Boycott/ Divest and Pull your College App from All States which violate Our Daughters' Civil Rights

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Anonymous wrote:If these Red states want to be return to being Backwaters that deny Civil Rights, let's make them pay a steep price and send them fully backwards economically.....

Seriously, this repeal of a law that guaranteed a Woman autonomy over her own Body is a Civil Rights violation in each and every state that now passes its " Trigger Laws" . If these States want to become backwaters, we will abandon our recent decades investment in them and pressure European Corporations to do so as well. What EU Corp Exec wants his daughter charged with a Felony should their family move to these US States below for Corp relocate/ business reasons and what about their Employee Health Depts who fail to report all female executives pregnancy status to the State or transport their female executives/ managers across state lines to practice their Civil Right of self autonomy ?

Just as I would not send one of our children to College in a State that repealed the Voting Rights Act or re-introduced Slavery, we will be pulling our applications at All the Universities in these Red States that make our daughter a felon for exercising control over her own body- even if she is raped at a college party

Any Corporation doing business in States, paying taxes in States that have taken a woman's civil rights away should be Divested from and their Job offers turned down .... same as if these Corporations chose to do business in States that had segregation laws for bathrooms, water fountains and restaurants. European companies investing in these States should be advised and lobbied to pull their investments due to these States choosing to violate a Woman's civil rights in violation to European Law

As of Today, the list of Backward American States where a woman's civil right of bodily autonomy is denied her are:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

Louisiana ( Tulane, LSU ) Corporations to Boycott and Divest from: Walmart, Amazon, Exxon, Apple . EU Corps putting their female employees at risk( or daughters of Corp Execs): Air Liquide, BASF, Evonik, BP, Hunting LPC, Blade Dynamics

Alabama: (Auburn, Univ. of Alabama )Corporations: Regions Financial, Vulcan, Encompass Health. EU Corporations putting employees at risk: Airbus, Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota

Arkansas: ( Univ of Arkansas ) Walmart, Tyson Foods, Dillards . EU Corps putting employees ( Daughters of Corp Execs) at risk: France: Dassault Falcon Jet, SIMS ( Australia) ; Bekhaert ( Belgium): Canfour, JBS

Missouri: ( Wash U - St Louis, Ole Miss )Emerson Electric, Enterprise Holdings, Douglas McDonell, O'Reilly Auto parts . EU Corp: Germany's Bayer & KWS, Boehringer, POET Processing

Oklahoma: ( OSU ).Corp: Boeing, Google, Dell, Amazon,Acorn, Chesapeake Energy, Avis/Budget. EU Corp: Lufthansa · Michelin · Sanofl-Aventis · Schlumberger · Siemens · Sigma

Utah ( BYU ) Corp: Skywest, Huntsman, Questar EU: Kennecott, Stouffer's Frozen Foods, Exclesior Hotels, Nestlee

Kentucky (University of Kentucky ) Corp to Boycott/ Divest from: Fruit of the Loom, Yum Brands, Humana, Texas Roadhouse. Events: Kentucky Derby. EU/ Foreign Corp: Sumitomo ( a Japanese Co 40 % who's employees are women )

Texas: Univ Texas -Austin, Rice , Baylor. Corp: Boycott / Divest from Keller Williams Realty, Foxconn, Pizza Hut, AT&T, JP Morgan, Bank of America,American Airlines, Dell Foreign Corp Invest: Bayer, BASF, Hanson Cement, Seimens

Mississippi Univ of Miss ) . Corp to boycott: Sta Home Health, Sanderson Farms,Commerce Corp, the Yates Co of Philadelphia. EU Corp putting their female employees at risk:Airbus, ABB, Nissan, Toyota, Continental Tire

Tennessee ( Vanderbilt, Univ of Tenn ) US Corp to Boycott/Divest from: AutoZone, AT& T, Deloitte, Loews,Fed Ex,Dollar General, Ruby Tuesdays, HCA Inc.*** the US state with largest Foreign Corp Investment** is TN so they are vulnerable here, especially Nashville. EU/ Foreign Corp putting their Corp Execs/ female / family employees/ family members at risk: Phillips Electronics, BASF, Nissan, Bridgestone


Women have exponentially more Capital wealth, Corp power and investment dollars than we did in 1973- time to put the full force of that economic and political power to use for our Daughters and Grand -Daughters. Don't just protest- Boycott, Divest and pull your child's college enrollment. Pressure ALL EU Corp not to invest in US States that violate a Woman's civil right to self-determination and bodily autonomy

Uh, if you abort all the kids, how are you going to have grand-daughters?

WTF. Who's talking about aborting *all* the kids? Nobody. It's more about when it is safe/appropriate/etc to have a kid, than just randomly aborting kids for no reason whatsoever. Do you really not understand that?

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

We don't agree with their beliefs, but aren't telling them to change their beliefs. We are telling them to not impose their beliefs on us. We aren't forcing our beliefs on them by forcing them to have abortions. We are choosing it for ourselves and it is absolutely none of their business that we do.

^ this sums it up.

Pro-choice people aren't forcing their views onto others, because they aren't forcing others to have abortions. They are choosing when to have their children and when not to have them. A choice for THEMSELVES.
Pro-lifers ARE forcing their views onto others, because they are forcing people to have children even when it is under horrible circumstances such as rape, incest, in cases of birth defects, in cases where it puts the mother's life at risk, in cases where the timing is all wrong and would be financially devastating, and so on.
WHEN someone decides to have or not have a child is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, pro-lifers. You stick to your own kids and your own bodies, leave everyone else out of it. And if you don't believe in abortions, don't have one. But you are OUT OF LINE forcing your views onto others.

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If these Red states want to be return to being Backwaters that deny Civil Rights, let's make them pay a steep price and send them fully backwards economically.....

Seriously, this repeal of a law that guaranteed a Woman autonomy over her own Body is a Civil Rights violation in each and every state that now passes its " Trigger Laws" . If these States want to become backwaters, we will abandon our recent decades investment in them and pressure European Corporations to do so as well. What EU Corp Exec wants his daughter charged with a Felony should their family move to these US States below for Corp relocate/ business reasons and what about their Employee Health Depts who fail to report all female executives pregnancy status to the State or transport their female executives/ managers across state lines to practice their Civil Right of self autonomy ?

Just as I would not send one of our children to College in a State that repealed the Voting Rights Act or re-introduced Slavery, we will be pulling our applications at All the Universities in these Red States that make our daughter a felon for exercising control over her own body- even if she is raped at a college party

Any Corporation doing business in States, paying taxes in States that have taken a woman's civil rights away should be Divested from and their Job offers turned down .... same as if these Corporations chose to do business in States that had segregation laws for bathrooms, water fountains and restaurants. European companies investing in these States should be advised and lobbied to pull their investments due to these States choosing to violate a Woman's civil rights in violation to European Law

As of Today, the list of Backward American States where a woman's civil right of bodily autonomy is denied her are:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

Louisiana ( Tulane, LSU ) Corporations to Boycott and Divest from: Walmart, Amazon, Exxon, Apple . EU Corps putting their female employees at risk( or daughters of Corp Execs): Air Liquide, BASF, Evonik, BP, Hunting LPC, Blade Dynamics

Alabama: (Auburn, Univ. of Alabama )Corporations: Regions Financial, Vulcan, Encompass Health. EU Corporations putting employees at risk: Airbus, Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota

Arkansas: ( Univ of Arkansas ) Walmart, Tyson Foods, Dillards . EU Corps putting employees ( Daughters of Corp Execs) at risk: France: Dassault Falcon Jet, SIMS ( Australia) ; Bekhaert ( Belgium): Canfour, JBS

Missouri: ( Wash U - St Louis, Ole Miss )Emerson Electric, Enterprise Holdings, Douglas McDonell, O'Reilly Auto parts . EU Corp: Germany's Bayer & KWS, Boehringer, POET Processing

Oklahoma: ( OSU ).Corp: Boeing, Google, Dell, Amazon,Acorn, Chesapeake Energy, Avis/Budget. EU Corp: Lufthansa · Michelin · Sanofl-Aventis · Schlumberger · Siemens · Sigma

Utah ( BYU ) Corp: Skywest, Huntsman, Questar EU: Kennecott, Stouffer's Frozen Foods, Exclesior Hotels, Nestlee

Kentucky (University of Kentucky ) Corp to Boycott/ Divest from: Fruit of the Loom, Yum Brands, Humana, Texas Roadhouse. Events: Kentucky Derby. EU/ Foreign Corp: Sumitomo ( a Japanese Co 40 % who's employees are women )

Texas: Univ Texas -Austin, Rice , Baylor. Corp: Boycott / Divest from Keller Williams Realty, Foxconn, Pizza Hut, AT&T, JP Morgan, Bank of America,American Airlines, Dell Foreign Corp Invest: Bayer, BASF, Hanson Cement, Seimens

Mississippi Univ of Miss ) . Corp to boycott: Sta Home Health, Sanderson Farms,Commerce Corp, the Yates Co of Philadelphia. EU Corp putting their female employees at risk:Airbus, ABB, Nissan, Toyota, Continental Tire

Tennessee ( Vanderbilt, Univ of Tenn ) US Corp to Boycott/Divest from: AutoZone, AT& T, Deloitte, Loews,Fed Ex,Dollar General, Ruby Tuesdays, HCA Inc.*** the US state with largest Foreign Corp Investment** is TN so they are vulnerable here, especially Nashville. EU/ Foreign Corp putting their Corp Execs/ female / family employees/ family members at risk: Phillips Electronics, BASF, Nissan, Bridgestone

Women have exponentially more Capital wealth, Corp power and investment dollars than we did in 1973- time to put the full force of that economic and political power to use for our Daughters and Grand -Daughters. Don't just protest- Boycott, Divest and pull your child's college enrollment. Pressure ALL EU Corp not to invest in US States that violate a Woman's civil right to self-determination and bodily autonomy

Thank you for this list.

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Why is Amazon listed under Louisiana? Aren't they headquartered in Seattle?

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Anonymous wrote:If these Red states want to be return to being Backwaters that deny Civil Rights, let's make them pay a steep price and send them fully backwards economically.....

Seriously, this repeal of a law that guaranteed a Woman autonomy over her own Body is a Civil Rights violation in each and every state that now passes its " Trigger Laws" . If these States want to become backwaters, we will abandon our recent decades investment in them and pressure European Corporations to do so as well. What EU Corp Exec wants his daughter charged with a Felony should their family move to these US States below for Corp relocate/ business reasons and what about their Employee Health Depts who fail to report all female executives pregnancy status to the State or transport their female executives/ managers across state lines to practice their Civil Right of self autonomy ?

Just as I would not send one of our children to College in a State that repealed the Voting Rights Act or re-introduced Slavery, we will be pulling our applications at All the Universities in these Red States that make our daughter a felon for exercising control over her own body- even if she is raped at a college party

Any Corporation doing business in States, paying taxes in States that have taken a woman's civil rights away should be Divested from and their Job offers turned down .... same as if these Corporations chose to do business in States that had segregation laws for bathrooms, water fountains and restaurants. European companies investing in these States should be advised and lobbied to pull their investments due to these States choosing to violate a Woman's civil rights in violation to European Law

As of Today, the list of Backward American States where a woman's civil right of bodily autonomy is denied her are:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

Louisiana ( Tulane, LSU ) Corporations to Boycott and Divest from: Walmart, Amazon, Exxon, Apple . EU Corps putting their female employees at risk( or daughters of Corp Execs): Air Liquide, BASF, Evonik, BP, Hunting LPC, Blade Dynamics

Alabama: (Auburn, Univ. of Alabama )Corporations: Regions Financial, Vulcan, Encompass Health. EU Corporations putting employees at risk: Airbus, Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota

Arkansas: ( Univ of Arkansas ) Walmart, Tyson Foods, Dillards . EU Corps putting employees ( Daughters of Corp Execs) at risk: France: Dassault Falcon Jet, SIMS ( Australia) ; Bekhaert ( Belgium): Canfour, JBS

Missouri: ( Wash U - St Louis, Ole Miss )Emerson Electric, Enterprise Holdings, Douglas McDonell, O'Reilly Auto parts . EU Corp: Germany's Bayer & KWS, Boehringer, POET Processing

Oklahoma: ( OSU ).Corp: Boeing, Google, Dell, Amazon,Acorn, Chesapeake Energy, Avis/Budget. EU Corp: Lufthansa · Michelin · Sanofl-Aventis · Schlumberger · Siemens · Sigma

Utah ( BYU ) Corp: Skywest, Huntsman, Questar EU: Kennecott, Stouffer's Frozen Foods, Exclesior Hotels, Nestlee

Kentucky (University of Kentucky ) Corp to Boycott/ Divest from: Fruit of the Loom, Yum Brands, Humana, Texas Roadhouse. Events: Kentucky Derby. EU/ Foreign Corp: Sumitomo ( a Japanese Co 40 % who's employees are women )

Texas: Univ Texas -Austin, Rice , Baylor. Corp: Boycott / Divest from Keller Williams Realty, Foxconn, Pizza Hut, AT&T, JP Morgan, Bank of America,American Airlines, Dell Foreign Corp Invest: Bayer, BASF, Hanson Cement, Seimens

Mississippi Univ of Miss ) . Corp to boycott: Sta Home Health, Sanderson Farms,Commerce Corp, the Yates Co of Philadelphia. EU Corp putting their female employees at risk:Airbus, ABB, Nissan, Toyota, Continental Tire

Tennessee ( Vanderbilt, Univ of Tenn ) US Corp to Boycott/Divest from: AutoZone, AT& T, Deloitte, Loews,Fed Ex,Dollar General, Ruby Tuesdays, HCA Inc.*** the US state with largest Foreign Corp Investment** is TN so they are vulnerable here, especially Nashville. EU/ Foreign Corp putting their Corp Execs/ female / family employees/ family members at risk: Phillips Electronics, BASF, Nissan, Bridgestone


Women have exponentially more Capital wealth, Corp power and investment dollars than we did in 1973- time to put the full force of that economic and political power to use for our Daughters and Grand -Daughters. Don't just protest- Boycott, Divest and pull your child's college enrollment. Pressure ALL EU Corp not to invest in US States that violate a Woman's civil right to self-determination and bodily autonomy

Uh, if you abort all the kids, how are you going to have grand-daughters?

WTF. Who's talking about aborting *all* the kids? Nobody. It's more about when it is safe/appropriate/etc to have a kid, than just randomly aborting kids for no reason whatsoever. Do you really not understand that?

That's why my husband and I used birth control methods, not abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:If these Red states want to be return to being Backwaters that deny Civil Rights, let's make them pay a steep price and send them fully backwards economically.....

Seriously, this repeal of a law that guaranteed a Woman autonomy over her own Body is a Civil Rights violation in each and every state that now passes its " Trigger Laws" . If these States want to become backwaters, we will abandon our recent decades investment in them and pressure European Corporations to do so as well. What EU Corp Exec wants his daughter charged with a Felony should their family move to these US States below for Corp relocate/ business reasons and what about their Employee Health Depts who fail to report all female executives pregnancy status to the State or transport their female executives/ managers across state lines to practice their Civil Right of self autonomy ?

Just as I would not send one of our children to College in a State that repealed the Voting Rights Act or re-introduced Slavery, we will be pulling our applications at All the Universities in these Red States that make our daughter a felon for exercising control over her own body- even if she is raped at a college party

Any Corporation doing business in States, paying taxes in States that have taken a woman's civil rights away should be Divested from and their Job offers turned down .... same as if these Corporations chose to do business in States that had segregation laws for bathrooms, water fountains and restaurants. European companies investing in these States should be advised and lobbied to pull their investments due to these States choosing to violate a Woman's civil rights in violation to European Law

As of Today, the list of Backward American States where a woman's civil right of bodily autonomy is denied her are:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

Louisiana ( Tulane, LSU ) Corporations to Boycott and Divest from: Walmart, Amazon, Exxon, Apple . EU Corps putting their female employees at risk( or daughters of Corp Execs): Air Liquide, BASF, Evonik, BP, Hunting LPC, Blade Dynamics

Alabama: (Auburn, Univ. of Alabama )Corporations: Regions Financial, Vulcan, Encompass Health. EU Corporations putting employees at risk: Airbus, Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota

Arkansas: ( Univ of Arkansas ) Walmart, Tyson Foods, Dillards . EU Corps putting employees ( Daughters of Corp Execs) at risk: France: Dassault Falcon Jet, SIMS ( Australia) ; Bekhaert ( Belgium): Canfour, JBS

Missouri: ( Wash U - St Louis, Ole Miss )Emerson Electric, Enterprise Holdings, Douglas McDonell, O'Reilly Auto parts . EU Corp: Germany's Bayer & KWS, Boehringer, POET Processing

Oklahoma: ( OSU ).Corp: Boeing, Google, Dell, Amazon,Acorn, Chesapeake Energy, Avis/Budget. EU Corp: Lufthansa · Michelin · Sanofl-Aventis · Schlumberger · Siemens · Sigma

Utah ( BYU ) Corp: Skywest, Huntsman, Questar EU: Kennecott, Stouffer's Frozen Foods, Exclesior Hotels, Nestlee

Kentucky (University of Kentucky ) Corp to Boycott/ Divest from: Fruit of the Loom, Yum Brands, Humana, Texas Roadhouse. Events: Kentucky Derby. EU/ Foreign Corp: Sumitomo ( a Japanese Co 40 % who's employees are women )

Texas: Univ Texas -Austin, Rice , Baylor. Corp: Boycott / Divest from Keller Williams Realty, Foxconn, Pizza Hut, AT&T, JP Morgan, Bank of America,American Airlines, Dell Foreign Corp Invest: Bayer, BASF, Hanson Cement, Seimens

Mississippi Univ of Miss ) . Corp to boycott: Sta Home Health, Sanderson Farms,Commerce Corp, the Yates Co of Philadelphia. EU Corp putting their female employees at risk:Airbus, ABB, Nissan, Toyota, Continental Tire

Tennessee ( Vanderbilt, Univ of Tenn ) US Corp to Boycott/Divest from: AutoZone, AT& T, Deloitte, Loews,Fed Ex,Dollar General, Ruby Tuesdays, HCA Inc.*** the US state with largest Foreign Corp Investment** is TN so they are vulnerable here, especially Nashville. EU/ Foreign Corp putting their Corp Execs/ female / family employees/ family members at risk: Phillips Electronics, BASF, Nissan, Bridgestone


Women have exponentially more Capital wealth, Corp power and investment dollars than we did in 1973- time to put the full force of that economic and political power to use for our Daughters and Grand -Daughters. Don't just protest- Boycott, Divest and pull your child's college enrollment. Pressure ALL EU Corp not to invest in US States that violate a Woman's civil right to self-determination and bodily autonomy

Uh, if you abort all the kids, how are you going to have grand-daughters?

WTF. Who's talking about aborting *all* the kids? Nobody. It's more about when it is safe/appropriate/etc to have a kid, than just randomly aborting kids for no reason whatsoever. Do you really not understand that?

That's why my husband and I used birth control methods, not abortion.

The evangelicals who drove the overturn of Roe want to take that away as well. If they don't believe in birth control, they shouldn't take it, but they need to stay the hell out of our lives on ALL of this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Not pp. I’m not interested in persuading Catholics that their dogma is wrong. I’m happy for them to follow it. My objection is imposing it as a state-sanctioned religion. The US Constitution has a separation of church and state clause.

DP. So how do you feel about capital punishment, which each state decides on?

I think it doesn’t work and sucks up too many resources (appeals, etc.). When you add in the many mistakes that have been made, I don’t support it. Lock ‘em up and throw away the key. And yes it should be a federal standard. We are a single country.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

The things is, the most effective means of combatting abortion is to drive down the unplanned pregnancy rate by making contraceptive access easier (especially for the most effective forms) and by teaching everyone medically accurate sex ed. And because 3/4 of abortion patients are low-income and 59% are already mothers, abortion foes could make it possible for these mothers to keep their babies by giving them a better financial safety net.

By comparison, outlawing abortion does drive down the rate a little, but it mostly just drives abortions underground.

I’m open to believing that abortion foes really do believe abortion is murder, but nothing about their positions signals any sincerity in that belief. If they really believed that, they would do anything to lower the number of abortions. Which would mean supporting the measures in my FIRST paragraph.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

The things is, the most effective means of combatting abortion is to drive down the unplanned pregnancy rate by making contraceptive access easier (especially for the most effective forms) and by teaching everyone medically accurate sex ed. And because 3/4 of abortion patients are low-income and 59% are already mothers, abortion foes could make it possible for these mothers to keep their babies by giving them a better financial safety net.

By comparison, outlawing abortion does drive down the rate a little, but it mostly just drives abortions underground.

I’m open to believing that abortion foes really do believe abortion is murder, but nothing about their positions signals any sincerity in that belief. If they really believed that, they would do anything to lower the number of abortions. Which would mean supporting the measures in my FIRST paragraph.

Agree, Colorado's experiment with free contraceptives was a huge success and massively drove down abortion rates. As for them believing it's murder, they are entitled to their belief, but it's just that, it's a religious belief. Just as Jews hold religious belief that life does not begin until birth. They are entitled to their religious beliefs. But they should not be forcing their own religious beliefs onto others.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

We don't agree with their beliefs, but aren't telling them to change their beliefs. We are telling them to not impose their beliefs on us. We aren't forcing our beliefs on them by forcing them to have abortions. We are choosing it for ourselves and it is absolutely none of their business that we do.

You know the rule of law is entirely about imposing a society’s belief system on individuals, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would never ever send my daughter to one of these states for college, and that unfortunately may include Virginia soon.

Virginia’s governor has proposed limiting elective abortions to 15 weeks. Similar to most European countries.
I guess you wouldn’t let your daughter attend school in France either?

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

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And what will you do or say if red states begin offering much more comprehensive free birth control options, better prenatal care, better sex education that encourages girls to report cases of rape and incest so those instances reduce, birth rates and mother and infant mortality rates reduce, adoptions are easier and less expensive? What will you say when the red states have better overall healthcare for women rather than having a single issue with abortion as a form of birth control? Abortions are not risk free. Wouldn't preventing the pregnancy in the first place be better?


I would say that sounds like a blue state.

No kidding. No red state would support those policies because the alleged "pro-life" movement is (and has always been) about punishing and controlling women for having sex, NOT about actually caring about children.

I am sorry this is just not true.

I live in the south- you should see all the adopted kids from around the world in our church. Our whole community is geared around youth activities. We have very active charities, through our churches and otherwise.

Our local pediatric hospital will accept ANY insurance for kids. Try that in coastal cities and see what happens.

I am not going to convince you on this SC decision but you do yourself a disservice to dismiss pro life people (and the places where they live) as uncaring for children.

These people are effectively stealing kids from their own cultures and then brainwashing them with religion.

Disgusting.

What an awful thing you have said about families making the maximum gift and commitment to kids who would grow up in 2nd and 3rd world orphanages, many with disabilities.

I hope nobody is discourage from adopting by someone like you.

Stealing people from other cultures and forcing your beliefs on them isn’t a “gift”.

Tell that to the boy with Down’s syndrome from China in our Church. Or the kids my cousin adopted from Peru from an orphanage. God you are a bad bad person.

Just because they are vulnerable doesn’t mean it’s ok to take them from their country of origin. Or brainwash them with your own religion.

I have extended family members adopted from other countries. As adults, they feel robbed of their identity. And have rejected the religion forced on them by their adoptive parents. They don’t consider it a “gift” at all.

DP. And so you're saying they would rather have grown up in an orphanage instead of being adopted by a loving family. Are you well? Because your posts are completely unhinged.

I’m saying that international adoptions suck. Especially if the people adopting are trying to force their religion on the kids (which actual “loving families” wouldn’t do).

My family members resent the fact that they were adopted outside of their country.

If you can look behind your white savior attitude you might actually hear what adoptees are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

+1000. Fine that they want to believe these things for themselves but they have no business forcing their religion onto others, they have no business in our bedrooms, or our doctor's offices. None whatsoever.