Virginia Public College Tier List

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Anonymous wrote:To me it goes:

UVA, WM, VT engineering
VT, JMU, GMU comp science
CNU, UMW, VCU, GMU
Other VA publics

+ 1 pretty straightforward

UVA, W&M, VT, and JMU, for instance, are largely taking students from upper middle income families and producing upper middle income graduates. This isn't really turning iron into gold.

Schools like ODU, Norfolk State, and Virginia State are actually doing more to move a higher percentage of their students from lower income brackets to higher income brackets.

Got to keep running, just to stand still. Counter to narrative, it's not easy to stay UMC -- that's where the upwardly mobile land without generational wealth to passively ride on. Probably the best definitional difference between MC and UC is "do you have to work to maintain class status" implying that UC could get by on passive management of existing assets.

It's pretty straightforward, if not easy, to go from LC to MC: finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

Poor school districts should be flooding the zone with Certified Nurse Assistants, LPNs, Skilled Construction Trades, IT Technicians, etc. Going to a cut-rate collage to get a degree in "communications" or "business" is going to saddle them with debt (even with free tuition) and keep them out of the workplace.

Perhaps, but choice of major will probably be more important in "staying UMC" than choice of college.

The outcome for UMC kids heading to UVA vs. ODU are negligible.

All Virginia public schools should shift demographics to help the kids who need it the most. Those kids who end up at VSU should have the same opportunities to end up with $100k starting salaries out of UVA.

blame the recruiters hiring entry level workers at that salary- odds are they don't even visit VSU

Would you if you were going to spend $100k on an untested candidate and needed to be reasonably sure they'd received a rigorous education and been thoroughly challenged by both their professors and peers?

UVA and the higher-rated Virginia public colleges need to expand admissions for first generation and low-income families. Give them the education, professors, and peers.

Should be the #1 mission of public schools.

What if the URMs have not been properly prepared and educated by the primary and secondary school system? What are the "higher-rated" universities to do? Do remedial education?

If needed. But I'm sure they can find many qualified candidates if they shift their admissions.

The % of AA students is lower now than it was 10 years ago.

It should be at or above 20%.
https://diversitydata.virginia.edu/Home/Details/Undergraduate%20Students

Looks like they are increasing first generation - but could still increase %:
https://uvamagazine.org/articles/first_gens_first

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So a quota system? Please.

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Anonymous wrote:So a quota system? Please.

It's public school and should be serving ALL of its constituents. Not just the UMC kids.

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Anonymous wrote:So a quota system? Please.

It's public school and should be serving ALL of its constituents. Not just the UMC kids.

I repeat. So you want a quota system then. Please.

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Help me out here. Are we
Biased against GMU because it is right in our backyard? Always thought JMU was a cut above. Also, personally, W&M isn’t my cup of tea so I might have some bias there as
well.

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GMU is right in our backyard so it's kind of not too exciting but especially in IT, they have some great career opportunities being close in to DC. JMU to me in a party school for the smart-ish kids. Those with mid to upper 3 GPAs but not good enough to get into Tech or UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:So for highly competitive program you go to:

Va Tech - engineering
GMU - computer science
VCU - art

Then the rest you go to where you fit.

Who would best fit where?