Redshirting August boy?

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Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

If the options are crappy home environment vs age-inappropriate K, then, yes, K might be the best option.

Recommended for health equity reasons because school is better than home for some kids. It's like PP didn't even read the links that are supposedly so convincing.

Rich held back kids can also have a crappy home life. Especially those whose parents ignore their delays.

Not all low income kids have crappy home lives.

Its amazing how many kids go to K at 5 per the APP recommendation and are just fine and yet yours cannot.

This isn't about your kids at all. It's about getting into a private who doesn't have enough slots so they can spread out acceptances by holding back kids. It isn't about the kids at all but about the parent and school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Why can't you change kindergartens? They are not all the same.

Exactly, if you want Montessori, then why wouldn't you do that? Both would be private schools. Your issue is with the curriculum at the school you choose.

If you are saying you are holding back your kids because of social and other delays, then per the APP they are saying to send them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

If the options are crappy home environment vs age-inappropriate K, then, yes, K might be the best option.

Recommended for health equity reasons because school is better than home for some kids. It's like PP didn't even read the links that are supposedly so convincing.

Rich held back kids can also have a crappy home life. Especially those whose parents ignore their delays.

Not all low income kids have crappy home lives.

Its amazing how many kids go to K at 5 per the APP recommendation and are just fine and yet yours cannot.

This isn't about your kids at all. It's about getting into a private who doesn't have enough slots so they can spread out acceptances by holding back kids. It isn't about the kids at all but about the parent and school.

Well you do understand that summer babies are just 1/4 of the kids going into school? No one is holding back November babies or March babies or even June babies. So thus it's not an issue for everyone.

Kindergartens are so poorly ran (not teacher's fault) and have way too many kids. They can't focus on the needs of young kids who just turned 5 that week.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APP recommends full day K.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/35/8/30/24929/Report-on-full-day-kindergarten?redirectedFrom=fulltext

APP study on holding back

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/article-abstract/16/4/26/18381/Redshirting-gets-low-marks-from-experts-on-school?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Another APP article

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Is-Your-Child-Ready-for-School.aspx?_ga=2.11910322.72451483.1673973284-889523071.1673973284&_gl=1*1qyaen5*_ga*ODg5NTIzMDcxLjE2NzM5NzMyODQ.*_ga_FD9D3XZVQQ*MTY3Mzk3MzI4NC4xLjEuMTY3Mzk3MzY5OC4wLjAuMA..

Funny. The experts don’t seem to agree with holding back kids.

If the options are crappy home environment vs age-inappropriate K, then, yes, K might be the best option.

Recommended for health equity reasons because school is better than home for some kids. It's like PP didn't even read the links that are supposedly so convincing.

Rich held back kids can also have a crappy home life. Especially those whose parents ignore their delays.

Not all low income kids have crappy home lives.

Its amazing how many kids go to K at 5 per the APP recommendation and are just fine and yet yours cannot.

This isn't about your kids at all. It's about getting into a private who doesn't have enough slots so they can spread out acceptances by holding back kids. It isn't about the kids at all but about the parent and school.

The kids are alright busy body, rich private school kids don't need you in their corner.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Why can't you change kindergartens? They are not all the same.

Exactly, if you want Montessori, then why wouldn't you do that? Both would be private schools. Your issue is with the curriculum at the school you choose.

If you are saying you are holding back your kids because of social and other delays, then per the APP they are saying to send them.

I realize this is the private school forum, but I cannot afford private and have to send my kids to my local school. There isn't such a thing as school choice in public schools. You go to whatever school they tell you to. (Yes, I'm bitter that my schools were redistricted and that neighbors just 3 houses down get to go to a 7/10 school and mine is now 1/10).

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

When the delay is immaturity due to being the very youngest and developing a little more slowly, holding back is perfectly rational. Schools have no magic bullet or therapy, other than time, that will help them. This is obvious to most. Why is more time so outrageous to you? I have yet to hear one valid explanation why this is never ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

You put a lot of stock onto a group you can't even name correctly. Hint, it's not APP. Do you even know what it stands for?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

When the delay is immaturity due to being the very youngest and developing a little more slowly, holding back is perfectly rational. Schools have no magic bullet or therapy, other than time, that will help them. This is obvious to most. Why is more time so outrageous to you? I have yet to hear one valid explanation why this is never ok.

Except that isn't immaturity. Your child is age appropriate. So, no it's not a normal rational as holding them back and placing them with younger less mature kids isn't going to boost their maturity as their peer group is younger. You are masking the issues.

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Is there more than one anti-redshirt person posting, or is a crazy single person devoting their life to keeping this thread alive?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one anti-redshirt person posting, or is a crazy single person devoting their life to keeping this thread alive?

I think it’s mainly one that keeps repeating the same story using the same language

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

But where does it end? The child with the July birthday now has to go with your child who will be a year older than them. If the July child redshirts, now the June birthday will be the youngest. The only thing I have issue with is that it becomes an endless competition to not have the youngest child in the class.

Ask the private school where your child is applying where it ends. They will have a crisp answer that aligns with their admissions policies.

Goodness. It is absolutely remarkable how many people in this thread do not have a basic grasp of private school admissions and how they work.

It ends because not all children would benefit from being 1 year older. There are plenty of kids that for whatever reason are ready to go to school and be the youngest. Maybe because they have older siblings, maybe because they matured earlier, maybe because they are only children, maybe because they are girls… it does not matter why. Just how there are many reasons why some kids are not ready and would benefit from waiting 1 year, there are just as many kids who would be bored and would not gain anything from waiting 1 year.

That’s what is so great about giving parents the ability to choose. We know our kids best and we know what would benefit them the most. I redshirted my eldest DD form 6 days before cut off because she was immature, insecure and socially behind. I did not redshirt my second daughter because she was advanced in many ways, confident, independent and used to be around older kids.

Or maybe you had unrealistic ideas of what a five year old should look like. No five year old should be mature.

Sounds like the anti-redshirting troll doesn’t even have kids. So clueless.

Sounds like the person holding their kids back doesn't have a clue about child development. K is meant for 5 year olds, not 6.

Let it go. You're just a broken record spewing the same nonsense over and over.

K. was created for 5 year olds.

Kindergarten in 1975 was for 5 year olds.

And, yet, all those kids in 1975 did just fine starting at 5. So, why is it for all of history of schools, its been age five and all of the sudden 5 year olds are not ready?

It was half-day and they played and even napped.

Totally different.

We had full day no nap. Most kids are not napping by age 4. So, why is it 4 year olds can go to day care all day no nap and are ok. Why is it most 5 year olds go to k at age fine Al day, which isn’t even all day just fine and your child who you say has no special needs cannot? And, foreign countries start full day at the same age. Hum…..

Daycare is playing and resting (if not napping). It’s much different than K in 2023. You would know this if you had kids.

My kid could have started at 4y11mo - zero issues/concerns - but there was no rush so we waited.

Daycare vs Kindergarten is like night and day. Daycare is so much fun! You nap, color, have fun with friends and spend hours on the playground. My kids' Kindergarten doesn't even have a playground for Kindergartners to use (they get a courtyard with no toys or climbing structures). It's nonstop drilling for kids because the low income kids are so far behind. Over half the class didn't know or understand English. I understand why K has to be so rigorous, but maybe they should have worked with these kids in preschool instead of making K so awful?

The people whining about redshirting likely had wonderful Kindergartens like I remember. I napped, I played and it was more Montessori style. Change Kindergarten and I wouldn't need to redshirt my kids.

Actually, it is the same and if your child needs daycare for another year, they have special needs and need an evaluation. it's not non-stop drilling. Clearly you haven' t actually been in a K and if your kids are so advanced then it really made no sense to hold them back as those low income kids will surpass them getting the academics you are denying your kids.

This is really about you self segregating and the only way to do that was to go private.

Stay in your lane. You have no basis for determining what a child you have never met needs or doesn't need. No actual self respecting expert would dole out the "advice" you give here. You're a hack with an axe to grind.

The experts per the APP are saying to send children with delays. So, you need to stay in your lane.

The APP isn't one of the leading experts?

When the delay is immaturity due to being the very youngest and developing a little more slowly, holding back is perfectly rational. Schools have no magic bullet or therapy, other than time, that will help them. This is obvious to most. Why is more time so outrageous to you? I have yet to hear one valid explanation why this is never ok.

Except that isn't immaturity. Your child is age appropriate. So, no it's not a normal rational as holding them back and placing them with younger less mature kids isn't going to boost their maturity as their peer group is younger. You are masking the issues.

Your issues are on full display, unfortunately. Have you ever thought about seeking help?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one anti-redshirt person posting, or is a crazy single person devoting their life to keeping this thread alive?

I think it’s mainly one that keeps repeating the same story using the same language

There are multiple people on both sides of the discussion. Don't delude yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one anti-redshirt person posting, or is a crazy single person devoting their life to keeping this thread alive?

I think it’s mainly one that keeps repeating the same story using the same language

There are multiple people on both sides of the discussion. Don't delude yourself.

OK, Natural Law Lady. Whatever you say.