Boycott/ Divest and Pull your College App from All States which violate Our Daughters' Civil Rights

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Anonymous wrote:Interestingly, applications at southern schools are up—way up. I think a lot of kids were put off by the super woke cancel culture.

Rather than cut off all ties with the south, let’s try to figure out how we got here so we can then determine how to get things back on track.

Did your list include Virginia? The guy you elected already said he wants to take action, op. Or, are you only targeting “those Deep South” states dcum likes to criticize as backwards? I think your faux purple VA is just like the others on your list. So, shall we write off VA and aaaaaaalllllll those VA based corporations? Are you ready to bail on Amazon?

Not op, but I sure am.
Also, applications hardly reflect yesterday’s decision. And kids can continue to attend schools in these states - it’ll just be a lot more dangerous for the women. But, I support choice even if I disagree with the choice someone makes.

Literally 5% of the population lists abortion as their biggest issue that they’re voting on in the mid terms. This thread, and the posters on here, are way more focused on this issue than the majority of the population. This is becoming a boutique issue for upper middle class white women.

Voters are dumb AF. Wait until these draconian laws affect them personally.

The economy affects everyone. Abortion, not so much. Dems would have a better case if they weren’t aligning themselves with people who advocate for abortions up until birth for whatever reason given. In the age of high resolution ultrasounds that kind of stuff is not supported by more than 70 percent of the population and is banned in most countries and states because people think it is barbaric outside of exceptions for the the mother’s health. Dems need to stop aligning themselves with the far left fringe on social issues like this. It is not a winning model. Take Hillary’s advice and stick to “safe, legal, and rare” and don’t give any traction to the people who want to celebrate their abortions.

Red herring. 3rd trimester abortions are very rare and for very sad reasons.

Banning abortion will ultimately impact economy as well. You’ll drive more families into poverty. Decrease education rate. Increase crime rates. Etc.

We all lose.

Not a red herring. It is legal in states like New York to have an abortion up until birth for any reason. That is barbaric and most people in the country and around the world think so. It doesn’t matter that they’re very rare and done in very sad circumstances, it’s the fact that the law codifies that someone can abort a viable baby at 30 weeks if they felt like it for no reason that’s the issue.

If liberals would just stick to fighting for abortion in the first trimester and then abortion after that in special circumstances that are approved by a physician then you would have a lot more people on your side. When you start celebrating your abortions on IG and advocating for people’s rights to abort viable babies on a whim you lose a lot of people. Just stick to France’s abortions laws and stop advocating for barbarity to stick it to Trumpsters.

Let's pretend Elizabeth Smart - who was abducted and held by her captors for nearly a year - was found by police at 30 weeks pregnant with her rapist's baby.

Do you force her to go through birth?

At 30 weeks? Are you effing nuts?! That’s a fully viable baby. An abortion at that point is flat out murder

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Anonymous wrote:Interestingly, applications at southern schools are up—way up. I think a lot of kids were put off by the super woke cancel culture.

Rather than cut off all ties with the south, let’s try to figure out how we got here so we can then determine how to get things back on track.

Did your list include Virginia? The guy you elected already said he wants to take action, op. Or, are you only targeting “those Deep South” states dcum likes to criticize as backwards? I think your faux purple VA is just like the others on your list. So, shall we write off VA and aaaaaaalllllll those VA based corporations? Are you ready to bail on Amazon?

Not op, but I sure am.
Also, applications hardly reflect yesterday’s decision. And kids can continue to attend schools in these states - it’ll just be a lot more dangerous for the women. But, I support choice even if I disagree with the choice someone makes.

Literally 5% of the population lists abortion as their biggest issue that they’re voting on in the mid terms. This thread, and the posters on here, are way more focused on this issue than the majority of the population. This is becoming a boutique issue for upper middle class white women.

Voters are dumb AF. Wait until these draconian laws affect them personally.

The economy affects everyone. Abortion, not so much. Dems would have a better case if they weren’t aligning themselves with people who advocate for abortions up until birth for whatever reason given. In the age of high resolution ultrasounds that kind of stuff is not supported by more than 70 percent of the population and is banned in most countries and states because people think it is barbaric outside of exceptions for the the mother’s health. Dems need to stop aligning themselves with the far left fringe on social issues like this. It is not a winning model. Take Hillary’s advice and stick to “safe, legal, and rare” and don’t give any traction to the people who want to celebrate their abortions.

Red herring. 3rd trimester abortions are very rare and for very sad reasons.

Banning abortion will ultimately impact economy as well. You’ll drive more families into poverty. Decrease education rate. Increase crime rates. Etc.

We all lose.

Not a red herring. It is legal in states like New York to have an abortion up until birth for any reason. That is barbaric and most people in the country and around the world think so. It doesn’t matter that they’re very rare and done in very sad circumstances, it’s the fact that the law codifies that someone can abort a viable baby at 30 weeks if they felt like it for no reason that’s the issue.

If liberals would just stick to fighting for abortion in the first trimester and then abortion after that in special circumstances that are approved by a physician then you would have a lot more people on your side. When you start celebrating your abortions on IG and advocating for people’s rights to abort viable babies on a whim you lose a lot of people. Just stick to France’s abortions laws and stop advocating for barbarity to stick it to Trumpsters.

Let's pretend Elizabeth Smart - who was abducted and held by her captors for nearly a year - was found by police at 30 weeks pregnant with her rapist's baby.

Do you force her to go through birth?

At 30 weeks? Are you effing nuts?! That’s a fully viable baby. An abortion at that point is flat out murder

The nutjob who haunts this thread is certifiable.

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And what will you do or say if red states begin offering much more comprehensive free birth control options, better prenatal care, better sex education that encourages girls to report cases of rape and incest so those instances reduce, birth rates and mother and infant mortality rates reduce, adoptions are easier and less expensive? What will you say when the red states have better overall healthcare for women rather than having a single issue with abortion as a form of birth control? Abortions are not risk free. Wouldn't preventing the pregnancy in the first place be better?


I would say that sounds like a blue state.

No kidding. No red state would support those policies because the alleged "pro-life" movement is (and has always been) about punishing and controlling women for having sex, NOT about actually caring about children.

I am sorry this is just not true.

I live in the south- you should see all the adopted kids from around the world in our church. Our whole community is geared around youth activities. We have very active charities, through our churches and otherwise.

Our local pediatric hospital will accept ANY insurance for kids. Try that in coastal cities and see what happens.

I am not going to convince you on this SC decision but you do yourself a disservice to dismiss pro life people (and the places where they live) as uncaring for children.

These people are effectively stealing kids from their own cultures and then brainwashing them with religion.

Disgusting.

What an awful thing you have said about families making the maximum gift and commitment to kids who would grow up in 2nd and 3rd world orphanages, many with disabilities.

I hope nobody is discourage from adopting by someone like you.

Well if they REALLY cared about the child they could give all the money they would have spent adopting and raising them to their families so THEIR family could raise them. But it is selfish that THEY want the experience of a child so they take them from people who are poor. Giving up your baby because you cannot afford to feed them is not a choice its their only option.

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Anonymous wrote:Interestingly, applications at southern schools are up—way up. I think a lot of kids were put off by the super woke cancel culture.

Rather than cut off all ties with the south, let’s try to figure out how we got here so we can then determine how to get things back on track.

Did your list include Virginia? The guy you elected already said he wants to take action, op. Or, are you only targeting “those Deep South” states dcum likes to criticize as backwards? I think your faux purple VA is just like the others on your list. So, shall we write off VA and aaaaaaalllllll those VA based corporations? Are you ready to bail on Amazon?

Not op, but I sure am.
Also, applications hardly reflect yesterday’s decision. And kids can continue to attend schools in these states - it’ll just be a lot more dangerous for the women. But, I support choice even if I disagree with the choice someone makes.

Literally 5% of the population lists abortion as their biggest issue that they’re voting on in the mid terms. This thread, and the posters on here, are way more focused on this issue than the majority of the population. This is becoming a boutique issue for upper middle class white women.

Voters are dumb AF. Wait until these draconian laws affect them personally.

The economy affects everyone. Abortion, not so much. Dems would have a better case if they weren’t aligning themselves with people who advocate for abortions up until birth for whatever reason given. In the age of high resolution ultrasounds that kind of stuff is not supported by more than 70 percent of the population and is banned in most countries and states because people think it is barbaric outside of exceptions for the the mother’s health. Dems need to stop aligning themselves with the far left fringe on social issues like this. It is not a winning model. Take Hillary’s advice and stick to “safe, legal, and rare” and don’t give any traction to the people who want to celebrate their abortions.

Red herring. 3rd trimester abortions are very rare and for very sad reasons.

Banning abortion will ultimately impact economy as well. You’ll drive more families into poverty. Decrease education rate. Increase crime rates. Etc.

We all lose.

Not a red herring. It is legal in states like New York to have an abortion up until birth for any reason. That is barbaric and most people in the country and around the world think so. It doesn’t matter that they’re very rare and done in very sad circumstances, it’s the fact that the law codifies that someone can abort a viable baby at 30 weeks if they felt like it for no reason that’s the issue.

If liberals would just stick to fighting for abortion in the first trimester and then abortion after that in special circumstances that are approved by a physician then you would have a lot more people on your side. When you start celebrating your abortions on IG and advocating for people’s rights to abort viable babies on a whim you lose a lot of people. Just stick to France’s abortions laws and stop advocating for barbarity to stick it to Trumpsters.

Let's pretend Elizabeth Smart - who was abducted and held by her captors for nearly a year - was found by police at 30 weeks pregnant with her rapist's baby.

Do you force her to go through birth?

At 30 weeks? Are you effing nuts?! That’s a fully viable baby. An abortion at that point is flat out murder

An abortion at that stage is done through inducing labor. No OBGYN would do a D&E on a healthy and viable fetus.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Not pp. I’m not interested in persuading Catholics that their dogma is wrong. I’m happy for them to follow it. My objection is imposing it as a state-sanctioned religion. The US Constitution has a separation of church and state clause.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

We don't agree with their beliefs, but aren't telling them to change their beliefs. We are telling them to not impose their beliefs on us. We aren't forcing our beliefs on them by forcing them to have abortions. We are choosing it for ourselves and it is absolutely none of their business that we do.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Not pp. I’m not interested in persuading Catholics that their dogma is wrong. I’m happy for them to follow it. My objection is imposing it as a state-sanctioned religion. The US Constitution has a separation of church and state clause.

DP. So how do you feel about capital punishment, which each state decides on?

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Anonymous wrote:If these Red states want to be return to being Backwaters that deny Civil Rights, let's make them pay a steep price and send them fully backwards economically.....

Seriously, this repeal of a law that guaranteed a Woman autonomy over her own Body is a Civil Rights violation in each and every state that now passes its " Trigger Laws" . If these States want to become backwaters, we will abandon our recent decades investment in them and pressure European Corporations to do so as well. What EU Corp Exec wants his daughter charged with a Felony should their family move to these US States below for Corp relocate/ business reasons and what about their Employee Health Depts who fail to report all female executives pregnancy status to the State or transport their female executives/ managers across state lines to practice their Civil Right of self autonomy ?

Just as I would not send one of our children to College in a State that repealed the Voting Rights Act or re-introduced Slavery, we will be pulling our applications at All the Universities in these Red States that make our daughter a felon for exercising control over her own body- even if she is raped at a college party

Any Corporation doing business in States, paying taxes in States that have taken a woman's civil rights away should be Divested from and their Job offers turned down .... same as if these Corporations chose to do business in States that had segregation laws for bathrooms, water fountains and restaurants. European companies investing in these States should be advised and lobbied to pull their investments due to these States choosing to violate a Woman's civil rights in violation to European Law

As of Today, the list of Backward American States where a woman's civil right of bodily autonomy is denied her are:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

Louisiana ( Tulane, LSU ) Corporations to Boycott and Divest from: Walmart, Amazon, Exxon, Apple . EU Corps putting their female employees at risk( or daughters of Corp Execs): Air Liquide, BASF, Evonik, BP, Hunting LPC, Blade Dynamics

Alabama: (Auburn, Univ. of Alabama )Corporations: Regions Financial, Vulcan, Encompass Health. EU Corporations putting employees at risk: Airbus, Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota

Arkansas: ( Univ of Arkansas ) Walmart, Tyson Foods, Dillards . EU Corps putting employees ( Daughters of Corp Execs) at risk: France: Dassault Falcon Jet, SIMS ( Australia) ; Bekhaert ( Belgium): Canfour, JBS

Missouri: ( Wash U - St Louis, Ole Miss )Emerson Electric, Enterprise Holdings, Douglas McDonell, O'Reilly Auto parts . EU Corp: Germany's Bayer & KWS, Boehringer, POET Processing

Oklahoma: ( OSU ).Corp: Boeing, Google, Dell, Amazon,Acorn, Chesapeake Energy, Avis/Budget. EU Corp: Lufthansa · Michelin · Sanofl-Aventis · Schlumberger · Siemens · Sigma

Utah ( BYU ) Corp: Skywest, Huntsman, Questar EU: Kennecott, Stouffer's Frozen Foods, Exclesior Hotels, Nestlee

Kentucky (University of Kentucky ) Corp to Boycott/ Divest from: Fruit of the Loom, Yum Brands, Humana, Texas Roadhouse. Events: Kentucky Derby. EU/ Foreign Corp: Sumitomo ( a Japanese Co 40 % who's employees are women )

Texas: Univ Texas -Austin, Rice , Baylor. Corp: Boycott / Divest from Keller Williams Realty, Foxconn, Pizza Hut, AT&T, JP Morgan, Bank of America,American Airlines, Dell Foreign Corp Invest: Bayer, BASF, Hanson Cement, Seimens

Mississippi Univ of Miss ) . Corp to boycott: Sta Home Health, Sanderson Farms,Commerce Corp, the Yates Co of Philadelphia. EU Corp putting their female employees at risk:Airbus, ABB, Nissan, Toyota, Continental Tire

Tennessee ( Vanderbilt, Univ of Tenn ) US Corp to Boycott/Divest from: AutoZone, AT& T, Deloitte, Loews,Fed Ex,Dollar General, Ruby Tuesdays, HCA Inc.*** the US state with largest Foreign Corp Investment** is TN so they are vulnerable here, especially Nashville. EU/ Foreign Corp putting their Corp Execs/ female / family employees/ family members at risk: Phillips Electronics, BASF, Nissan, Bridgestone


Women have exponentially more Capital wealth, Corp power and investment dollars than we did in 1973- time to put the full force of that economic and political power to use for our Daughters and Grand -Daughters. Don't just protest- Boycott, Divest and pull your child's college enrollment. Pressure ALL EU Corp not to invest in US States that violate a Woman's civil right to self-determination and bodily autonomy

Uh, if you abort all the kids, how are you going to have grand-daughters?

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Crazy Capitalization lady strikes again.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy Capitalization lady strikes again.

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Crazy in so many ways, grammar and spelling being the least of it.

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And what will you do or say if red states begin offering much more comprehensive free birth control options, better prenatal care, better sex education that encourages girls to report cases of rape and incest so those instances reduce, birth rates and mother and infant mortality rates reduce, adoptions are easier and less expensive? What will you say when the red states have better overall healthcare for women rather than having a single issue with abortion as a form of birth control? Abortions are not risk free. Wouldn't preventing the pregnancy in the first place be better?


I would say that sounds like a blue state.

No kidding. No red state would support those policies because the alleged "pro-life" movement is (and has always been) about punishing and controlling women for having sex, NOT about actually caring about children.

I am sorry this is just not true.

I live in the south- you should see all the adopted kids from around the world in our church. Our whole community is geared around youth activities. We have very active charities, through our churches and otherwise.

Our local pediatric hospital will accept ANY insurance for kids. Try that in coastal cities and see what happens.

I am not going to convince you on this SC decision but you do yourself a disservice to dismiss pro life people (and the places where they live) as uncaring for children.

These people are effectively stealing kids from their own cultures and then brainwashing them with religion.

Disgusting.

What an awful thing you have said about families making the maximum gift and commitment to kids who would grow up in 2nd and 3rd world orphanages, many with disabilities.

I hope nobody is discourage from adopting by someone like you.

Stealing people from other cultures and forcing your beliefs on them isn’t a “gift”.

Tell that to the boy with Down’s syndrome from China in our Church. Or the kids my cousin adopted from Peru from an orphanage. God you are a bad bad person.

Just because they are vulnerable doesn’t mean it’s ok to take them from their country of origin. Or brainwash them with your own religion.

I have extended family members adopted from other countries. As adults, they feel robbed of their identity. And have rejected the religion forced on them by their adoptive parents. They don’t consider it a “gift” at all.

DP. And so you're saying they would rather have grown up in an orphanage instead of being adopted by a loving family. Are you well? Because your posts are completely unhinged.

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And what will you do or say if red states begin offering much more comprehensive free birth control options, better prenatal care, better sex education that encourages girls to report cases of rape and incest so those instances reduce, birth rates and mother and infant mortality rates reduce, adoptions are easier and less expensive? What will you say when the red states have better overall healthcare for women rather than having a single issue with abortion as a form of birth control? Abortions are not risk free. Wouldn't preventing the pregnancy in the first place be better?


I would say that sounds like a blue state.

No kidding. No red state would support those policies because the alleged "pro-life" movement is (and has always been) about punishing and controlling women for having sex, NOT about actually caring about children.

I am sorry this is just not true.

I live in the south- you should see all the adopted kids from around the world in our church. Our whole community is geared around youth activities. We have very active charities, through our churches and otherwise.

Our local pediatric hospital will accept ANY insurance for kids. Try that in coastal cities and see what happens.

I am not going to convince you on this SC decision but you do yourself a disservice to dismiss pro life people (and the places where they live) as uncaring for children.

These people are effectively stealing kids from their own cultures and then brainwashing them with religion.

Disgusting.

What an awful thing you have said about families making the maximum gift and commitment to kids who would grow up in 2nd and 3rd world orphanages, many with disabilities.

I hope nobody is discourage from adopting by someone like you.

Stealing people from other cultures and forcing your beliefs on them isn’t a “gift”.

Tell that to the boy with Down’s syndrome from China in our Church. Or the kids my cousin adopted from Peru from an orphanage. God you are a bad bad person.

+100
Disgusting person.

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And what will you do or say if red states begin offering much more comprehensive free birth control options, better prenatal care, better sex education that encourages girls to report cases of rape and incest so those instances reduce, birth rates and mother and infant mortality rates reduce, adoptions are easier and less expensive? What will you say when the red states have better overall healthcare for women rather than having a single issue with abortion as a form of birth control? Abortions are not risk free. Wouldn't preventing the pregnancy in the first place be better?


I would say that sounds like a blue state.

No kidding. No red state would support those policies because the alleged "pro-life" movement is (and has always been) about punishing and controlling women for having sex, NOT about actually caring about children.

I am sorry this is just not true.

I live in the south- you should see all the adopted kids from around the world in our church. Our whole community is geared around youth activities. We have very active charities, through our churches and otherwise.

Our local pediatric hospital will accept ANY insurance for kids. Try that in coastal cities and see what happens.

I am not going to convince you on this SC decision but you do yourself a disservice to dismiss pro life people (and the places where they live) as uncaring for children.

These people are effectively stealing kids from their own cultures and then brainwashing them with religion.

Disgusting.

What an awful thing you have said about families making the maximum gift and commitment to kids who would grow up in 2nd and 3rd world orphanages, many with disabilities.

I hope nobody is discourage from adopting by someone like you.

Stealing people from other cultures and forcing your beliefs on them isn’t a “gift”.

Tell that to the boy with Down’s syndrome from China in our Church. Or the kids my cousin adopted from Peru from an orphanage. God you are a bad bad person.

Just because they are vulnerable doesn’t mean it’s ok to take them from their country of origin. Or brainwash them with your own religion.

I have extended family members adopted from other countries. As adults, they feel robbed of their identity. And have rejected the religion forced on them by their adoptive parents. They don’t consider it a “gift” at all.

DP. Your whole family sounds as rigid and uncaring as you.

Horrible people. I hope the ungrateful adoptees have it come back to them in spades. It tends to happen like that.

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And what will you do or say if red states begin offering much more comprehensive free birth control options, better prenatal care, better sex education that encourages girls to report cases of rape and incest so those instances reduce, birth rates and mother and infant mortality rates reduce, adoptions are easier and less expensive? What will you say when the red states have better overall healthcare for women rather than having a single issue with abortion as a form of birth control? Abortions are not risk free. Wouldn't preventing the pregnancy in the first place be better?


I would say that sounds like a blue state.

No kidding. No red state would support those policies because the alleged "pro-life" movement is (and has always been) about punishing and controlling women for having sex, NOT about actually caring about children.

I am sorry this is just not true.

I live in the south- you should see all the adopted kids from around the world in our church. Our whole community is geared around youth activities. We have very active charities, through our churches and otherwise.

Our local pediatric hospital will accept ANY insurance for kids. Try that in coastal cities and see what happens.

I am not going to convince you on this SC decision but you do yourself a disservice to dismiss pro life people (and the places where they live) as uncaring for children.

+1 Although we're outnumbered on this site, there are those here who know your post reflects the truth.

Women who have terminated a pregnancy are not murderers. That is only your truth, not the truth.

DP. The PP didn't call anyone a murderer. But you did.