone is misinterpreting the dad's use of the word "action." He wasn't saying that his son got 20 mins of action from a girl. He was saying that 20 mins of behavior shouldn't result in a long prison sentence. He used action like a neutral word for behavior/conduct because he couldn't say 20 minutes of "sex" or "raping".

there were witnesses though. the two swedes. he was assaulting an unconscious woman. do you refute this?

This was also a full grown woman with a full time job and a serious boyfriend... who was out at a party drinking to the point of passing out and hooking up and leaving with a 19 year old guy. She was a bit out of control that night and I really don't doubt that she intended to fool around with this guy. She likely passed out while they were fooling around and the hot and bothered guy didn't have the decency to get off of her. The Swedes came on the scene, tackled the guy and called the cops.

The woman was so passed out drunk that she slept through the cops coming on the scene (and apparently taking pics of her!), the ambulance ride and then later continued to sleep at the hospital for 2 hours. When she woke up she had no memory of what happened to her and I assume that someone told her that she had been assaulted. She didn't know or remember what had happened to her so she agreed to that invasive examination and more photographs of her naked body - she was even told that she needed to do another HIV test in a few months just to be sure. She must have been absolutely terrified as to WTH had happened to her. She later found out in the newspaper, while sitting at her desk at work , what had happened, how she was found. The Newspaper!

So she expected the guy to accept a plea deal to avoid a trial and that didn't happen. I would imagine that she will try to go for compensatory damages...and maybe the lighter sentence will make it easier for this guy to finish school, get a job and compensate her for damages. It's a tough situation for sure.

wow lots of assumptions on your part. its so interesting how many people seem to know exactly what happened here.

Most of it is from her letter. Some of it is filling in.

uh huh....

Read her letter.

I did. twice. you have no idea if she intended on fooling around with the guy. and you have no idea when she passed out. And neither does she.

NP here. It doesn't matter if she intended to fool around with him. She can change her mind any point, even after they get started. And HE should have noticed if the person he was fooling around with PASSED OUT, not to mention the other signs that should've told him that fooling around with her (or continuing to do so) was not a good idea. It can be criminal - as in this case -- or at the very least, you're a scumbag who preys on drunk girls. You want to focus on her lack of judgment - well, where was his judgment? He was so intent on getting some that he didn't stop to notice how drunk she was? What good can come of fooling around with a girl in that situation? Decent, moral guys walk away from those situations.

yes I know this. but PP was making up a narrative above about how things went down. And I was just telling that person that they have no idea what went down preceding the assault which was witnessed

Yes. Even if she was totally on board and left that party with him willingly, even if she had gone behind the dumpsters and had willingly begun to fool around with him, the minute she became unresponsive and unaware of her surroundings he needed to stop immediately. We don't know what happened or how they ended up behind the dumpsters.

The Swedes apparently saw what they thought was a rape. I haven't read their statements so I don't know exactly what they have described seeing. But it sounds as though they saw this guy dry humping this half naked, passed out girl - and that is what led them to chase him and tackle him.

No one knows how much these two were doing together before she passed out. It could be that she was actively fooling around with him and that her underwear was removed by her - we don't know. Maybe she passed out on the sidewalk and he dragged her unconscious body behind the dumpster and proceeded to remove her clothes and assault her. We don't know.

One thing that we do know is that no woman on God's green earth would ever want to be in a situation like this. This woman has been violated so many times - by this guy shoving his fingers into her or at least dry humping her passed out body, by the cops photographing her half naked passed out body, by the complete rape kit exam (swabbing, dye, more stuff shoved into her) and the additional crime photographs of her naked body. Now the trial and seeing all of that graphic evidence splayed out for all to see.

As a woman, this whole process absolutely sickens me. But I also see how - because of her drunken, unresponsive state the authorities had no more idea what happened to this woman than she did.

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Yes. Even if she was totally on board and left that party with him willingly, even if she had gone behind the dumpsters and had willingly begun to fool around with him, the minute she became unresponsive and unaware of her surroundings he needed to stop immediately. We don't know what happened or how they ended up behind the dumpsters.

The Swedes apparently saw what they thought was a rape. I haven't read their statements so I don't know exactly what they have described seeing. But it sounds as though they saw this guy dry humping this half naked, passed out girl - and that is what led them to chase him and tackle him.

No one knows how much these two were doing together before she passed out. It could be that she was actively fooling around with him and that her underwear was removed by her - we don't know. Maybe she passed out on the sidewalk and he dragged her unconscious body behind the dumpster and proceeded to remove her clothes and assault her. We don't know.

One thing that we do know is that no woman on God's green earth would ever want to be in a situation like this. This woman has been violated so many times - by this guy shoving his fingers into her or at least dry humping her passed out body, by the cops photographing her half naked passed out body, by the complete rape kit exam (swabbing, dye, more stuff shoved into her) and the additional crime photographs of her naked body. Now the trial and seeing all of that graphic evidence splayed out for all to see.

As a woman, this whole process absolutely sickens me. But I also see how - because of her drunken, unresponsive state the authorities had no more idea what happened to this woman than she did.

If f the Swedes hadn't come by, whatever he had done before or after she passed out, she never would have known. Nobody would have known, not her, not us.

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Anonymous wrote:People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them. Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse.

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: hookup culture is bad! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.

How is that irrelevant? If the hook up culture has guys having sex with a bunch of wasted girls that black out and can't remember a thing and tell him what a great time they had and they come back for more... how is that not relevant to the problem on college campuses. How is a guy to know when a girl is going to say, they didn't consent, when the same situation happened 20 times before and it was consent?

Perhaps we need to teach our sons to do a better job of recognizing and understanding what could happen. If a girl is THAT drunk, or if she says yes but then no and then yes again, or if she is on the verge of passing out, or she can't walk, or is slurring her speech so badly that you can't understand her - WALK AWAY. Exercise restraint, recognize that this is not how you want to be getting laid, understand the consequences. Just as we would tell our daughters not to get so drunk that they black out, or not to walk home alone, and exercise personal safety, we should also be teaching our sons not to take advantage of drunk girls or get so drunk that they don't recognize that the girl they are about to have sex with is also too drunk to know what's going on. You don't solve the "hookup culture" on college campuses by simply telling girls not to do certain things while excusing the behavior of the guys.

what if they guy is in the same condition as the girl?

I think we tell girls and boys... no drinking before you are 21, after 21 no drinking to the point you are drunk, no sleeping with people you are not dating.

Why do I get push back from that notion?

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Because the fact that he was drunk too has to be ignored for these women to be right. All their protests fall apart. If she was too drunk to know better, consent, etc, it stands to reason he could have been as well - in fact, his BAC level confirmed it. Only women are affected by alcohol, apparently.

Women want their alcohol, their hook ups AND the legal right to state rape, even when it's simply regret or they don't remember

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Anonymous wrote:People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them. Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse.

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: hookup culture is bad! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.

I think it's been posted 70x because some loon kept posting some crap about helping rapists rape.

You mean the person who was pointing out those posters who insist on identifying all the reasons why Emily Doe brought this on herself and what she should've done differently, as opposed to looking at why the guy felt so entitled and how we change that mentality to stop these crimes?

examples, please. stop making this crap up.