Lost, considering returning to Catholicism despite disagreeing with so much.

[Anonymous]

The unique example of a “corrupt organization,” yes? No other organization with any issues? No other corruption? No public entities with problems? Nope. Just the Catholics.

I think this is akin to systemic vs. individual racism.

The RCC has a systemic child abuse problem. Not an individual problem, a systemic one. At the highest levels of the Church, there was an organized and systemic effort to cover up abuse, to move abusive priests from parish to parish, and to sideline and discredit child sexual abuse victims. It's baked into the crust.

Yes, other organizations have seen abuse occur but none have gone so far to side with abusers as the RCC.

[Anonymous]

Please don't support an organization that continues to foster hate, abuse children and keep women worldwide in the dark ages.

Lots of better organizations out there! Look at the Anglican Church in Falls Church they basically got booted from the Episcopalian church for their support of gay rights among other things.

[Anonymous]

If you can still be Catholic despite the pedophilia and cover-ups, then stop with the namby-pamby, wishy-washy attitude. If that doesn't turn you away from the Catholic cult, nothing will.

-My uncle was sexually abused by a priest, his parents slapped him for telling them and "lying," and as a college-age adult he reported it. The priest is still actively "serving."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you attend but not financially support the church?

I can understand wanting the experience of mass, but I could never give money to an organization that actively works to take away my rights as a woman and a lesbian.

I’m a Catholic woman, and I have this same thought sometimes. But really, most of the money either stays within the parish or goes out to help people with their rent and utilities and such.
Also, I pay my taxes, and that’s a corrupt organization if I ever saw one.
And I voluntarily put money into index funds and buy other stock from companies that aren’t exactly exempt from corruption.
I don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you can still be Catholic despite the pedophilia and cover-ups, then stop with the namby-pamby, wishy-washy attitude. If that doesn't turn you away from the Catholic cult, nothing will.

-My uncle was sexually abused by a priest, his parents slapped him for telling them and "lying," and as a college-age adult he reported it. The priest is still actively "serving."

Your grandparents are terrible people. I hope that you have stopped associating with them and anyone who supported them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you attend but not financially support the church?

I can understand wanting the experience of mass, but I could never give money to an organization that actively works to take away my rights as a woman and a lesbian.

I’m a Catholic woman, and I have this same thought sometimes. But really, most of the money either stays within the parish or goes out to help people with their rent and utilities and such.
Also, I pay my taxes, and that’s a corrupt organization if I ever saw one.
And I voluntarily put money into index funds and buy other stock from companies that aren’t exactly exempt from corruption.
I don’t know.

Taxes are not a choice.

You choose to support an organization that spends millions on a lobby to deny sex abuse victims rights, they spend millions to deny LGBT people rights.

You can convince yourself that “your support doesn’t really help the lobby” but you are wrong.

Just admit you are too selfish to care about other people and move on.

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roman-catholic-church-pours-2-million-into-discrimination-against-lgbt-amer

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2345778001

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/catholic-church-scandal-spent-10-million-lobbyists-fight-extension-statutes-of-limitations-child-sex-abuse-vicims/

[Anonymous]

The Catholic Church supports procreation between two loving individuals within commune with God. Cohabitation before marriage is not allowed. Liberal philosophy can join Henry VIII.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you can still be Catholic despite the pedophilia and cover-ups, then stop with the namby-pamby, wishy-washy attitude. If that doesn't turn you away from the Catholic cult, nothing will.

-My uncle was sexually abused by a priest, his parents slapped him for telling them and "lying," and as a college-age adult he reported it. The priest is still actively "serving."

He is actively serving because the Catholic Church actively lobbies for laws to protect priest, like statue of limitations laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP seriously you believe in everything Catholics do not.

Pro Choice
Gay marriage
Divorce

Why would you want to be part of something that condones chiid abusers and is against the things you believe in?

How about Unitarian? Or Episcopalian?.

You actually don't understand what you are talking about. But I'm sure you think you do. Most every Catholic I know supports all the things you list. If you can't understand how that is possible, then you don't actually know what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you attend but not financially support the church?

I can understand wanting the experience of mass, but I could never give money to an organization that actively works to take away my rights as a woman and a lesbian.

I’m a Catholic woman, and I have this same thought sometimes. But really, most of the money either stays within the parish or goes out to help people with their rent and utilities and such.
Also, I pay my taxes, and that’s a corrupt organization if I ever saw one.
And I voluntarily put money into index funds and buy other stock from companies that aren’t exactly exempt from corruption.
I don’t know.

Taxes are not a choice.

You choose to support an organization that spends millions on a lobby to deny sex abuse victims rights, they spend millions to deny LGBT people rights.

You can convince yourself that “your support doesn’t really help the lobby” but you are wrong.

Just admit you are too selfish to care about other people and move on.

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roman-catholic-church-pours-2-million-into-discrimination-against-lgbt-amer

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2345778001

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/catholic-church-scandal-spent-10-million-lobbyists-fight-extension-statutes-of-limitations-child-sex-abuse-vicims/

I will tell you what. If you pull all of your money out of any company on the stock exchange that lobbies for causes you don’t believe in (including index funds), and you start posting on the money forum encouraging others to do the same, then I will stop giving money to my church and school and donate only to specific charities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church supports procreation between two loving individuals within commune with God. Cohabitation before marriage is not allowed. Liberal philosophy can join Henry VIII.

This is me… no one wants you to be in our Church without true believers. For you undecided, there are a million Protestant churches. Turn on Joel Olsten 10am every Sunday. And STOP. You would never be so cruel against any other religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you attend but not financially support the church?

I can understand wanting the experience of mass, but I could never give money to an organization that actively works to take away my rights as a woman and a lesbian.

I’m a Catholic woman, and I have this same thought sometimes. But really, most of the money either stays within the parish or goes out to help people with their rent and utilities and such.
Also, I pay my taxes, and that’s a corrupt organization if I ever saw one.
And I voluntarily put money into index funds and buy other stock from companies that aren’t exactly exempt from corruption.
I don’t know.

Taxes are not a choice.

You choose to support an organization that spends millions on a lobby to deny sex abuse victims rights, they spend millions to deny LGBT people rights.

You can convince yourself that “your support doesn’t really help the lobby” but you are wrong.

Just admit you are too selfish to care about other people and move on.

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roman-catholic-church-pours-2-million-into-discrimination-against-lgbt-amer

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2345778001

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/catholic-church-scandal-spent-10-million-lobbyists-fight-extension-statutes-of-limitations-child-sex-abuse-vicims/

I will tell you what. If you pull all of your money out of any company on the stock exchange that lobbies for causes you don’t believe in (including index funds), and you start posting on the money forum encouraging others to do the same, then I will stop giving money to my church and school and donate only to specific charities.

I don’t support or invest in corrupt companies.

But go ahead just go around thinking everybody is corrupt so you must support corrupt organizations. Wash your hands Judas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church supports procreation between two loving individuals within commune with God. Cohabitation before marriage is not allowed. Liberal philosophy can join Henry VIII.

what about the love of a priest for an alter boy, the church seems to have no problem supporting that

[Anonymous]

I am a person who recognized there was good in the church, was fine disagreeing with church teachings but found the repeated scandals … institutionalized support for horrific child abuse … a bridge too far. I ultimately left on principal and now I believe the church is pretty corrupt at its core. Sure the people are not the church but I could no longer justify staying. Clearly this is more than a case of a few bad apples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church supports procreation between two loving individuals within commune with God. Cohabitation before marriage is not allowed. Liberal philosophy can join Henry VIII.

what about the love of a priest for an alter boy, the church seems to have no problem supporting that

No one supports this.

Do you see people sainted for this? Do you see anyone saying that these priests are at the right hand of God in Heaven?

No. No one thinks this is good or is supportive of it continuing.