War with Iran

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Robert Pape is a UChicago professor and one of the leading experts on air power. He has advised every White House since 2001 (43 W) to 2024 (46 Biden), including Trump 45.

He paints a terrible picture of the war now and the consequences into the future.

Can anyone point to a single academic expert that says the Iran invasion is a good thing?


The Iran War Expert: I Simulated The Iran War for 20 Years. Here’s What Happens Next

Trump IS TRAPPED In Iran Escalation Nightmare

There are a whole bunch of experts saying the Iranians have not used their best missiles and drones. They are still using old and outdated missiles to deplete the air defenses. The next stage of the war will be a lot more destructive in Israel, the gulf states and the US.

Though they have been saying it on long time.
https://youtu.be/pJRmkd3H4DY?si=8h-CZBBj3k8gVrOZ

Air defenses of Israel and US has collapsed
https://www.youtube.com/live/nMjMz8yL_kk?si=5BFBhRX_wkaYX70R

Yeah, that's the exact point. Everyone should listen to the first YT video linked in pp. This guy (Pape) explains everything from the Iran invasion, to historical wars in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, etc, American politics and geopolitics. It's 90 minutes long but anyone that has an opinion should have background info to work with.

If not Pape, then listen to Mearsheimer. These are literally the people that IR/Policy experts at DIA/State and Mass Ave think tanks have studied.

It shows you how much MSM is all in with killing American soldiers by waving a false flag of victory because the experts are not appearing on their channels to say how stupid this invasion is.

[Anonymous]

Why are we war with Iran? Any speculations on how long and end results of this war to be like? It seems like lose-lose situations.

[Anonymous]

None of this is normal. Israel is a belligerent, monstrous evil thrust upon the ME because the God damned Germans (and the west as a whole) were never forced to give up their own land for what they did.

The Middle East paying the price for European Christianity not being able to control their ancient hatred for Jews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's time to drop tactical nuke

Pretty sure both parties are considering that. Trump’s Christian holy war forced out the more moderator brought in the more extreme leader, and they killed the extremist leaders entire family. All of that nuclear material is still out there and this guy is much more apt to want to use it I just hope it stays on that side of the ocean.

There is zero evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapon. It's all just fearmongering and lying.

Iran's nuclear material was never enriched to weapons grade concentrations.

Nuclear material enriched at the level that they had does not equal a bomb.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-close-to-a-nuclear-bomb-experts-say/

Yes, and my point was that despite what you are saying being true, trumps holy war has put someone in charge that is more hardline and now very angry. All of the nuclear material exists. They might now consider doing what was not on the table before Trump started all this.

What are the domestic survival chances of an even more hardline regime? Millions took to the streets in over 190 Iranian cities just a few months ago because the regime was highly unpopular. An even more hardline and extreme regime will be even less popular. While Iranians didn't want to see Ali Khameini killed, they did want to see him arrested, prosecuted and put behind bars. And now we see the nepotism of Mojtaba, the son of corrupt Ali put in charge, a guy who was even closer to the brutal IRGC crackdown that resulted in the murder of 30,000 unarmed protesters. How popular with the masses do you really think that is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

None of this is normal. Israel is a belligerent, monstrous evil thrust upon the ME because the God damned Germans (and the west as a whole) were never forced to give up their own land for what they did.

The Middle East paying the price for European Christianity not being able to control their ancient hatred for Jews.

To be clear and add context you omit, Arabs tried genocoding the Jews from the day they stepped off boats as refugees in Palestine.

To be clear and add context you omit, Iran has been directing blind hatred and evil at the West every single day since 1979.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's time to drop tactical nuke

Pretty sure both parties are considering that. Trump’s Christian holy war forced out the more moderator brought in the more extreme leader, and they killed the extremist leaders entire family. All of that nuclear material is still out there and this guy is much more apt to want to use it I just hope it stays on that side of the ocean.

There is zero evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapon. It's all just fearmongering and lying.

Iran's nuclear material was never enriched to weapons grade concentrations.

Nuclear material enriched at the level that they had does not equal a bomb.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-close-to-a-nuclear-bomb-experts-say/

Yes, and my point was that despite what you are saying being true, trumps holy war has put someone in charge that is more hardline and now very angry. All of the nuclear material exists. They might now consider doing what was not on the table before Trump started all this.

What are the domestic survival chances of an even more hardline regime? Millions took to the streets in over 190 Iranian cities just a few months ago because the regime was highly unpopular. An even more hardline and extreme regime will be even less popular. While Iranians didn't want to see Ali Khameini killed, they did want to see him arrested, prosecuted and put behind bars. And now we see the nepotism of Mojtaba, the son of corrupt Ali put in charge, a guy who was even closer to the brutal IRGC crackdown that resulted in the murder of 30,000 unarmed protesters. How popular with the masses do you really think that is?

I think that people will unite behind their own leadership when you are murdering their children in their schools. However, that’s not terribly relevant when we’re talking about whether or not their leader will direct scientist to further enrich uranium or if they were gonna create dirty bombs. Trump is creating five terrorist for everyone that he thinks he’s killing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are we war with Iran? Any speculations on how long and end results of this war to be like? It seems like lose-lose situations.

The Iranians have said it. Trump broke two attempts to broker an agreement by being sheisty and attacked Iran in the middle of negotiations. Iran won't agree to any ceasefire until three conditions are met:

The Ayatollah insisted that lasting peace requires the unquestioned recognition of Iran’s legitimate rights, payment of comprehensive reparations, and firm international guarantees to prevent any repetition of aggression.

Which means that Trump would have to somehow agree to that while trying to spin it into a win.

At some point, the world is going to turn against Israel and the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

None of this is normal. Israel is a belligerent, monstrous evil thrust upon the ME because the God damned Germans (and the west as a whole) were never forced to give up their own land for what they did.

The Middle East paying the price for European Christianity not being able to control their ancient hatred for Jews.

To be clear and add context you omit, Arabs tried genocoding the Jews from the day they stepped off boats as refugees in Palestine.

To be clear and add context you omit, Iran has been directing blind hatred and evil at the West every single day since 1979.

Huh, weird. Did something happen there around 1979?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

None of this is normal. Israel is a belligerent, monstrous evil thrust upon the ME because the God damned Germans (and the west as a whole) were never forced to give up their own land for what they did.

The Middle East paying the price for European Christianity not being able to control their ancient hatred for Jews.

To be clear and add context you omit, Arabs tried genocoding the Jews from the day they stepped off boats as refugees in Palestine.

To be clear and add context you omit, Iran has been directing blind hatred and evil at the West every single day since 1979.

Huh, weird. Did something happen there around 1979?

Yeah, Iranian students justifiably removed a corrupt American puppet from power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you look at this from the Iranian prospective. The US and Israel are crazy war mongers who want to total destruction of Iran.

There is nothing the Iranians can do but defend themselves against the US and Israel. Enter in to negotiations, you get attacked regardless of how the negotiations are proceeding. Sign a treaty, you get attacked. What are the options for Iran?

Listen to the rhetoric used in the US and Israel. Iran has not attacked a single country in 47 years and was more than capable of making a nuclear bomb if they had the desire. Yet it is a constant drum beat to destroy Iran.

The US and even crazier Israelis are rogue nations.

Virtually everything you just said is misleading, leaving out important context, or is outright false.

The claim that Iran has 'not attacked a single country in 47 years' omits a large amount of well documented activity. While Iran has not launched a conventional full scale invasion since the end of the Iran Iraq War in 1988, it has repeatedly supported and directed armed groups that carry out attacks across the Middle East. Iran's government, primarily through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force, has provided funding, weapons, training, and operational guidance to groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. Hezbollah alone has carried out attacks against Israeli civilians and military targets for decades and was responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Support for proxy warfare is widely understood in international relations as a form of state sponsored violence, even if the sponsoring state does not send its own army across a border.

Iran has also been directly linked to attacks on international shipping and regional targets in recent years. The United States, European governments, and independent investigators have attributed several tanker attacks in the Gulf region in 2019 to Iranian forces or Iranian backed actors. Iran has also supplied missiles and drones to the Houthi movement in Yemen, which has used them to strike Saudi Arabia and international shipping routes in the Red Sea. In 2024, Iran launched a large scale missile and drone attack directly at Israel following a strike on Iranian personnel in Syria. Even though most of those projectiles were intercepted, the event itself demonstrates that Iran is willing to carry out direct military attacks beyond its borders when it chooses.

The claim that Iran simply wants peaceful negotiations but is attacked regardless is also incomplete. Iran did sign the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the United States, the European Union, Russia, and China in 2015. That agreement significantly limited Iran's uranium enrichment and nuclear stockpile in exchange for sanctions relief. The United States withdrew from the agreement in 2018 under Donald Trump, which was widely criticized by many international observers and allies. However, since that withdrawal Iran has progressively exceeded the enrichment limits set by the deal, enriching uranium to levels far closer to weapons grade and restricting some international inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. These actions contribute to ongoing international concern about Iran's nuclear intentions, even among countries that supported the original agreement.

It is also inaccurate to portray Israel and the United States as uniquely hostile without acknowledging the explicit positions taken by Iran's leadership toward Israel. Senior Iranian officials, including former Supreme Leader allies and members of the Revolutionary Guard, have repeatedly called for the elimination of the Israeli state. Iran does not recognize Israel's legitimacy and has consistently supported armed groups that seek Israel's destruction. From Israel's perspective, a government that funds and arms organizations dedicated to its destruction while pursuing advanced nuclear capabilities represents a serious security threat. That context is critical to understanding why tensions remain high.

Finally, the idea that Iran has always been capable of building a nuclear weapon but simply chooses not to ignores the extensive international monitoring and sanctions that have shaped Iran's nuclear program for decades. Intelligence agencies and the IAEA have concluded that Iran conducted organized weapons related nuclear research in the early 2000s before suspending parts of that work. Since then the international community has attempted to constrain the program through diplomacy and inspections rather than war. The situation is therefore not a simple story of two aggressive nations targeting an innocent state. It is a complex geopolitical conflict involving proxy warfare, ideological hostility, regional power competition, and disputed nuclear ambitions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at this from the Iranian prospective. The US and Israel are crazy war mongers who want to total destruction of Iran.

There is nothing the Iranians can do but defend themselves against the US and Israel. Enter in to negotiations, you get attacked regardless of how the negotiations are proceeding. Sign a treaty, you get attacked. What are the options for Iran?

Listen to the rhetoric used in the US and Israel. Iran has not attacked a single country in 47 years and was more than capable of making a nuclear bomb if they had the desire. Yet it is a constant drum beat to destroy Iran.

The US and even crazier Israelis are rogue nations.

Virtually everything you just said is misleading, leaving out important context, or is outright false.

The claim that Iran has 'not attacked a single country in 47 years' omits a large amount of well documented activity. While Iran has not launched a conventional full scale invasion since the end of the Iran Iraq War in 1988, it has repeatedly supported and directed armed groups that carry out attacks across the Middle East. Iran's government, primarily through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force, has provided funding, weapons, training, and operational guidance to groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. Hezbollah alone has carried out attacks against Israeli civilians and military targets for decades and was responsible for the 1983 bombing of the US Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Support for proxy warfare is widely understood in international relations as a form of state sponsored violence, even if the sponsoring state does not send its own army across a border.

Iran has also been directly linked to attacks on international shipping and regional targets in recent years. The United States, European governments, and independent investigators have attributed several tanker attacks in the Gulf region in 2019 to Iranian forces or Iranian backed actors. Iran has also supplied missiles and drones to the Houthi movement in Yemen, which has used them to strike Saudi Arabia and international shipping routes in the Red Sea. In 2024, Iran launched a large scale missile and drone attack directly at Israel following a strike on Iranian personnel in Syria. Even though most of those projectiles were intercepted, the event itself demonstrates that Iran is willing to carry out direct military attacks beyond its borders when it chooses.

The claim that Iran simply wants peaceful negotiations but is attacked regardless is also incomplete. Iran did sign the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the United States, the European Union, Russia, and China in 2015. That agreement significantly limited Iran's uranium enrichment and nuclear stockpile in exchange for sanctions relief. The United States withdrew from the agreement in 2018 under Donald Trump, which was widely criticized by many international observers and allies. However, since that withdrawal Iran has progressively exceeded the enrichment limits set by the deal, enriching uranium to levels far closer to weapons grade and restricting some international inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. These actions contribute to ongoing international concern about Iran's nuclear intentions, even among countries that supported the original agreement.

It is also inaccurate to portray Israel and the United States as uniquely hostile without acknowledging the explicit positions taken by Iran's leadership toward Israel. Senior Iranian officials, including former Supreme Leader allies and members of the Revolutionary Guard, have repeatedly called for the elimination of the Israeli state. Iran does not recognize Israel's legitimacy and has consistently supported armed groups that seek Israel's destruction. From Israel's perspective, a government that funds and arms organizations dedicated to its destruction while pursuing advanced nuclear capabilities represents a serious security threat. That context is critical to understanding why tensions remain high.

Finally, the idea that Iran has always been capable of building a nuclear weapon but simply chooses not to ignores the extensive international monitoring and sanctions that have shaped Iran's nuclear program for decades. Intelligence agencies and the IAEA have concluded that Iran conducted organized weapons related nuclear research in the early 2000s before suspending parts of that work. Since then the international community has attempted to constrain the program through diplomacy and inspections rather than war. The situation is therefore not a simple story of two aggressive nations targeting an innocent state. It is a complex geopolitical conflict involving proxy warfare, ideological hostility, regional power competition, and disputed nuclear ambitions.

Israeli troll not worth reading that wall of words.

Israel has not signed onto the NNPT.

Israel is not a party to the ICC. It's the reason why the US is also not part of the ICC.

Israel has committed 10,000s of war crimes during its existence.

Israel has no standing to make any claim against any other person or country.

[Anonymous]

The pentagon is sending a Marine Expeditionary Unit of up to 2,500 to Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pentagon is sending a Marine Expeditionary Unit of up to 2,500 to Iran.

Are they deploying with 2,500 wooden boxes? Why are military families so giddy about receiving medals that they get to proudly brandish because the people that are awarded them don't have the ability to wear them anymore??

[Anonymous]

We’ve lost another six. All the crew from the refueling plane that crashed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’ve lost another six. All the crew from the refueling plane that crashed.

More medals to be awarded during the next SOTU address.

Where are the college students on the streets? They've waved a flag for everything else lately.