Virginia Public College Tier List

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's more meaningful to group how far above or below the median (1190)...if you truly want to objectively group.

More than 1 std above median:
w&m - 1430
uva - 1410
vt - 1280

Above/equal median:
cnu - 1230
gmu - 1220
vmi - 1210
jmu - 1200
umw - 1190 (median)

Below median:
vcu - 1180
odu - 1110
radford - 1060
longwood - 1060

More than 1 std below median:
uva-wise - 1030
norfolk state - 950
vsu - 950

Damn, JMU is barely above the median. All the DCUMers who constantly toss off to that school won't like seeing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's more meaningful to group how far above or below the median (1190)...if you truly want to objectively group.

More than 1 std above median:
w&m - 1430
uva - 1410
vt - 1280

Above/equal median:
cnu - 1230
gmu - 1220
vmi - 1210
jmu - 1200
umw - 1190 (median)

Below median:
vcu - 1180
odu - 1110
radford - 1060
longwood - 1060

More than 1 std below median:
uva-wise - 1030
norfolk state - 950
vsu - 950

Damn, JMU is barely above the median. All the DCUMers who constantly toss off to that school won't like seeing that.

I median appears to be about 1080, not 1190 as shown. Back in the dark ages when I took the SAT, I think the median was about 940. It was supposed to be set to 1000 back in the 1960s but had been declining over time as a higher percentage of high school students took the test. They re-normed it a couple of times since then, which explains some part of the 140 point or so increase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's more meaningful to group how far above or below the median (1190)...if you truly want to objectively group.

More than 1 std above median:
w&m - 1430
uva - 1410
vt - 1280

Above/equal median:
cnu - 1230
gmu - 1220
vmi - 1210
jmu - 1200
umw - 1190 (median)

Below median:
vcu - 1180
odu - 1110
radford - 1060
longwood - 1060

More than 1 std below median:
uva-wise - 1030
norfolk state - 950
vsu - 950

Damn, JMU is barely above the median. All the DCUMers who constantly toss off to that school won't like seeing that.

I median appears to be about 1080, not 1190 as shown. Back in the dark ages when I took the SAT, I think the median was about 940. It was supposed to be set to 1000 back in the 1960s but had been declining over time as a higher percentage of high school students took the test. They re-normed it a couple of times since then, which explains some part of the 140 point or so increase.

The median above was for the average SAT scores for students attending VA state colleges (based on questionable data source), not all VA students who took the SAT. It's also not weighted based on school size, but shouldn't be too far off.

If I didn't have to get some actual work done today I'd happily find a better data source and incorporate the weighting.

[Anonymous]

You people are insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are insane.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

+ 100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are insane.

+1

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are insane.

+1

+100

Yet all of you clowns still clicked on the thread to look at the rankings 🤷‍♂️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

The outcome for UMC kids heading to UVA vs. ODU are negligible.

All Virginia public schools should shift demographics to help the kids who need it the most. Those kids who end up at VSU should have the same opportunities to end up with $100k starting salaries out of UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

The outcome for UMC kids heading to UVA vs. ODU are negligible.

All Virginia public schools should shift demographics to help the kids who need it the most. Those kids who end up at VSU should have the same opportunities to end up with $100k starting salaries out of UVA.

blame the recruiters hiring entry level workers at that salary- odds are they don't even visit VSU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

The outcome for UMC kids heading to UVA vs. ODU are negligible.

All Virginia public schools should shift demographics to help the kids who need it the most. Those kids who end up at VSU should have the same opportunities to end up with $100k starting salaries out of UVA.

blame the recruiters hiring entry level workers at that salary- odds are they don't even visit VSU

Would you if you were going to spend $100k on an untested candidate and needed to be reasonably sure they'd received a rigorous education and been thoroughly challenged by both their professors and peers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

The outcome for UMC kids heading to UVA vs. ODU are negligible.

All Virginia public schools should shift demographics to help the kids who need it the most. Those kids who end up at VSU should have the same opportunities to end up with $100k starting salaries out of UVA.

blame the recruiters hiring entry level workers at that salary- odds are they don't even visit VSU

Would you if you were going to spend $100k on an untested candidate and needed to be reasonably sure they'd received a rigorous education and been thoroughly challenged by both their professors and peers?

UVA and the higher-rated Virginia public colleges need to expand admissions for first generation and low-income families. Give them the education, professors, and peers.

Should be the #1 mission of public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

The outcome for UMC kids heading to UVA vs. ODU are negligible.

All Virginia public schools should shift demographics to help the kids who need it the most. Those kids who end up at VSU should have the same opportunities to end up with $100k starting salaries out of UVA.

blame the recruiters hiring entry level workers at that salary- odds are they don't even visit VSU

Would you if you were going to spend $100k on an untested candidate and needed to be reasonably sure they'd received a rigorous education and been thoroughly challenged by both their professors and peers?

UVA and the higher-rated Virginia public colleges need to expand admissions for first generation and low-income families. Give them the education, professors, and peers.

Should be the #1 mission of public schools.

What if the URMs have not been properly prepared and educated by the primary and secondary school system? What are the "higher-rated" universities to do? Do remedial education?