Top 100 undergrad CS by US News

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Carnegie Mellon undergrad, and I can't even begin to comprehend it being that far up. I find this baffling.

Were you in the school of computer science?

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Anonymous wrote:As a data point, my DD just graduated in computer science from Emory University which is ranked 71in your list and she got offers from Amazon, Google and a few other companies for top salaries. If you are a good student,you will do well. But she did send out 150 resumes.

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My DD just graduated from VT in CS after spending two years at NVCC. She got an offer from Amazon in Northern Virginia for a salary of 125k/yr. DD is certified in AWS while finishing up her undergraduate degree at VT.

People are talking about 300k+ package (base+bonus+RSU), even 400k from FAANG+ for MIT fresh graduates this year.

FAANG isn't 400k (unless you could 4 years of RSU as one). FAANG caps out around 230k a year tops (maybe 320k with bonus).

Friend's son graduated from MIT and got an offer from Jane Street, total $400k package.

Wow!! That’s righteous bucks! My DS worked there one summer and hated it, unfortunately. He loves theoretical physics. 😊

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Full pay top 5 CS school. It sounds like an amazing experience and arguably it is healthy to get away from home/out of state.

But what is interesting to me is how many public schools are in the top half of this list.

So many of these private schools (University of Rochester, Case Western, etc.) are ranked lower in this list than public schools (University of Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota) and they cost more and are more difficult to get into. Why pay more and work harder in high school to get into a school that isn't ranked as high? Are the dorms really that much nicer? The food better? Maybe the connections are netter and more likely to get a great job? I'm curious how these schools compare for salary for CS grads 5 years post graduation. Maybe that's the draw?

My kid got into CS at UIUC, but turned it down for UCLA. I was pretty upset. Oh well. He put a higher value on location.

Sure, I get that-- but what is it about UR (#68), CWRU (#87) and BU (#100) that makes students want to worker harder and pay more $ to attend compared to UW (#11), UWM (#20), UMTC (#41)? Are the public schools weed out schools? Like you are admitted into the computer science program but only a fraction get to continue with it into sophomore year? I kind of get why Boston could be a generally more appealing location than Seattle, Madison or the Twin Cities, but is Rochester also a really a best location than those cities? and wherever CWRU is located?

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Full pay top 5 CS school. It sounds like an amazing experience and arguably it is healthy to get away from home/out of state.

But what is interesting to me is how many public schools are in the top half of this list.

So many of these private schools (University of Rochester, Case Western, etc.) are ranked lower in this list than public schools (University of Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota) and they cost more and are more difficult to get into. Why pay more and work harder in high school to get into a school that isn't ranked as high? Are the dorms really that much nicer? The food better? Maybe the connections are netter and more likely to get a great job? I'm curious how these schools compare for salary for CS grads 5 years post graduation. Maybe that's the draw?

My kid got into CS at UIUC, but turned it down for UCLA. I was pretty upset. Oh well. He put a higher value on location.

I would choose UCLA over UIUC too because I don't want to live in the middle of nowhere for four years, not to mention UCLA has one of the best campuses in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:So the DCUM top engineering school, VTech, is only #30, same as UVA who is supposed to be bad at engineering?

Well, Computer Science is part of the college of engineering at some schools, but not necessarily "engineering."

Can we please not turn this into a debate about UVA in some way? Is that possible?

Yes. Computer Science can be housed in the engineering department or the math department or the science department. It just depends on the school. A school can have great comp sci and bad engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Full pay top 5 CS school. It sounds like an amazing experience and arguably it is healthy to get away from home/out of state.

But what is interesting to me is how many public schools are in the top half of this list.

So many of these private schools (University of Rochester, Case Western, etc.) are ranked lower in this list than public schools (University of Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota) and they cost more and are more difficult to get into. Why pay more and work harder in high school to get into a school that isn't ranked as high? Are the dorms really that much nicer? The food better? Maybe the connections are netter and more likely to get a great job? I'm curious how these schools compare for salary for CS grads 5 years post graduation. Maybe that's the draw?

My kid got into CS at UIUC, but turned it down for UCLA. I was pretty upset. Oh well. He put a higher value on location.

I would choose UCLA over UIUC too because I don't want to live in the middle of nowhere for four years, not to mention UCLA has one of the best campuses in the world.

IDK - great campus location, but not really a great campus IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Full pay top 5 CS school. It sounds like an amazing experience and arguably it is healthy to get away from home/out of state.

But what is interesting to me is how many public schools are in the top half of this list.

So many of these private schools (University of Rochester, Case Western, etc.) are ranked lower in this list than public schools (University of Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota) and they cost more and are more difficult to get into. Why pay more and work harder in high school to get into a school that isn't ranked as high? Are the dorms really that much nicer? The food better? Maybe the connections are netter and more likely to get a great job? I'm curious how these schools compare for salary for CS grads 5 years post graduation. Maybe that's the draw?

My kid got into CS at UIUC, but turned it down for UCLA. I was pretty upset. Oh well. He put a higher value on location.

Sure, I get that-- but what is it about UR (#68), CWRU (#87) and BU (#100) that makes students want to worker harder and pay more $ to attend compared to UW (#11), UWM (#20), UMTC (#41)? Are the public schools weed out schools? Like you are admitted into the computer science program but only a fraction get to continue with it into sophomore year? I kind of get why Boston could be a generally more appealing location than Seattle, Madison or the Twin Cities, but is Rochester also a really a best location than those cities? and wherever CWRU is located?

You are describing our EXACT situation!! Specifically for us it's the ability to play collegiiate Athletics. Not good enough for "big time". Rochester and CWRU (Cleveland!) offer division 3 and the potential for Merit (not athletic) scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Full pay top 5 CS school. It sounds like an amazing experience and arguably it is healthy to get away from home/out of state.

But what is interesting to me is how many public schools are in the top half of this list.

So many of these private schools (University of Rochester, Case Western, etc.) are ranked lower in this list than public schools (University of Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota) and they cost more and are more difficult to get into. Why pay more and work harder in high school to get into a school that isn't ranked as high? Are the dorms really that much nicer? The food better? Maybe the connections are netter and more likely to get a great job? I'm curious how these schools compare for salary for CS grads 5 years post graduation. Maybe that's the draw?

My kid got into CS at UIUC, but turned it down for UCLA. I was pretty upset. Oh well. He put a higher value on location.

Sure, I get that-- but what is it about UR (#68), CWRU (#87) and BU (#100) that makes students want to worker harder and pay more $ to attend compared to UW (#11), UWM (#20), UMTC (#41)? Are the public schools weed out schools? Like you are admitted into the computer science program but only a fraction get to continue with it into sophomore year? I kind of get why Boston could be a generally more appealing location than Seattle, Madison or the Twin Cities, but is Rochester also a really a best location than those cities? and wherever CWRU is located?

You are describing our EXACT situation!! Specifically for us it's the ability to play collegiiate Athletics. Not good enough for "big time". Rochester and CWRU (Cleveland!) offer division 3 and the potential for Merit (not athletic) scholarships.

PP here-- Thank you so much for your response!

My kid is in a similar situation regarding athletics so I'm ashamed I didn't think of that.

I guess it's just difficult for me to wrap my mind around the idea that the ability to play the sport they want in DIII outweighs the negatives of the school (lower rank for CS, more expensive, higher SAT and GPA expectation for admission) but I guess for lots of kids that's what it is about!

I suppose the smaller class sizes are also a possible benefit at those lower ranked but more expensive schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Any top 100 CS school is fine if you want to get any job.

If a student wants to get the top jobs, then yes the school matters because otherwise, the student isn't getting recruited out of college for internships and jobs, and the first job carries over to the later jobs.

That's simply how it is. CS is less prestige-focused than finance and business. However, stop acting like a student from a relatively unknown school has the same job opportunities as a student from CMU or Berkeley.

Even after getting the job, the salary compensation is different for students recruited from top schools vs. those from the rest. Tech companies fight for top talent and they use top schools as a proxy.

This "school you go to doesn't matter" schtick is tiring. Yes, if you simply want a paper with a Bachelors written on it perhaps. Or you want a simple life and don't mind earning less. But otherwise, it matters so please stop lying to the parents of prospective students.

Anonymous wrote:As a data point, my DD just graduated in computer science from Emory University which is ranked 71in your list and she got offers from Amazon, Google and a few other companies for top salaries. If you are a good student,you will do well. But she did send out 150 resumes.

To the top poster quoted above: You’re a dope. Top 100 ranked CS schools are great.

Emory is a top 25 ranked private university, not an unknown regional public. How exactly does that disprove the point at all?

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Depends on what the top 5 school is. I have a hard time believing the cornfields of UIUC is worth going to out-of-state over UMD. U. Washington could be, because its based on Seattle which is a great city (in general and for tech). Georgia Tech is half the size and more engineering focused so it may be worth it as well.

But any of the rest

California Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Cornell University

could be definitely worth it. These are top privates in general and unless there's a financial issue or the student just does not like the location/culture of the school, I don't see much reason to pick UMD over it.

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Anonymous wrote:Umd in state vs full pay at a top 5 cs school which would you choose ?

Full pay top 5 CS school. It sounds like an amazing experience and arguably it is healthy to get away from home/out of state.

But what is interesting to me is how many public schools are in the top half of this list.

So many of these private schools (University of Rochester, Case Western, etc.) are ranked lower in this list than public schools (University of Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota) and they cost more and are more difficult to get into. Why pay more and work harder in high school to get into a school that isn't ranked as high? Are the dorms really that much nicer? The food better? Maybe the connections are netter and more likely to get a great job? I'm curious how these schools compare for salary for CS grads 5 years post graduation. Maybe that's the draw?

My kid got into CS at UIUC, but turned it down for UCLA. I was pretty upset. Oh well. He put a higher value on location.

I don't see why you should be. UIUC may be top 5 for CS, but UCLA is somewhere in the top 15 for CS, ranked much higher overall, and is likely a far better experience living in west LA over rural Illinois.

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Anonymous wrote:Any top 100 CS school is fine if you want to get any job.

If a student wants to get the top jobs, then yes the school matters because otherwise, the student isn't getting recruited out of college for internships and jobs, and the first job carries over to the later jobs.

That's simply how it is. CS is less prestige-focused than finance and business. However, stop acting like a student from a relatively unknown school has the same job opportunities as a student from CMU or Berkeley.

Even after getting the job, the salary compensation is different for students recruited from top schools vs. those from the rest. Tech companies fight for top talent and they use top schools as a proxy.

This "school you go to doesn't matter" schtick is tiring. Yes, if you simply want a paper with a Bachelors written on it perhaps. Or you want a simple life and don't mind earning less. But otherwise, it matters so please stop lying to the parents of prospective students.

Anonymous wrote:As a data point, my DD just graduated in computer science from Emory University which is ranked 71in your list and she got offers from Amazon, Google and a few other companies for top salaries. If you are a good student,you will do well. But she did send out 150 resumes.

To the top poster quoted above: You’re a dope. Top 100 ranked CS schools are great.

Emory is a top 25 ranked private university, not an unknown regional public. How exactly does that disprove the point at all?

71st ranked in CS. Not a top 25 school. That's the point. The first poster was claiming that top 100 was essentially irrelevant, referencing the tippy top schools CMU and Berkeley. That people saying top 100 are great is a "schtick" that "is tiring". Well that's just plain wrong for CS.

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Anonymous wrote:Any top 100 CS school is fine if you want to get any job.

If a student wants to get the top jobs, then yes the school matters because otherwise, the student isn't getting recruited out of college for internships and jobs, and the first job carries over to the later jobs.

That's simply how it is. CS is less prestige-focused than finance and business. However, stop acting like a student from a relatively unknown school has the same job opportunities as a student from CMU or Berkeley.

Even after getting the job, the salary compensation is different for students recruited from top schools vs. those from the rest. Tech companies fight for top talent and they use top schools as a proxy.

This "school you go to doesn't matter" schtick is tiring. Yes, if you simply want a paper with a Bachelors written on it perhaps. Or you want a simple life and don't mind earning less. But otherwise, it matters so please stop lying to the parents of prospective students.

Anonymous wrote:As a data point, my DD just graduated in computer science from Emory University which is ranked 71in your list and she got offers from Amazon, Google and a few other companies for top salaries. If you are a good student,you will do well. But she did send out 150 resumes.

To the top poster quoted above: You’re a dope. Top 100 ranked CS schools are great.

Emory is a top 25 ranked private university, not an unknown regional public. How exactly does that disprove the point at all?

71st ranked in CS. Not a top 25 school. That's the point. The first poster was claiming that top 100 was essentially irrelevant, referencing the tippy top schools CMU and Berkeley. That people saying top 100 are great is a "schtick" that "is tiring". Well that's just plain wrong for CS.

Do you lack basic reading comprehension or are you just an idiot?

The post states:

That's simply how it is. CS is less prestige-focused than finance and business. However, stop acting like a student from a relatively unknown school has the same job opportunities as a student from CMU or Berkeley.

It compares relatively unknown schools like say, Central Illinois University, against schools like CMU or Berkeley.

Emory is not an unknown school.

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Let me summarize.

Once you go past Txx (let’s say 20 but this is just to put an arbitrary marker) for CS, then the list matters less; the overall reputation of the school and the quality of the individual will count for more.

Some companies only recruit at certain schools.

The ones that offer supranormal comps like prop trading firms recruit (but take resumes from anyone) at selected schools.

The Top 10 (particularly the top 4) on this list enjoy wide agreement as the traditional top schools. The list kind of blurs towards homogeneity after that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any top 100 CS school is fine if you want to get any job.

If a student wants to get the top jobs, then yes the school matters because otherwise, the student isn't getting recruited out of college for internships and jobs, and the first job carries over to the later jobs.

That's simply how it is. CS is less prestige-focused than finance and business. However, stop acting like a student from a relatively unknown school has the same job opportunities as a student from CMU or Berkeley.

Even after getting the job, the salary compensation is different for students recruited from top schools vs. those from the rest. Tech companies fight for top talent and they use top schools as a proxy.

This "school you go to doesn't matter" schtick is tiring. Yes, if you simply want a paper with a Bachelors written on it perhaps. Or you want a simple life and don't mind earning less. But otherwise, it matters so please stop lying to the parents of prospective students.

Anonymous wrote:As a data point, my DD just graduated in computer science from Emory University which is ranked 71in your list and she got offers from Amazon, Google and a few other companies for top salaries. If you are a good student,you will do well. But she did send out 150 resumes.

To the top poster quoted above: You’re a dope. Top 100 ranked CS schools are great.

Emory is a top 25 ranked private university, not an unknown regional public. How exactly does that disprove the point at all?

71st ranked in CS. Not a top 25 school. That's the point. The first poster was claiming that top 100 was essentially irrelevant, referencing the tippy top schools CMU and Berkeley. That people saying top 100 are great is a "schtick" that "is tiring". Well that's just plain wrong for CS.

Do you lack basic reading comprehension or are you just an idiot?

The post states:

That's simply how it is. CS is less prestige-focused than finance and business. However, stop acting like a student from a relatively unknown school has the same job opportunities as a student from CMU or Berkeley.

It compares relatively unknown schools like say, Central Illinois University, against schools like CMU or Berkeley.

Emory is not an unknown school.

This discussion is about the top 100, not every school offering CS. Try as I might, I cannot find Central Illinois University in that list of top 100.