DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

Bus only lanes are supposed to be better for the environment. But that's only true if people switch from driving to the bus. If bus only lanes just make drivers sit in traffic longer, then bus-only lanes are *bad* for the environment.

It would be great if the city could provide data showing that existing bus only lanes, some of which are years old, are removing cars from the streets, but they can't because that isn't happening.

Also true of bike lanes

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

Do we need to break out the number of people and bats comparison again?

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

What does this mean? All of the businesses on Georgia Avenue between Barry Place and Eastern Avenue are drive-thru only? That's definitely not true.

If it's not drive-thru, then everyone arriving at the business is arriving as foot traffic. Maybe you can explain how the business owners know whether their customers, who are walking in the door, got there by car or bus or Metro or bike or feet or whatever?

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

Pfft. I'd be surprised if 10 percent of people on Georgia are on the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

Pfft. I'd be surprised if 10 percent of people on Georgia are on the bus.

Who needs data when you can just make stuff up based on what you see through your windshield while driving?

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

Pfft. I'd be surprised if 10 percent of people on Georgia are on the bus.

Prepare to be suprised! 50% of trips on Georgia Ave are via bus.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

What does this mean? All of the businesses on Georgia Avenue between Barry Place and Eastern Avenue are drive-thru only? That's definitely not true.

If it's not drive-thru, then everyone arriving at the business is arriving as foot traffic. Maybe you can explain how the business owners know whether their customers, who are walking in the door, got there by car or bus or Metro or bike or feet or whatever?

Go drive down Georgia Avenue. There's not a lot of people on the sidewalks, and there's a lot of businesses that look like they havent seen a customer in years.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

Pfft. I'd be surprised if 10 percent of people on Georgia are on the bus.

Prepare to be suprised! 50% of trips on Georgia Ave are via bus.

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Yeah this seems like asking Trump who is the most popular presidential candidate. Maybe we shouldnt rely on data on the people who want to make it look like buses are extremely popular.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

What does this mean? All of the businesses on Georgia Avenue between Barry Place and Eastern Avenue are drive-thru only? That's definitely not true.

If it's not drive-thru, then everyone arriving at the business is arriving as foot traffic. Maybe you can explain how the business owners know whether their customers, who are walking in the door, got there by car or bus or Metro or bike or feet or whatever?

Go drive down Georgia Avenue. There's not a lot of people on the sidewalks, and there's a lot of businesses that look like they havent seen a customer in years.

Your information source is "this is what I see while I'm driving"? That's not data.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

What does this mean? All of the businesses on Georgia Avenue between Barry Place and Eastern Avenue are drive-thru only? That's definitely not true.

If it's not drive-thru, then everyone arriving at the business is arriving as foot traffic. Maybe you can explain how the business owners know whether their customers, who are walking in the door, got there by car or bus or Metro or bike or feet or whatever?

Go drive down Georgia Avenue. There's not a lot of people on the sidewalks, and there's a lot of businesses that look like they havent seen a customer in years.

Your information source is "this is what I see while I'm driving"? That's not data.

I also don't need data to tell me whether there are polar bears roller skating down Georgia Avenue.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

Pfft. I'd be surprised if 10 percent of people on Georgia are on the bus.

Who needs data when you can just make stuff up based on what you see through your windshield while driving?

Look at the WMATA web site. There's a bus tracker! You can see how many buses are currently on Georgia Avenue! Spoiler alert: There's very few.

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

Those "very few" buses still manage to move some 20,000 people a day you realize, right? That's half the users on GA. With a bus lane, they still would only get 1/3 of the road surface.

This is a completely different situation than the bike lanes on CT, which you also oppose, which had a hypothetical daily use in the hundreds. GA has 20,000 people right now stuck in those never ending lines of cars. A bus lane would cut tens of thousands of commutes down, and potentially entice people out of their cars into the faster buses.

Thinking more broadly, emergency vehicles would be able to get to emergencies much faster using these bus lanes. It would also lead to less traffic and parking demand downtown. Seems like an absolute slam dunk.

Pfft. I'd be surprised if 10 percent of people on Georgia are on the bus.

Who needs data when you can just make stuff up based on what you see through your windshield while driving?

Look at the WMATA web site. There's a bus tracker! You can see how many buses are currently on Georgia Avenue! Spoiler alert: There's very few.

It's 9:49 am, I just looked at the 70 bus, and there are 12 of them on the route.

Here are some fun facts about buses:

1. They can carry a lot of people
2. People can get on and off along the way

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

Look at the bus web site. Even during rush hour, there's very few buses on Georgia Avenue. As business owners will tell you, there's not a lot of foot traffic either. it's mostly just cars.

What does this mean? All of the businesses on Georgia Avenue between Barry Place and Eastern Avenue are drive-thru only? That's definitely not true.

If it's not drive-thru, then everyone arriving at the business is arriving as foot traffic. Maybe you can explain how the business owners know whether their customers, who are walking in the door, got there by car or bus or Metro or bike or feet or whatever?

Go drive down Georgia Avenue. There's not a lot of people on the sidewalks, and there's a lot of businesses that look like they havent seen a customer in years.

Your information source is "this is what I see while I'm driving"? That's not data.

The bus is so popular that WMATA proposed draconian cuts in service.

Remind me: Do you propose cuts in service when your product is popular or unpopular?