Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

Black and Asian people haven't gotten good at hiding their black and Asian identies. Got it

Is this the Olympics of oppression?

[Anonymous]

Can we just agree that WASP males are the only people never ever facing any kind of oppression and call it a day?

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Anonymous wrote:Jews are 2% of the population and comprise 20-25% of the student population at every top college.....I’m not sure there is a meaningful inclusion or diversity issue here.

You are very narrow minded.

But nonetheless correct.

So does that mean Asians don’t have to worry, either?

No, because colleges ask the applicant’s race so they can apply quotas and socially engineer their preferred racial mix. Nobody asks about religion so Jews get a pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

I am not Jewish, and you don’t know how many times I have been told I was going to hell. Try growing up in a Baptist church and forced to watch the “Burning Hell” movie multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you have a CEO problem at your company.

My leader sent out an email after the Tree of Life synagogue shooting. There was a massive amount of media coverage. Gatherings and memorials in multiple cities.

This.

And our leadership made a statement after Tree of Life, but has not yet said anything about Atlanta.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

OMG! It’s comments like this that makes you sound ridiculous. You know who can’t hide their identity? Black and Asian people.

Obviously, antisemitism is a problem in this country. The synagogue attacks prove that, but there have also been increasing number of lower level hate crimes against individuals and houses of worship. I think you’re right that Jews do get sidelined in the discussion about racism precisely because they can easily blend in to predominantly white spaces AND white power structures. Where you sound completely tone deaf is not understanding the massive advantage that gives you. As a light skinned black woman who can often blend into white spaces, I can tell you that is a VERY privileged position compared to darker skinned black women. And yes, it does mean hiding aspects of my identity which has its own issues — but let’s not forget that it comes with enormous advantages. In the context of Asians speaking out about being murdered because of how they look, it’s incredibly tone deaf to talk about the burdens of easy assimilation.

Wait, so because Jews can often hide, that means they don’t deserve allyship?

Also, newsflash: many Jews cannot hide. Many of us have pretty distinct features.

You sound ignorant.

NP. What distinctive features do Jewish people have, that others might not? I seriously would like to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

I am not Jewish, and you don’t know how many times I have been told I was going to hell. Try growing up in a Baptist church and forced to watch the “Burning Hell” movie multiple times.

Have you been told your people killed Jesus?

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

OMG! It’s comments like this that makes you sound ridiculous. You know who can’t hide their identity? Black and Asian people.

Obviously, antisemitism is a problem in this country. The synagogue attacks prove that, but there have also been increasing number of lower level hate crimes against individuals and houses of worship. I think you’re right that Jews do get sidelined in the discussion about racism precisely because they can easily blend in to predominantly white spaces AND white power structures. Where you sound completely tone deaf is not understanding the massive advantage that gives you. As a light skinned black woman who can often blend into white spaces, I can tell you that is a VERY privileged position compared to darker skinned black women. And yes, it does mean hiding aspects of my identity which has its own issues — but let’s not forget that it comes with enormous advantages. In the context of Asians speaking out about being murdered because of how they look, it’s incredibly tone deaf to talk about the burdens of easy assimilation.

Hey, PP. I hear you. I totally hear you. But what about observant Jews who, by definition, dress in a manner that easily identifies them as Jews to any passerby? Are you saying they should choose to discard their religious garments to "blend in?" Is that a solution? I discourage my husband from wearing a kippah (head covering) because I worry he will be targeted. Check out what happens in religious Jewish neighborhoods in NYC and the violence against observant Jews. So please, don't be tone deaf about observant Jews. And by the way - many of us who are conservative or reform Jews "easily" (according to you) assimilate by discarding our traditions and choosing very "white" names for our kids. I recognize that as a white woman I do not face the same issues as you do, as a Black woman, but I also have experienced anti-semitism first hand.

Exactly. It shows that many PPs are completely ignorant as to the Jewish faith. Yarmukle, sudra, shtreimel, tallit, sheitels ... most people are completely ignorant that these items of religious dress even exist. Tell me that a Hasidic wearing these items would "blend into white spaces" without a second glance.

Not all, but primarily the Hasidic population live in Brooklyn NY. They have a very different experience and their numbers wield a lot of political pull in the state of NY.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

OMG! It’s comments like this that makes you sound ridiculous. You know who can’t hide their identity? Black and Asian people.

Obviously, antisemitism is a problem in this country. The synagogue attacks prove that, but there have also been increasing number of lower level hate crimes against individuals and houses of worship. I think you’re right that Jews do get sidelined in the discussion about racism precisely because they can easily blend in to predominantly white spaces AND white power structures. Where you sound completely tone deaf is not understanding the massive advantage that gives you. As a light skinned black woman who can often blend into white spaces, I can tell you that is a VERY privileged position compared to darker skinned black women. And yes, it does mean hiding aspects of my identity which has its own issues — but let’s not forget that it comes with enormous advantages. In the context of Asians speaking out about being murdered because of how they look, it’s incredibly tone deaf to talk about the burdens of easy assimilation.

Hey, PP. I hear you. I totally hear you. But what about observant Jews who, by definition, dress in a manner that easily identifies them as Jews to any passerby? Are you saying they should choose to discard their religious garments to "blend in?" Is that a solution? I discourage my husband from wearing a kippah (head covering) because I worry he will be targeted. Check out what happens in religious Jewish neighborhoods in NYC and the violence against observant Jews. So please, don't be tone deaf about observant Jews. And by the way - many of us who are conservative or reform Jews "easily" (according to you) assimilate by discarding our traditions and choosing very "white" names for our kids. I recognize that as a white woman I do not face the same issues as you do, as a Black woman, but I also have experienced anti-semitism first hand.

Exactly. It shows that many PPs are completely ignorant as to the Jewish faith. Yarmukle, sudra, shtreimel, tallit, sheitels ... most people are completely ignorant that these items of religious dress even exist. Tell me that a Hasidic wearing these items would "blend into white spaces" without a second glance.

Not all, but primarily the Hasidic population live in Brooklyn NY. They have a very different experience and their numbers wield a lot of political pull in the state of NY.

Ask the working class in Orange County how it’s going with assimilating the Hasidics.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

OMG! It’s comments like this that makes you sound ridiculous. You know who can’t hide their identity? Black and Asian people.

Obviously, antisemitism is a problem in this country. The synagogue attacks prove that, but there have also been increasing number of lower level hate crimes against individuals and houses of worship. I think you’re right that Jews do get sidelined in the discussion about racism precisely because they can easily blend in to predominantly white spaces AND white power structures. Where you sound completely tone deaf is not understanding the massive advantage that gives you. As a light skinned black woman who can often blend into white spaces, I can tell you that is a VERY privileged position compared to darker skinned black women. And yes, it does mean hiding aspects of my identity which has its own issues — but let’s not forget that it comes with enormous advantages. In the context of Asians speaking out about being murdered because of how they look, it’s incredibly tone deaf to talk about the burdens of easy assimilation.

Hey, PP. I hear you. I totally hear you. But what about observant Jews who, by definition, dress in a manner that easily identifies them as Jews to any passerby? Are you saying they should choose to discard their religious garments to "blend in?" Is that a solution? I discourage my husband from wearing a kippah (head covering) because I worry he will be targeted. Check out what happens in religious Jewish neighborhoods in NYC and the violence against observant Jews. So please, don't be tone deaf about observant Jews. And by the way - many of us who are conservative or reform Jews "easily" (according to you) assimilate by discarding our traditions and choosing very "white" names for our kids. I recognize that as a white woman I do not face the same issues as you do, as a Black woman, but I also have experienced anti-semitism first hand.

Exactly. It shows that many PPs are completely ignorant as to the Jewish faith. Yarmukle, sudra, shtreimel, tallit, sheitels ... most people are completely ignorant that these items of religious dress even exist. Tell me that a Hasidic wearing these items would "blend into white spaces" without a second glance.

Not all, but primarily the Hasidic population live in Brooklyn NY. They have a very different experience and their numbers wield a lot of political pull in the state of NY.

Ask the working class in Orange County how it’s going with assimilating the Hasidics.

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

Black and Asian people haven't gotten good at hiding their black and Asian identies. Got it

Is this the Olympics of oppression?

Per this thread, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

Black and Asian people haven't gotten good at hiding their black and Asian identies. Got it

Is this the Olympics of oppression?

Per this thread, yes.

Got it. And that allows a lot of people to excuse their anti-Semitism. Terrific.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

I am not Jewish, and you don’t know how many times I have been told I was going to hell. Try growing up in a Baptist church and forced to watch the “Burning Hell” movie multiple times.

Have you been told your people killed Jesus?

No I have not. However, I have been told that my people are forever cursed by God because of some dude named Ham, and that Jesus cannot save us from the curse. That’s religion for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

I am not Jewish, and you don’t know how many times I have been told I was going to hell. Try growing up in a Baptist church and forced to watch the “Burning Hell” movie multiple times.

Have you been told your people killed Jesus?

No I have not. However, I have been told that my people are forever cursed by God because of some dude named Ham, and that Jesus cannot save us from the curse. That’s religion for you.

So what are you saying? That we don’t have it that bad because people have said fked up things to you too?

I don’t understand why you can’t just be an ally for us.

[Anonymous]

We started receiving emails like this from the CEO after we got a new head of HR. Prior to that, nothing.