DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the title of this entire post- isn't "destroying traffic" the goal? Do we want traffic?

For some reason people think replacing POV traffic, which has the highest fatality rate, with bus traffic, which has one of the lowest fatality rates, will somehow lead to an increase in fatalities because drivers will seek out kids on side-streets to run over in their rage and this is a good reason to maintain the status quo.

Except you're not actually replacing it and nobody "seeks out kids on side streets to run over in their rage".

I would have thought by now that you would have realized that your constant lies and attempts at demonization have backfired. But I guess not.

Eh. You're the one who's demonizing drivers, by asserting that they will drive dangerously through side streets and kill children.

You can tell the people in favor of this plan do not really care about safety, and that this plan is really just about spiting drivers, because this plan will *obviously* put a lot of children in danger by redirecting traffic from Georgia Avenue to the quiet streets of Ward 4, and advocates of this absurd plan are suddenly trivializing people's concerns about safety.

You can tell the people opposed to this plan do not really care about safety, and their opposition is just about driver convenience, because if they actually cared about safety, they would be out there demanding traffic calming on the "quiet streets" of Ward 4.

Ok Jan

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the title of this entire post- isn't "destroying traffic" the goal? Do we want traffic?

For some reason people think replacing POV traffic, which has the highest fatality rate, with bus traffic, which has one of the lowest fatality rates, will somehow lead to an increase in fatalities because drivers will seek out kids on side-streets to run over in their rage and this is a good reason to maintain the status quo.

Except you're not actually replacing it and nobody "seeks out kids on side streets to run over in their rage".

I would have thought by now that you would have realized that your constant lies and attempts at demonization have backfired. But I guess not.

Eh. You're the one who's demonizing drivers, by asserting that they will drive dangerously through side streets and kill children.

You can tell the people in favor of this plan do not really care about safety, and that this plan is really just about spiting drivers, because this plan will *obviously* put a lot of children in danger by redirecting traffic from Georgia Avenue to the quiet streets of Ward 4, and advocates of this absurd plan are suddenly trivializing people's concerns about safety.

You can tell the people opposed to this plan do not really care about safety, and their opposition is just about driver convenience, because if they actually cared about safety, they would be out there demanding traffic calming on the "quiet streets" of Ward 4.

Ok Jan

The Team Driver Convenience people don't even meme well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the title of this entire post- isn't "destroying traffic" the goal? Do we want traffic?

For some reason people think replacing POV traffic, which has the highest fatality rate, with bus traffic, which has one of the lowest fatality rates, will somehow lead to an increase in fatalities because drivers will seek out kids on side-streets to run over in their rage and this is a good reason to maintain the status quo.

Except you're not actually replacing it and nobody "seeks out kids on side streets to run over in their rage".

I would have thought by now that you would have realized that your constant lies and attempts at demonization have backfired. But I guess not.

Eh. You're the one who's demonizing drivers, by asserting that they will drive dangerously through side streets and kill children.

You can tell the people in favor of this plan do not really care about safety, and that this plan is really just about spiting drivers, because this plan will *obviously* put a lot of children in danger by redirecting traffic from Georgia Avenue to the quiet streets of Ward 4, and advocates of this absurd plan are suddenly trivializing people's concerns about safety.

Let's face it. They wouldn't mind if some kids get killed. They'll just use that to further their arguments to clamp down on driving.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the title of this entire post- isn't "destroying traffic" the goal? Do we want traffic?

For some reason people think replacing POV traffic, which has the highest fatality rate, with bus traffic, which has one of the lowest fatality rates, will somehow lead to an increase in fatalities because drivers will seek out kids on side-streets to run over in their rage and this is a good reason to maintain the status quo.

Except you're not actually replacing it and nobody "seeks out kids on side streets to run over in their rage".

I would have thought by now that you would have realized that your constant lies and attempts at demonization have backfired. But I guess not.

Eh. You're the one who's demonizing drivers, by asserting that they will drive dangerously through side streets and kill children.

You can tell the people in favor of this plan do not really care about safety, and that this plan is really just about spiting drivers, because this plan will *obviously* put a lot of children in danger by redirecting traffic from Georgia Avenue to the quiet streets of Ward 4, and advocates of this absurd plan are suddenly trivializing people's concerns about safety.

Let's face it. They wouldn't mind if some kids get killed. They'll just use that to further their arguments to clamp down on driving.

The people who advocate for safe streets in DC are in favor of the bus lanes.

And then there's you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Have you ever been on stilts? Stilts are far more space-efficient for transporting people than buses, especially buses that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how stilts work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Have you ever been on stilts? Stilts are far more space-efficient for transporting people than buses, especially buses that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how stilts work.

Yes, pedestrians use space even more efficiently than buses. Cars are basically the most inefficient way to transport people. I hope that DDOT widens the sidewalks on Georgia Avenue, while they're putting in the bus lanes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Department of Transportation says an average of one person is killed on Georgia Avenue each year, which seems very low for a major road in a major city. I wonder if this plan would create more problems than it solves.

the plan is to improve bus transit …

Sounds like it is a little unclear what this proposal is supposed to accomplish...

It's quite clear, actually. The purpose of bus lanes is to improve bus service and the efficiency of the street in transporting people. An additional benefit is that it also makes the street safer.

Huh? This plan would radically reduce the number of people who can use Georgia Avenue to get around. It would create gridlock on Georgia Avenue and, as has been pointed out many, many times, there is not a shred of evidence that bus only lanes in DC have increased bus ridership. Even the people who do ride the bus would likely not even go much faster because on Georgia Avenue there is either a traffic light or a bus stop every 12 feet.

Have you ever been on a bus? Buses are far more space-efficient for transporting people than cars, especially cars that only have one person in them. It seems like you don't know very much about how bus lanes work.

Are you eight years old? Seriously, this sounds like an argument that a small child would make.

Yes, even small children understand that many more people can travel in the same amount of road space in buses, versus cars. This is not complicated.

You sound slow, so we'll break it down:

1. The vast majority of people using Georgia Avenue drive
2. If you reduce Georgia Avenue to one lane in each direction, it will create some nasty gridlock that will radically reduce the number of drivers who can use it
3. There is no evidence that bus only lanes increase ridership. If drivers face gridlock, they'll just turn on Waze and go around it using side streets.
4. If you choke off the main way people use Georgia Avenue and bus ridership remains unchanged, then the number of Washingtonians who use Georgia Avenue will plummet.

These proposals seem well meaning but the net, real world effect of them is to make it harder for people to move about the city.

Your point number 1 is flat-out wrong. So there's no need to go on. You're just wrong on the facts.

That's ok, we know you don't have any substantive response.

But you should go check out Georgia Avenue sometime. It sounds like you're unfamiliar.

"Your assertion is factually incorrect" is a substantive response. It sounds like you're mixing up cars and people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the title of this entire post- isn't "destroying traffic" the goal? Do we want traffic?

For some reason people think replacing POV traffic, which has the highest fatality rate, with bus traffic, which has one of the lowest fatality rates, will somehow lead to an increase in fatalities because drivers will seek out kids on side-streets to run over in their rage and this is a good reason to maintain the status quo.

Except you're not actually replacing it and nobody "seeks out kids on side streets to run over in their rage".

I would have thought by now that you would have realized that your constant lies and attempts at demonization have backfired. But I guess not.

Eh. You're the one who's demonizing drivers, by asserting that they will drive dangerously through side streets and kill children.

You can tell the people in favor of this plan do not really care about safety, and that this plan is really just about spiting drivers, because this plan will *obviously* put a lot of children in danger by redirecting traffic from Georgia Avenue to the quiet streets of Ward 4, and advocates of this absurd plan are suddenly trivializing people's concerns about safety.

You can tell the people opposed to this plan do not really care about safety, and their opposition is just about driver convenience, because if they actually cared about safety, they would be out there demanding traffic calming on the "quiet streets" of Ward 4.

Ok Jan

The Team Driver Convenience people don't even meme well.

Do you even meme, bros?