Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:Despite how offsetting this troll poster may be, I'm trying to keep a level head about this.

The way that I see it US Jews are both the beneficiaries and victims of their own success in this country (and worldwide). At only 2% of the population, they are overrepresented in nearly every sphere and had made themselves a political, professional and economic force to be reckoned with. That same success has made them very visible scapegoats for certain groups and only added fuel to antisemetic tropes regarding Jews that we hear so much.

While Jews are largely white and may seemingly rub shoulder to shoulder with the privileged sect they still do not enjoy the same levels of security that Anglo whites do. Jewish Americans worry about their safety and security at their places of worship. They are scared to send their kids to schools. And they live in constant fear that their history will repeat itself. All valid fears.

If history has taught us anything, though, it is that the masses do not rally behind those who are perceived as wealthy and privileged.

So Jewish Americans are in a difficult spot. They are not economically or educationally disadvantaged like other ethnic groups but do fear persecution. The "ask" for Jews is much harder in that there are no concrete educational funds to donate to, groups to create scholarships or hiring programs, jobs training, etc. For Jews, the request is only that people don't terrorize them. While a simple one, it's a difficult conversation because they're not asking for donations or volunteers - just education.

All that said, for other minorities it is hard to swallow the line about being the "most persecuted minority" - particularly when your group is suffering so much now. I mean, when your family members are unemployed, shot, lacking education, or in need of health care, you don't care about what happened to another group 100 or more years ago. You care about today.

I don't know what the answer is. I do know that Jews are the most philanthropic group in America today. I think I saw that 67% of Jews donate actively to non-profits. What that tells me is that most US Jews are quite aware of the suffering of others and do actively contribute to other causes. Just putting that out there in case anything on this board would lead anyone to believe otherwise.


I think that one answer is that it has to go beyond the philanthropic to embrace and build more personal interactions and connections. Those connections would, I hope, not only solidify our common humanity, but do so while building mutual understanding.

I’m not sure how to put this, so I apologize if I inadvertently say anything offensive. I grew up in a segregated city. While I was exposed to “Jews” in the Bible, and occasionally to “white” people in the wider world and on tv, my personal, lived experience did not include any actual interactions that would make people in either or both of those categories feel real and meaningful in my life. I was lucky enough to have a genuinely diverse HS experience, and had close friends from a variety of backgrounds. It was only much later that I realized that many of my white friends were also Jewish.

When I lived in NYC, I had Jewish classmates and teachers and supervisors and neighbors, and many, many conversations about religion and psychology and philosophy and social issues. I attended a Sedar, I had roommates who were Israeli and roommates who were Jews who described themselves as non-religious. So my knowledge and my understanding began to grow. But with that growth also came confusions. How should I understand “Jewish-ness” that included both the supervisors that mentored me with great personal warmth, and the Ultra-Orthodox men who visibly flinched from me, avoiding even the possibility of minimal contact, and the classmate who refused to eat with me — without ever saying why? And what, if anything, did any of this have to do with those books by Chaim Potok that I read when I was 12?

This is a long way of saying that in order for me to even want to be an ally I, personally, needed relationships, and relationships with people who were able to be open, to listen, and to teach. I also think that most of the people that I know have never had these inter-racial, inter-faith, multi-cultural interactions that lead to the kinds of real life understandings that make ally-ship a meaningful priority.

I recently saw a picture from the 1960s. The then minister of the church that I grew up in was attending a Sedar. It was an optimistic, inter-racial, inter-faith effort to begin to break down barriers and build meaningful bonds. I have no idea if these efforts were successful or even what “successful “ might have meant to them, but that feels like a great place to begin. As communities and as individuals, we need to talk, we need to share, we need to communicate. Breaking bread together would be a good place to start, and a way to grow beyond the much-welcomed philanthropic efforts to mutually beneficial relationships and connections.

I don’t think this would be without it’s hazards, and people would need to be committed to explaining the “obvious” to each other in good faith.
It would be great if a DCUM thread could become one of many small steps forward.


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Anonymous wrote:This thread is unbelievable and shows that anti-semitism is alive and well.


This thread is largely not antisemitic. In the aftermath of a horrific attack against Asians, it is not the time to discuss aggressions against Jews. The equivalent would have been for Asians to want to shift the National conversation towards anti-Asian racism abd problems being the model minority immediately after the Tree of Life massacre. When people are getting murdered because of their race, the decent human reaction is to show support — not ask, “what about me? There was graffiti at my synagogue a few months ago, why is nobody writing about that in the days after 8 Asian women are murdered? Don’t I matter?”

In short, if you want allies, try being an ally too.





When is the right time?


Last week?

Maybe in a month or so?

Do you really need this spelled out for you?



We’ve been fighting in lock step with BLM since 2015, consistent with our decades-long support for the civil rights movement. We’ve been fighting for undocumented immigrants for decades. We came out in strong support for fighting anti-Asian hate.

We’re simply asking that at some point, amid the years of rising anti-Semitism in this country, that folks show us a bit of allyship.

That’s all.



And again I ask BLM has given actionable steps, what are your actionable steps?



Read and learn: https://www.adl.org/


Not seeing anything specific that relates to antisemitism. You'll have to be more specific.

What is it are you looking for? To be told your struggles are the same as BLack, brown and asian people in this country? Do you want specific legislation protecting Jewish people from discrimination?


Being part of the conversation would be a start. Not ignoring antisemitism in discussions about DEI would be a start.


Also, to be clear: I am not saying we need to be the focus *right now.* Its the fact we’re *rarely* included in the conversation.


But yet you maid an entire thread complaining of that very thing.


Go reread the OP. No where does it say that. It’s commenting that the same attention being paid, appropriately, to the Asian American community would not be paid to the Jewish community.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is unbelievable and shows that anti-semitism is alive and well.


This thread is largely not antisemitic. In the aftermath of a horrific attack against Asians, it is not the time to discuss aggressions against Jews. The equivalent would have been for Asians to want to shift the National conversation towards anti-Asian racism abd problems being the model minority immediately after the Tree of Life massacre. When people are getting murdered because of their race, the decent human reaction is to show support — not ask, “what about me? There was graffiti at my synagogue a few months ago, why is nobody writing about that in the days after 8 Asian women are murdered? Don’t I matter?”

In short, if you want allies, try being an ally too.





When is the right time?


Last week?

Maybe in a month or so?

Do you really need this spelled out for you?



We’ve been fighting in lock step with BLM since 2015, consistent with our decades-long support for the civil rights movement. We’ve been fighting for undocumented immigrants for decades. We came out in strong support for fighting anti-Asian hate.

We’re simply asking that at some point, amid the years of rising anti-Semitism in this country, that folks show us a bit of allyship.

That’s all.



And again I ask BLM has given actionable steps, what are your actionable steps?



Read and learn: https://www.adl.org/


Not seeing anything specific that relates to antisemitism. You'll have to be more specific.

What is it are you looking for? To be told your struggles are the same as BLack, brown and asian people in this country? Do you want specific legislation protecting Jewish people from discrimination?


Being part of the conversation would be a start. Not ignoring antisemitism in discussions about DEI would be a start.


Also, to be clear: I am not saying we need to be the focus *right now.* Its the fact we’re *rarely* included in the conversation.


But yet you maid an entire thread complaining of that very thing.


Go reread the OP. No where does it say that. It’s commenting that the same attention being paid, appropriately, to the Asian American community would not be paid to the Jewish community.


Which simply isn't true. There was a national outcry when Tree of Life happened. And related to that do you think it would have been appropriate during that response for someone to make a thread saying, nobody responds like this when Asians are attacked?
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This might sound sort of ridiculous to some of the Jewish folks here, but I sometimes what’s Shabbat services from Central Synagogue. I’m not Jewish, but like JBS because it broadcasts some really good shows, higher on the intellectual scale than most of the junk on television, and Central Synagogue’s service is spiritually refreshing to me in a way. Anyway, the Synagogue’s Chief Rabbi (if this isn’t the correct term, I apologize) is Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who of course is not only Jewish, but also a Korean American. She had relayed a unique perspective at the Shabbat service last Friday during her sermon (again not sure if this is the correct term, so if not I apologize) on not only being Jewish but Asian as well. Anyway, I thought I’d contribute this.
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Anonymous wrote:This might sound sort of ridiculous to some of the Jewish folks here, but I sometimes what’s Shabbat services from Central Synagogue. I’m not Jewish, but like JBS because it broadcasts some really good shows, higher on the intellectual scale than most of the junk on television, and Central Synagogue’s service is spiritually refreshing to me in a way. Anyway, the Synagogue’s Chief Rabbi (if this isn’t the correct term, I apologize) is Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who of course is not only Jewish, but also a Korean American. She had relayed a unique perspective at the Shabbat service last Friday during her sermon (again not sure if this is the correct term, so if not I apologize) on not only being Jewish but Asian as well. Anyway, I thought I’d contribute this.


That’s awesome!

- A Jew who also happens to be part-Asian
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Anonymous wrote:This might sound sort of ridiculous to some of the Jewish folks here, but I sometimes what’s Shabbat services from Central Synagogue. I’m not Jewish, but like JBS because it broadcasts some really good shows, higher on the intellectual scale than most of the junk on television, and Central Synagogue’s service is spiritually refreshing to me in a way. Anyway, the Synagogue’s Chief Rabbi (if this isn’t the correct term, I apologize) is Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who of course is not only Jewish, but also a Korean American. She had relayed a unique perspective at the Shabbat service last Friday during her sermon (again not sure if this is the correct term, so if not I apologize) on not only being Jewish but Asian as well. Anyway, I thought I’d contribute this.


That’s awesome!

- A Jew who also happens to be part-Asian



There’s also a great organization that provides education, outreach, and activities for Jews of all colors. https://globaljews.org/
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Anonymous wrote:This might sound sort of ridiculous to some of the Jewish folks here, but I sometimes what’s Shabbat services from Central Synagogue. I’m not Jewish, but like JBS because it broadcasts some really good shows, higher on the intellectual scale than most of the junk on television, and Central Synagogue’s service is spiritually refreshing to me in a way. Anyway, the Synagogue’s Chief Rabbi (if this isn’t the correct term, I apologize) is Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who of course is not only Jewish, but also a Korean American. She had relayed a unique perspective at the Shabbat service last Friday during her sermon (again not sure if this is the correct term, so if not I apologize) on not only being Jewish but Asian as well. Anyway, I thought I’d contribute this.


That’s awesome!

- A Jew who also happens to be part-Asian



There’s also a great organization that provides education, outreach, and activities for Jews of all colors. https://globaljews.org/


Thank you! I didn’t know about this org. Very important, as something like 90% of Jews are Ashkenazi or Sephardic. Very important for us to be inclusive to those who are not.
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This is a very interesting article about anti-Semitism on college campuses.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/02/02/anti-semitism-major-problem-campuses-and-students-must-be-educated-about-it-opinion

It talks in part about surveys around what 18-29 year olds know and don’t know about anti-Semitism. Critically, it seems most college students do not use Jews’ perspectives on what is anti-Semitic to guide them as to what is indeed anti-Semitic:

Our survey asked this question: “If a Jewish person or organization considered a statement or idea to be anti-Semitic, would that make you more likely to consider it anti-Semitic, less likely, or would it make no difference to you?” About two-thirds, or 64 percent, of people aged 18 to 29 said it would make no difference to them if a Jewish person told them something was anti-Semitic. Another 21 percent said that such protestation from Jews would make them less likely to consider something anti-Semitic. To fight anti-Semitism as seriously as we confront any other bigotry, we must normalize believing Jews.

It also says that 41% of American Jews aged 18-29 had been a victim of an anti-Semitic remark or attack.
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Anonymous wrote:This might sound sort of ridiculous to some of the Jewish folks here, but I sometimes what’s Shabbat services from Central Synagogue. I’m not Jewish, but like JBS because it broadcasts some really good shows, higher on the intellectual scale than most of the junk on television, and Central Synagogue’s service is spiritually refreshing to me in a way. Anyway, the Synagogue’s Chief Rabbi (if this isn’t the correct term, I apologize) is Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who of course is not only Jewish, but also a Korean American. She had relayed a unique perspective at the Shabbat service last Friday during her sermon (again not sure if this is the correct term, so if not I apologize) on not only being Jewish but Asian as well. Anyway, I thought I’d contribute this.


That’s awesome!

- A Jew who also happens to be part-Asian



There’s also a great organization that provides education, outreach, and activities for Jews of all colors. https://globaljews.org/


Thank you! I didn’t know about this org. Very important, as something like 90% of Jews are Ashkenazi or Sephardic. Very important for us to be inclusive to those who are not.


Glad to share. Also, my understanding is that American Jews are overwhelmingly “white” but that’s not true globally, including in Israel, where ashkeniazi Jews are a minority.
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Anonymous wrote:This is a very interesting article about anti-Semitism on college campuses.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/02/02/anti-semitism-major-problem-campuses-and-students-must-be-educated-about-it-opinion

It talks in part about surveys around what 18-29 year olds know and don’t know about anti-Semitism. Critically, it seems most college students do not use Jews’ perspectives on what is anti-Semitic to guide them as to what is indeed anti-Semitic:

Our survey asked this question: “If a Jewish person or organization considered a statement or idea to be anti-Semitic, would that make you more likely to consider it anti-Semitic, less likely, or would it make no difference to you?” About two-thirds, or 64 percent, of people aged 18 to 29 said it would make no difference to them if a Jewish person told them something was anti-Semitic. Another 21 percent said that such protestation from Jews would make them less likely to consider something anti-Semitic. To fight anti-Semitism as seriously as we confront any other bigotry, we must normalize believing Jews.

It also says that 41% of American Jews aged 18-29 had been a victim of an anti-Semitic remark or attack.

Thanks for posting this. As someone that is not Jewish, those survey results, while horrific, are not surprising. Just last Summer we had Nick Cannon spewing Antisemitic statements, defending his statements as true and only apologizing when realizing the financial losses he would take. And just two weeks (or so) we have the NBA player, playing a video game, screaming Jewish slurs. And again claiming to not know what he had done and is now deeply sorry.

Your article also links to the Holocaust Remembrance site where they have drafted a working definition of Antisemitism. I have not seen the definition laid out in such a way before. Sharing for others: https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism
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Anonymous wrote:This might sound sort of ridiculous to some of the Jewish folks here, but I sometimes what’s Shabbat services from Central Synagogue. I’m not Jewish, but like JBS because it broadcasts some really good shows, higher on the intellectual scale than most of the junk on television, and Central Synagogue’s service is spiritually refreshing to me in a way. Anyway, the Synagogue’s Chief Rabbi (if this isn’t the correct term, I apologize) is Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who of course is not only Jewish, but also a Korean American. She had relayed a unique perspective at the Shabbat service last Friday during her sermon (again not sure if this is the correct term, so if not I apologize) on not only being Jewish but Asian as well. Anyway, I thought I’d contribute this.


That’s awesome!

- A Jew who also happens to be part-Asian



There’s also a great organization that provides education, outreach, and activities for Jews of all colors. https://globaljews.org/


Thank you! I didn’t know about this org. Very important, as something like 90% of Jews are Ashkenazi or Sephardic. Very important for us to be inclusive to those who are not.


Glad to share. Also, my understanding is that American Jews are overwhelmingly “white” but that’s not true globally, including in Israel, where ashkeniazi Jews are a minority.


Well, Ashkenazi Jews were the ones who originally settled Israel back in the 1940s and they remained the majority in Israel for a long time. That’s important to point out up front.

You’re right that, at this point, about 60% of Jews in Israel are partially or fully Mizrahi (I think that’s what you were referring to). Mizrahi Jews traditionally came from the Middle East and Central Asia.

However, despite that, out of the roughly 15-18 million Jews in the world today, roughly 70-80% of us are Ashkenazi. That’s worldwide, not just in the USA.

So Jews remain pretty homogeneous — the vast, vast majority of Jews are Ashkenazi, Sephardic, or Mizrahi. But we must ensure that we are inclusive for those who are not.
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Someone earlier in this thread asked for what Jews are concretely asking for. I’m happy to report that the ADL, at the conclusion of their summary of their survey on attitudes towards Jews in the USA, has produced policy recommendations. Many of these actions would help minority groups at large. The ADL calls on Congress to pass the following:

1. Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act (H.R. 5602/S. 3190) to enhance federal efforts to prevent domestic terrorism by requiring federal law enforcement agencies to regularly assess threats and to provide training and resources to assist state, local, and tribal law enforcement efforts;

2. National Opposition to Hate, Assault, and Threats to Equality (“NO HATE”) Act (H.R. 3545/S. 2043) to incentivize hate crime reporting, grants for state-run hate crime hotlines and additional sentencing options for individuals convicted under the federal Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act;

3. Never Again Education Act (H.R. 943/S.2085) to establish a fund to provide teachers the resources necessary to teach the important lessons of the Holocaust;

4. Stop Hateful and Abusive Telecommunications Expression (“Stop HATE”) Act (H.R. 1934/S.917) to direct the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information to prepare and submit periodic reports to Congress on the role of telecommunications in hate crimes;

5. Special Envoy to Combat and Monitor Anti-Semitism Act (H.R. 221/S. 238) which would elevate and strengthen the role of the State Department’s Anti-Semitism Envoy;

6. Legislation to hold perpetrators of online hate accountable, along the lines of the Online Safety Modernization Act introduced in the 115th Congress;

7. Fully fund the non-profit security grants to protect at-risk institutions and meet the needs of all faith groups and their places of worship, schools, and community centers;

8. Fund federal programs that support hate crimes investigations and prosecutions by state, local and tribal law enforcement officials; and

9. Increased funding for inclusive school anti-bias education, civics education, and bullying prevention programs.

https://www.adl.org/survey-of-american-attitudes-toward-jews#policy-recommendations
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Anonymous wrote:This is a very interesting article about anti-Semitism on college campuses.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/02/02/anti-semitism-major-problem-campuses-and-students-must-be-educated-about-it-opinion

It talks in part about surveys around what 18-29 year olds know and don’t know about anti-Semitism. Critically, it seems most college students do not use Jews’ perspectives on what is anti-Semitic to guide them as to what is indeed anti-Semitic:

Our survey asked this question: “If a Jewish person or organization considered a statement or idea to be anti-Semitic, would that make you more likely to consider it anti-Semitic, less likely, or would it make no difference to you?” About two-thirds, or 64 percent, of people aged 18 to 29 said it would make no difference to them if a Jewish person told them something was anti-Semitic. Another 21 percent said that such protestation from Jews would make them less likely to consider something anti-Semitic. To fight anti-Semitism as seriously as we confront any other bigotry, we must normalize believing Jews.

It also says that 41% of American Jews aged 18-29 had been a victim of an anti-Semitic remark or attack.


Thank you for posting this. I’m still having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that 21 percent of those surveyed would be LESS likely to consider something as being anti-Semitic if they were told by a Jewish person or organization that it was, indeed, considered to be anti-Semitic.

I’ll add though, that the article is wrong about the “respect “ accorded to a Black person who deems something to be “racist “. Reading through some of the DCUM threads suggest that at least some of the time, this is very much not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very interesting article about anti-Semitism on college campuses.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/02/02/anti-semitism-major-problem-campuses-and-students-must-be-educated-about-it-opinion

It talks in part about surveys around what 18-29 year olds know and don’t know about anti-Semitism. Critically, it seems most college students do not use Jews’ perspectives on what is anti-Semitic to guide them as to what is indeed anti-Semitic:

Our survey asked this question: “If a Jewish person or organization considered a statement or idea to be anti-Semitic, would that make you more likely to consider it anti-Semitic, less likely, or would it make no difference to you?” About two-thirds, or 64 percent, of people aged 18 to 29 said it would make no difference to them if a Jewish person told them something was anti-Semitic. Another 21 percent said that such protestation from Jews would make them less likely to consider something anti-Semitic. To fight anti-Semitism as seriously as we confront any other bigotry, we must normalize believing Jews.

It also says that 41% of American Jews aged 18-29 had been a victim of an anti-Semitic remark or attack.


Thank you for posting this. I’m still having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that 21 percent of those surveyed would be LESS likely to consider something as being anti-Semitic if they were told by a Jewish person or organization that it was, indeed, considered to be anti-Semitic.

I’ll add though, that the article is wrong about the “respect “ accorded to a Black person who deems something to be “racist “. Reading through some of the DCUM threads suggest that at least some of the time, this is very much not the case.



You’re welcome. I’m trying to post resources on this thread, to try to ground it a little.

I agree with the bolded.
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Anonymous wrote:This is a very interesting article about anti-Semitism on college campuses.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/02/02/anti-semitism-major-problem-campuses-and-students-must-be-educated-about-it-opinion

It talks in part about surveys around what 18-29 year olds know and don’t know about anti-Semitism. Critically, it seems most college students do not use Jews’ perspectives on what is anti-Semitic to guide them as to what is indeed anti-Semitic:

Our survey asked this question: “If a Jewish person or organization considered a statement or idea to be anti-Semitic, would that make you more likely to consider it anti-Semitic, less likely, or would it make no difference to you?” About two-thirds, or 64 percent, of people aged 18 to 29 said it would make no difference to them if a Jewish person told them something was anti-Semitic. Another 21 percent said that such protestation from Jews would make them less likely to consider something anti-Semitic. To fight anti-Semitism as seriously as we confront any other bigotry, we must normalize believing Jews.

It also says that 41% of American Jews aged 18-29 had been a victim of an anti-Semitic remark or attack.


Thank you for posting this. I’m still having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that 21 percent of those surveyed would be LESS likely to consider something as being anti-Semitic if they were told by a Jewish person or organization that it was, indeed, considered to be anti-Semitic.

I’ll add though, that the article is wrong about the “respect “ accorded to a Black person who deems something to be “racist “. Reading through some of the DCUM threads suggest that at least some of the time, this is very much not the case.



If you read this thread from the beginning, you might understand the survey results.
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