War with Iran

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To our American heroes in the theater, bracing for missile strikes and potentially being sent to war, remember who you're fighting for:

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Iran is already a democracy. Idk why people are acting like they aren’t. Their current president was a liberal/against the ayatollah and the religious right

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What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

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Can we get confirmation from a source other than Israeli?

Because my sources are saying he’s alive. Unfortunately.

Great. I can finally sleep well at night. This really changes my life for the better

Exactly. I love how MAGA is pointing to Persians cheering. But, Trump said he was a direct, immediate threat to America, so why aren’t Americans cheering in the street?!

How is this America First?!

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Anonymous wrote:What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

Islam cannot do democracy.

So unless you plan on mass re-education of 90 million people, a friendly monarchy is the best bet

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There is enormous support for regime change both within Iran and among the Iranian diaspora. In Toronto alone, 350,000 people marched in support of Iranian protesters last month. And the collapse of the Iranian regime is good not just for the Middle East, but also for Europe and Ukraine. The Iranian regime has been an important ally of Russia, supplying it with Shaheed drones. It should be expected that Canada and most western and Middle Eastern allies support regime change in Iran. The death of the ayatollah and most of the Iranian leadership on the first day is pretty much being celebrated in every major capital.

Well said. It should also be noted that approximately 36,500 people have reportedly been killed by the Iranian regime since December. After more than 40 years of repression, brutality, and systemic violence, the true human cost of this regime will never be fully known. Today is a day to be celebrated.

Change is needed in Iran *AND* Trump taking action in an illegal and dangerous way for the wrong reasons.

Yes, I agree.

Normal, cautious Presidents would never have done this, because they would have sought public support (which after Iraq would never have been forthcoming) and would not have liked their odds, given US history in the middle east. It takes a truly impulsive and risk-accepting President, one who believes he is special and immune to making the usual mistakes, to make such an extremely rash decision. Without warning European allies, even - Italy's defense minister is currently in Bahrain with his family, sheltering in a parking garage with other people.

But IF Iran can install a more open-minded regime (let's not hope for a democracy) with minimal bloodshed, plus an agreement on nuclear arms, and be rewarded with a lifting of international sanctions, which will allow it to breathe economically once again... I will give credit where credit is due.

Unfortunately this has very little chance of happening.

Please the Israelis have been saying for the past 35 years- Iran is weeks away from the bomb. Israel wants to make to make every country in the Middle East a failed state. Next up Turkey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zUG99zt3r8
^^ as old Israel and Bibi! Has been saying Iran is weeks away from a nuclear bomb since 1996!!

The Israelis are so lazy they just use the same tired old stuff they said about Iraq, Iran - weapons of mass destruction, weeks away from nuclear weapons, they fund Hezbollah/hamas, etc. Next up Turkey! They have already started it.

Oh and you will only get a more radical regime in Iran but they will be a lot smarter. They will build their nuclear bomb in Pakistan and they will not allow Israel to strike first.

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“Iran’s aim now is to absorb US and Israeli attacks, hold its position and signal expansion of war, and wait for worried regional actors to mediate a ceasefire. They expect that if Trump does not get a quick win then he will look for an exit, and negotiations afterwards will be different.“

-Vali Nasr

So, uh, TACO?

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Anonymous wrote:Iran is already a democracy. Idk why people are acting like they aren’t. Their current president was a liberal/against the ayatollah and the religious right

This is false. He's called a "reformist" but that's extremely constrained to just a few issues, like economic and other policies, not "against the ayatollah and religious right."

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Anonymous wrote:What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

Islam cannot do democracy.

So unless you plan on mass re-education of 90 million people, a friendly monarchy is the best bet

Judaism cannot do democracy. They make Americans go kiss the wall in Israel. You don’t see the Muslims making non Muslims go to Mecca to pray. Netanyahu been prime minister for longer than the last 3 Iranian presidents combined and all of the Middle East leaders. In Florida and other states, first amendment free speech is now being policed so the US constitution is apparently secondary to Israel.

Iran has a democracy and theocracy combined kinda like Israel. That’s what makes this so ironic. Iran and Israel have lots in common. Netanyahu forgets his own people were protesting the sexist and extremist far right government not too long ago

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Anonymous wrote:What we actually want is against democracy. We want to install the shah/king of Iran’s son back in power. His father was exiled out of Iran in the late 70s and the US initially encouraged the Islamic revolution and this same current government against the Shah. Now we want the shahs son back? Wtf?

Islam cannot do democracy.

So unless you plan on mass re-education of 90 million people, a friendly monarchy is the best bet

Iran in 1953 Iran was a democracy but the US killed it and installed the brutal dictator.

Oh and Israel does not do democracy. They do apartheid. Maybe Israel could be fixed with a UN occupation and nation building but I doubt it. Israel is a lost cause. In 15 years the Ultra-Orthodox Haredi will be 25% of the population and are projected to grow at 14-15% with their 7.2 children per family.

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Anonymous wrote:Iran is already a democracy. Idk why people are acting like they aren’t. Their current president was a liberal/against the ayatollah and the religious right

This is false. He's called a "reformist" but that's extremely constrained to just a few issues, like economic and other policies, not "against the ayatollah and religious right."

Really republicans and Israelis telling the world what is a democracy and what is not?

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Anonymous wrote:“Iran’s aim now is to absorb US and Israeli attacks, hold its position and signal expansion of war, and wait for worried regional actors to mediate a ceasefire. They expect that if Trump does not get a quick win then he will look for an exit, and negotiations afterwards will be different.“

-Vali Nasr

So, uh, TACO?

Sounds about right.
Trump is the poster child for immediate gratification.

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Anonymous wrote:NBC: “Are you committing your missiles won’t have the capability to reach 🇺🇸?”

Iranian FM: “Yes.”

NBC: “Then why are you bombing our bases?”

Iranian FM: “Because they’re attacking us.”

I mean, is NBC stupid?

Yes.

Let’s face it guys.

America is stupid.

Our media is stupid.

Our voters are stupid.

Our government is stupid.

Less stupid than the Iranian one, apparently.

Can’t wait to hear why you think this.

Self evident, no?

We are going to spend billions and America lives again for someone else’s war while Iran blows up bases around the Middle East and drives up gas prices?

I mean, Iran was just sitting there. Now we are suckers once again. We did it this time to help support a child predator.

The supreme leader is likely dead and terrorists cells will be activated. I’m most certainly not flying anywhere any time soon.

We right now have the dumbest leadership in the history of the country.

Did you feel the same about Libya?

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Anonymous wrote:Iran is already a democracy. Idk why people are acting like they aren’t. Their current president was a liberal/against the ayatollah and the religious right

This is false. He's called a "reformist" but that's extremely constrained to just a few issues, like economic and other policies, not "against the ayatollah and religious right."

He was a reformist ala MBS but unlike Saudi Arabia, he’s not an absolute monarch so he cannot just make changes.

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Anonymous wrote:How much influence does Israel have over Canada? I am really surprised how supportive Carney has been given Davos, Canadian retreat from Trump and US tourism, the Gordie Howe bridge, etc. Even those who like him there pulled back after making cracks about annexing Canada, Still, Carney is the liberal leader there.

Is anyone else surprised?

Canada, Germany, UK, France have all been equally supportive. They have sizable Persian diaspora populations, so this is probably smart feel-good politics. I suspect there may be a bit of a quid pro quo on Iran and Ukraine. This is going to majorly impede Russia’s abilities to acquire Iranian drones and missiles

+1 This is my hope

Not so fast. Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz, and the problem is that oil prices will skyrocket. If that goes on for too long, Putin's Russia will make a mint off their oil. People don't quite understand that Russia is a one-trick pony and its only resource is oil. It needs the oil money more than it needs weaponry from abroad, since it can make weaponry and indeed, has transformed its economy into a war economy. The war has dragged into a stalemate at the front because Russia is now squeezed by low oil prices. If they go back up... Russia might win the war.

So we do NOT want a long-drawn out conflict in the Middle East.

That’s why Israel/America invaded Venezuela to get the oil to avoid this type of situation but apparently that isnt going to plan either and the oil isnt thst good over there

Everyone knows, or should know, that Venezuela's oil rigs and infrastructure are so damaged from lack of maintenance that it would take many years to rebuild them and many more years to make any sort of profit. Oil companies said as much when Maduro was captured and Trump invited them back in.

So no. No nation on earth thought Venezuela could be a quick fix to Iran closing the strait of Hormuz. It's a long-term investment, rather, and only for companies with deep pockets and nations willing to wait.

Netanyahu and Trump thought Venezuela would be a quick fix