Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews are 2% of the population and comprise 20-25% of the student population at every top college.....I’m not sure there is a meaningful inclusion or diversity issue here.

You are very narrow minded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Is this supposed to mean you think Jews have it good here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Oy.

Are you a joke?? Do you honestly mean to describe GEONOCIDE as "although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe." How (truly) ignorant you are and you seriously need to learn more about the Holocaust as well as anti-Semitism centuries and centuries before that. Get yourself educated, please!

"Reich began by explaining that anti-Semitism is often considered the world’s longest form of hatred; it has existed for over two millennia. He discussed how anti-Semitism was avoided in public during the decades following the Holocaust, but it still remained prominent in private. Recently, anti-Semitism is being expressed more overtly. He cited recent incidents in Europe, like the burning of synagogues, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and violent attacks targeting Jews to highlight the rise of global anti-Semitism."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-rise-global-anti-semitism

Anti-Semitism Rising Even in Countries with No Jews at All, Secretary-General Tells Event on Power of Education to Counter Racism, Discrimination
https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sgsm19252.doc.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Oy.

Are you a joke?? Do you honestly mean to describe GEONOCIDE as "although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe." How (truly) ignorant you are and you seriously need to learn more about the Holocaust as well as anti-Semitism centuries and centuries before that. Get yourself educated, please!

"Reich began by explaining that anti-Semitism is often considered the world’s longest form of hatred; it has existed for over two millennia. He discussed how anti-Semitism was avoided in public during the decades following the Holocaust, but it still remained prominent in private. Recently, anti-Semitism is being expressed more overtly. He cited recent incidents in Europe, like the burning of synagogues, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and violent attacks targeting Jews to highlight the rise of global anti-Semitism."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-rise-global-anti-semitism

Anti-Semitism Rising Even in Countries with No Jews at All, Secretary-General Tells Event on Power of Education to Counter Racism, Discrimination
https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sgsm19252.doc.htm

Yup.

It’s also one of the most widespread forms of hatred today. According to the ADL, 1.09 billion people harbor anti-Semitic viewpoints. Not in 1945 — today.

And that’s despite there only being about 15-18 million Jews in the world.

https://global100.adl.org/map

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Oy.

Are you a joke?? Do you honestly mean to describe GEONOCIDE as "although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe." How (truly) ignorant you are and you seriously need to learn more about the Holocaust as well as anti-Semitism centuries and centuries before that. Get yourself educated, please!

"Reich began by explaining that anti-Semitism is often considered the world’s longest form of hatred; it has existed for over two millennia. He discussed how anti-Semitism was avoided in public during the decades following the Holocaust, but it still remained prominent in private. Recently, anti-Semitism is being expressed more overtly. He cited recent incidents in Europe, like the burning of synagogues, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and violent attacks targeting Jews to highlight the rise of global anti-Semitism."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-rise-global-anti-semitism

Anti-Semitism Rising Even in Countries with No Jews at All, Secretary-General Tells Event on Power of Education to Counter Racism, Discrimination
https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sgsm19252.doc.htm

Yup.

It’s also one of the most widespread forms of hatred today. According to the ADL, 1.09 billion people harbor anti-Semitic viewpoints. Not in 1945 — today.

And that’s despite there only being about 15-18 million Jews in the world.

https://global100.adl.org/map

+2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So you really think that most people who live in areas without large Jewish populations can immediately tell the difference between a yarmulke and the types of head coverings worn by some Muslim men? Or glance at a group of people and know that they are Orthodox or Ultra Orthodox Jews and not, say, Amish?

I grew up on a farm in Indiana. In my community, Catholics were the minorities. I didn't (knowingly) meet a Jewish person until I was in college - which is when I had my first bagel. Yes, most people in my homogenous are could distinguish between a Jewish man's yarmulke and the head coverings worn by some Muslim men. Of course, there are some people who are willfully ignorant - but that's true about many, many things. The example a PP wrote about regarding an idiot who was worried about an observant Jewish man praying? That's just willful ignorance.

OTOH, most people (including myself in this moment) could not distinguish between an Orthodox Jew and Ultra Orthodox. If the Jewish man were wearing a suit standing next to a Polish guy wearing a suit, it would be unlikely we would be able to determine who was Catholic and who was Jewish. We would assume both were Catholic. We would, with 100% certainty, be able to identify an Amish person and distinguish an Amish person from a Dunkard. After some interaction, we'd be able to distinguish an Amish person from a Mennonite.

Thank you for giving such a detailed, personal response to my questions. I’m learning a lot here, today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Oy.

Are you a joke?? Do you honestly mean to describe GEONOCIDE as "although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe." How (truly) ignorant you are and you seriously need to learn more about the Holocaust as well as anti-Semitism centuries and centuries before that. Get yourself educated, please!

"Reich began by explaining that anti-Semitism is often considered the world’s longest form of hatred; it has existed for over two millennia. He discussed how anti-Semitism was avoided in public during the decades following the Holocaust, but it still remained prominent in private. Recently, anti-Semitism is being expressed more overtly. He cited recent incidents in Europe, like the burning of synagogues, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and violent attacks targeting Jews to highlight the rise of global anti-Semitism."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-rise-global-anti-semitism

Anti-Semitism Rising Even in Countries with No Jews at All, Secretary-General Tells Event on Power of Education to Counter Racism, Discrimination
https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sgsm19252.doc.htm

Yup.

It’s also one of the most widespread forms of hatred today. According to the ADL, 1.09 billion people harbor anti-Semitic viewpoints. Not in 1945 — today.

And that’s despite there only being about 15-18 million Jews in the world.

https://global100.adl.org/map

NP. So here’s an honest question to Jewish people here. I’m not anti-Semitic and I highly respect Jewish people, Judaism, the culture, and the history (I know it’s not a monolith). But in your opinion, why is there such consistent hatred toward Jewish people? Is there one common thread running through it all? I don’t want to cause an argument either because I suppose you each have different thoughts on the subject. Why is it Jewish people that have endured such vitriol through the centuries? I ask myself this and while I have thoughts (the way Christianity and Islam were/are framed, being a visible minority and when times are tough the majority direct their ire toward them, etc.), my viewpoint is as an outside observer. I also really hope the trolls stay away (maybe too much to wish for on DCUM on a Friday night). Thanks for any replies and if there are none I respect that as well because it’s a deep, personal topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Oy.

Are you a joke?? Do you honestly mean to describe GEONOCIDE as "although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe." How (truly) ignorant you are and you seriously need to learn more about the Holocaust as well as anti-Semitism centuries and centuries before that. Get yourself educated, please!

"Reich began by explaining that anti-Semitism is often considered the world’s longest form of hatred; it has existed for over two millennia. He discussed how anti-Semitism was avoided in public during the decades following the Holocaust, but it still remained prominent in private. Recently, anti-Semitism is being expressed more overtly. He cited recent incidents in Europe, like the burning of synagogues, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and violent attacks targeting Jews to highlight the rise of global anti-Semitism."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-rise-global-anti-semitism

Anti-Semitism Rising Even in Countries with No Jews at All, Secretary-General Tells Event on Power of Education to Counter Racism, Discrimination
https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sgsm19252.doc.htm

Yup.

It’s also one of the most widespread forms of hatred today. According to the ADL, 1.09 billion people harbor anti-Semitic viewpoints. Not in 1945 — today.

And that’s despite there only being about 15-18 million Jews in the world.

https://global100.adl.org/map

NP. So here’s an honest question to Jewish people here. I’m not anti-Semitic and I highly respect Jewish people, Judaism, the culture, and the history (I know it’s not a monolith). But in your opinion, why is there such consistent hatred toward Jewish people? Is there one common thread running through it all? I don’t want to cause an argument either because I suppose you each have different thoughts on the subject. Why is it Jewish people that have endured such vitriol through the centuries? I ask myself this and while I have thoughts (the way Christianity and Islam were/are framed, being a visible minority and when times are tough the majority direct their ire toward them, etc.), my viewpoint is as an outside observer. I also really hope the trolls stay away (maybe too much to wish for on DCUM on a Friday night). Thanks for any replies and if there are none I respect that as well because it’s a deep, personal topic.

PP here. It’s a legitimate question and I really don’t know.

I think fundamentally Christianity has been framed in terms of those who don’t accept Jesus as going to hell. The Catholic Church’s position, until Vatican II, was that the Jews were responsible for Jesus’s death. That didn’t help us much.

Then you had the fact that we were forced to live in particular parts of cities (we were in the original ghettos — “ghetto” is an Italian word that refers to the walled-off part of Venice we were forced to live in). So we were separated from everyone else, which caused more suspicion, especially when our isolation and Kosher practices led us to die less from the Bubonic Plague than the non-Jews. That led us to be blamed for it. Pretty ironic.

Then you have the fact that, despite being a small group of people, we are overrepresented in universities and do tend to do relatively well for ourselves. I think a lot of people don’t understand how that could be, so they assume it’s something nefarious. The whole “wily Jewish banker” thing came out of the fact that, since Christians weren’t allowed to charge interest for loans, banking fell to us. That led people to start to associate us with finances and greed, when in reality banking was one of the few professions we were allowed to do.

I don’t know how coherent this all is. I couldn’t really tell you why anti-Semitism has persisted so strongly for thousands of years. Frankly I think most Jews have accepted it as just something totally inevitable. It’s really sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"'model minorities' with positive stereotypes associated with them by the dominant white Christian culture."

Really? Did you have any elderly relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms? Imagine telling them the "dominant white Christian culture" had a positive view of them.

Interesting how the Jewish experience is often diminished and cannot be recognized specifically because it's somehow not worthy enough for the "Olympics of oppression."

Same with indigenous populations.

PP from Indiana here - the one who'd never (knowingly) met a Jewish person until college. (Never knowingly met a gay person until then either now that I think of it although at least 2 of my classmates have come out as gay since then, but I digress.

Jewish people were very much seen as 'model minorities' where I grew up. Although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe, Jewish people were seen as overcoming adversity, clever, educated, successful and cultured. People in my community were/are big supporters of Israel - Israel is tough, scrappy and admirable. Jews were/are the antithesis of Arabs and Blacks. No one would think twice about Jews moving into the community (what a great opportunity to help them accept Jesus as their savior) but Blacks.....well, the 'dominant white Christian culture' of my community didn't see Blacks as 'model minorities'.

Oy.

Are you a joke?? Do you honestly mean to describe GEONOCIDE as "although horrible things were done to Jewish people in Europe." How (truly) ignorant you are and you seriously need to learn more about the Holocaust as well as anti-Semitism centuries and centuries before that. Get yourself educated, please!

"Reich began by explaining that anti-Semitism is often considered the world’s longest form of hatred; it has existed for over two millennia. He discussed how anti-Semitism was avoided in public during the decades following the Holocaust, but it still remained prominent in private. Recently, anti-Semitism is being expressed more overtly. He cited recent incidents in Europe, like the burning of synagogues, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, and violent attacks targeting Jews to highlight the rise of global anti-Semitism."
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/the-rise-global-anti-semitism

Anti-Semitism Rising Even in Countries with No Jews at All, Secretary-General Tells Event on Power of Education to Counter Racism, Discrimination
https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sgsm19252.doc.htm

Yup.

It’s also one of the most widespread forms of hatred today. According to the ADL, 1.09 billion people harbor anti-Semitic viewpoints. Not in 1945 — today.

And that’s despite there only being about 15-18 million Jews in the world.

https://global100.adl.org/map

NP. So here’s an honest question to Jewish people here. I’m not anti-Semitic and I highly respect Jewish people, Judaism, the culture, and the history (I know it’s not a monolith). But in your opinion, why is there such consistent hatred toward Jewish people? Is there one common thread running through it all? I don’t want to cause an argument either because I suppose you each have different thoughts on the subject. Why is it Jewish people that have endured such vitriol through the centuries? I ask myself this and while I have thoughts (the way Christianity and Islam were/are framed, being a visible minority and when times are tough the majority direct their ire toward them, etc.), my viewpoint is as an outside observer. I also really hope the trolls stay away (maybe too much to wish for on DCUM on a Friday night). Thanks for any replies and if there are none I respect that as well because it’s a deep, personal topic.

PP here. It’s a legitimate question and I really don’t know.

I think fundamentally Christianity has been framed in terms of those who don’t accept Jesus as going to hell. The Catholic Church’s position, until Vatican II, was that the Jews were responsible for Jesus’s death. That didn’t help us much.

Then you had the fact that we were forced to live in particular parts of cities (we were in the original ghettos — “ghetto” is an Italian word that refers to the walled-off part of Venice we were forced to live in). So we were separated from everyone else, which caused more suspicion, especially when our isolation and Kosher practices led us to die less from the Bubonic Plague than the non-Jews. That led us to be blamed for it. Pretty ironic.

Then you have the fact that, despite being a small group of people, we are overrepresented in universities and do tend to do relatively well for ourselves. I think a lot of people don’t understand how that could be, so they assume it’s something nefarious. The whole “wily Jewish banker” thing came out of the fact that, since Christians weren’t allowed to charge interest for loans, banking fell to us. That led people to start to associate us with finances and greed, when in reality banking was one of the few professions we were allowed to do.

I don’t know how coherent this all is. I couldn’t really tell you why anti-Semitism has persisted so strongly for thousands of years. Frankly I think most Jews have accepted it as just something totally inevitable. It’s really sad.

Thank you. It makes me entirely sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews are 2% of the population and comprise 20-25% of the student population at every top college.....I’m not sure there is a meaningful inclusion or diversity issue here.

You are very narrow minded.

But nonetheless correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews are 2% of the population and comprise 20-25% of the student population at every top college.....I’m not sure there is a meaningful inclusion or diversity issue here.

You are very narrow minded.

But nonetheless correct.

Yes because as we know, if someone is well-educated, it means they can’t face any problems whatsoever.

Oh wait — a big part of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is actually about why Jews are supposedly controlling everything and always so successful. It’s one of the reasons why the Charlottesville assholes chanted “Jews will not replace us.”

You get that, don’t you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews are 2% of the population and comprise 20-25% of the student population at every top college.....I’m not sure there is a meaningful inclusion or diversity issue here.

You are very narrow minded.

But nonetheless correct.

So does that mean Asians don’t have to worry, either?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

Black and Asian people haven't gotten good at hiding their black and Asian identies. Got it

[Anonymous]

I don’t know what OP is complaining about. My neighbor is Arab and I’m pretty sure he’s faced more racism from every demographic in this country and it’s pretty much accepted because of 9/11.
No one ever says oh don’t attack the Muslim or Arab communities in this country. There aren’t many of them but they’ve gotten very used to it.
I don’t sense the same antisemitism. It’s a big deal and both parties in Congress voice their opposition to it all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know what OP is complaining about. My neighbor is Arab and I’m pretty sure he’s faced more racism from every demographic in this country and it’s pretty much accepted because of 9/11.
No one ever says oh don’t attack the Muslim or Arab communities in this country. There aren’t many of them but they’ve gotten very used to it.
I don’t sense the same antisemitism. It’s a big deal and both parties in Congress voice their opposition to it all the time.

Are you kidding?

There’s anti-semitism in both parties, including among members of Congress. Wake up.