Be careful: The same people who are weaponizing school opening are also blocking safe opening

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants schools back in session. Safely. If you can’t do it safely - either due to lack of funds or lack of willpower - the teachers will not come back.

Here’s what you need:
1. 100% masking
2. Social distancing - 6 feet radius. This means you to reduce class sizes and setup new physical spaces.
3. Ventilation - fresh air in every room, plus enhanced circulation
4. Hand washing & disinfecting
5. Vaccines for teachers

Do this and you can open schools. Cant do this? You’ll be in distance learning until your kids are vaccinated.

If you’re pushing against these safety measure or won’t fund them, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

It’s really that simple.

Actually it’s not. States that have full time regular old school are doing just as well as hysterical jurisdictions covid-wise. See FL vs CA. NPR did a whole story about it.

Can confirm. My elementary schooler has been back full time since Oct (public school). It is mostly normal school with masks. Some additional distancing measures (particularly at pickup, drop off, hall management etc- main objective is to avoid mixing of classroom cohorts). No 6ft radius in the classroom. Increased use of sanitizer and hand washing yes. No special ventilation. All teachers who want vax have now received first dose but obviously that is recent.

400 kids back in person since October, 4 cases total (all unrelated- not even in same class) and we are in an area of high community spread.

And yet teachers & some parents are acting like they are marching into a death sentence.

Because this person's supposed personal experience is not universal. My siblings' kids are in full-time F2F (not in the DMV) with masks and distancing "required" (but no discipline offered if not followed) and the high schools and middle schools on their district COVID dashboard routinely have 20-30+ cases at a time, and a significant percentage of those are teachers (yes, I know you people want to pretend that teachers are out clubbing and not getting at at school, but don't bother). There have been outbreaks on both the basketball and football teams of my nephew's school.

"Doesn't spread in school" is a convenient lie supported by editorials to support an agenda. It's nonsense.

But is it a death sentence? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There has been no transparency by the media - because schools opening is not what they are advocating.

Somewhere along the long schools being open has been construed as "racist" - especially in the DMV - as seen by the stats.

And - the tone of DCUM is that opening schools is for rich horrible white people only!! So - the media, which is intent on making literally everything about race - does not provide the facts - which is Covid is not a problem for schools.

It is insane. Punishing kids - by refusing to open up schools - so as to please a minority of people - is just unethical.

Look at the population screaming to reopen schools. Look at MCPS schools, for example and the race/income levels of those who choose to go back. It clearly shows a concern by parents in lower income, higher minority schools. Our school had 30% choose hybrid but who knows how many will actually return. COVID is a problem in schools. Students can transmit covid to each other and their families. Clearly you aren't a family impacted by covid. Consider yourself lucky as not all kids have been as blessed as yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants schools back in session. Safely. If you can’t do it safely - either due to lack of funds or lack of willpower - the teachers will not come back.

Here’s what you need:
1. 100% masking
2. Social distancing - 6 feet radius. This means you to reduce class sizes and setup new physical spaces.
3. Ventilation - fresh air in every room, plus enhanced circulation
4. Hand washing & disinfecting
5. Vaccines for teachers

Do this and you can open schools. Cant do this? You’ll be in distance learning until your kids are vaccinated.

If you’re pushing against these safety measure or won’t fund them, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

It’s really that simple.

Actually it’s not. States that have full time regular old school are doing just as well as hysterical jurisdictions covid-wise. See FL vs CA. NPR did a whole story about it.

Can confirm. My elementary schooler has been back full time since Oct (public school). It is mostly normal school with masks. Some additional distancing measures (particularly at pickup, drop off, hall management etc- main objective is to avoid mixing of classroom cohorts). No 6ft radius in the classroom. Increased use of sanitizer and hand washing yes. No special ventilation. All teachers who want vax have now received first dose but obviously that is recent.

400 kids back in person since October, 4 cases total (all unrelated- not even in same class) and we are in an area of high community spread.

And yet teachers & some parents are acting like they are marching into a death sentence.

Because this person's supposed personal experience is not universal. My siblings' kids are in full-time F2F (not in the DMV) with masks and distancing "required" (but no discipline offered if not followed) and the high schools and middle schools on their district COVID dashboard routinely have 20-30+ cases at a time, and a significant percentage of those are teachers (yes, I know you people want to pretend that teachers are out clubbing and not getting at at school, but don't bother). There have been outbreaks on both the basketball and football teams of my nephew's school.

"Doesn't spread in school" is a convenient lie supported by editorials to support an agenda. It's nonsense.

But is it a death sentence? No.

The issue so much isn't to the impact on kids physically but the fact they can spread it to kids who may have unknown medical issues or more importantly to their parents and others in the community.

[Anonymous]

Not true in young children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants schools back in session. Safely. If you can’t do it safely - either due to lack of funds or lack of willpower - the teachers will not come back.

Here’s what you need:
1. 100% masking
2. Social distancing - 6 feet radius. This means you to reduce class sizes and setup new physical spaces.
3. Ventilation - fresh air in every room, plus enhanced circulation
4. Hand washing & disinfecting
5. Vaccines for teachers

Do this and you can open schools. Cant do this? You’ll be in distance learning until your kids are vaccinated.

If you’re pushing against these safety measure or won’t fund them, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

It’s really that simple.

Actually it’s not. States that have full time regular old school are doing just as well as hysterical jurisdictions covid-wise. See FL vs CA. NPR did a whole story about it.

Can confirm. My elementary schooler has been back full time since Oct (public school). It is mostly normal school with masks. Some additional distancing measures (particularly at pickup, drop off, hall management etc- main objective is to avoid mixing of classroom cohorts). No 6ft radius in the classroom. Increased use of sanitizer and hand washing yes. No special ventilation. All teachers who want vax have now received first dose but obviously that is recent.

400 kids back in person since October, 4 cases total (all unrelated- not even in same class) and we are in an area of high community spread.

And yet teachers & some parents are acting like they are marching into a death sentence.

Because this person's supposed personal experience is not universal. My siblings' kids are in full-time F2F (not in the DMV) with masks and distancing "required" (but no discipline offered if not followed) and the high schools and middle schools on their district COVID dashboard routinely have 20-30+ cases at a time, and a significant percentage of those are teachers (yes, I know you people want to pretend that teachers are out clubbing and not getting at at school, but don't bother). There have been outbreaks on both the basketball and football teams of my nephew's school.

"Doesn't spread in school" is a convenient lie supported by editorials to support an agenda. It's nonsense.

But is it a death sentence? No.

500K dead Americans say “hold my beer”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The key is avoiding politicization.

What drives me a little crazy is that when I talk to parents in DCPS, they mostly want similar things. They're mostly reasonable. Most parents are keeping their kids home, and those who are sending them into school have a higher risk tolerance and support older or at-risk teachers staying home.

And both groups are very very happy teachers are being vaccinated. The people who are most pushing back against the WTU are, in my world, the media and in-person, hardcore political partisans.

We don't want that! We want this de-politicized. But if you want to depoliticize it, we have to understand first who is politicizing it, and why. Once I read these articles a lot more about school reopenings became clear to me.

it is politicized because of the blue states and their absolute disregard for children.



there is absolutely no reason schools should still be closed in blue states when its going fine in red ones. its insanity.

What is the source for this data?

Is this the % of total number of K-12 students by state that have zero days in the classroom?

Or is this % of school districts that only offer a virtual option?


The #s seem off....

Sorry if confusing, this is percent breakdown by state for all students nationwide that have zero classroom days.
Source is Burbio: https://about.burbio.com/methodology/

Here's a maybe better or more useful visualization within each state itself. Fulltime in person means 5 day a week.

Damn. That is really stark. It will be interesting to see comparisons of the results of large-scale assessments this year. Sadly, I don't anticipate we will measure up, but the data will probably lead to a good dissertation on a quasi-experimental intervention study on the connection between in-person hours and test scores.

NP and data scientist. I’ve been following this for months here and in the other countries I work with. There are a lot of similar data analysis and done with deeper data with more cuts on degree of hybrid etc. It’s maddening that it’s not reported more widely on how many schools have been open for months and the degree to which they have been opened.

I don’t want this political but transparency on facts widely And fully reported. Also schools have been opened in many countries with lesser guidelines than the US. That should be reported objectively And full data transparency not anecdotal stories or a point in time . Yes some schools in other countries close during extreme Community spread for a few weeks but they reopen and have been over for many more cumulative months . The damage done to a generation of kids - particularly the most vulnerable - is devastating.

Have you seen any data for the actual # of kids by state by DL/hybrid/IP? Something that would more accurately show the scale of the various options?

This one was a wonky weighted estimate based on school districts, not kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The key is avoiding politicization.

What drives me a little crazy is that when I talk to parents in DCPS, they mostly want similar things. They're mostly reasonable. Most parents are keeping their kids home, and those who are sending them into school have a higher risk tolerance and support older or at-risk teachers staying home.

And both groups are very very happy teachers are being vaccinated. The people who are most pushing back against the WTU are, in my world, the media and in-person, hardcore political partisans.

We don't want that! We want this de-politicized. But if you want to depoliticize it, we have to understand first who is politicizing it, and why. Once I read these articles a lot more about school reopenings became clear to me.

it is politicized because of the blue states and their absolute disregard for children.



there is absolutely no reason schools should still be closed in blue states when its going fine in red ones. its insanity.

What is the source for this data?

Is this the % of total number of K-12 students by state that have zero days in the classroom?

Or is this % of school districts that only offer a virtual option?


The #s seem off....

Sorry if confusing, this is percent breakdown by state for all students nationwide that have zero classroom days.
Source is Burbio: https://about.burbio.com/methodology/

Here's a maybe better or more useful visualization within each state itself. Fulltime in person means 5 day a week.

Damn. That is really stark. It will be interesting to see comparisons of the results of large-scale assessments this year. Sadly, I don't anticipate we will measure up, but the data will probably lead to a good dissertation on a quasi-experimental intervention study on the connection between in-person hours and test scores.

NP and data scientist. I’ve been following this for months here and in the other countries I work with. There are a lot of similar data analysis and done with deeper data with more cuts on degree of hybrid etc. It’s maddening that it’s not reported more widely on how many schools have been open for months and the degree to which they have been opened.

I don’t want this political but transparency on facts widely And fully reported. Also schools have been opened in many countries with lesser guidelines than the US. That should be reported objectively And full data transparency not anecdotal stories or a point in time . Yes some schools in other countries close during extreme Community spread for a few weeks but they reopen and have been over for many more cumulative months . The damage done to a generation of kids - particularly the most vulnerable - is devastating.

Have you seen any data for the actual # of kids by state by DL/hybrid/IP? Something that would more accurately show the scale of the various options?

This one was a wonky weighted estimate based on school districts, not kids.

https://cai.burbio.com/school-opening-tracker/

This is a good tracker / visualization at district level and updated frequently with largest 200 Districts reviewed every 72 hours. They do week on week comparisons and some data analysts outside their site report regularly if you want to do some basic time series analysis.
It’s not easy to do this as the data is not standardized with many different hybrid models And no Fed government reporting requirements. That said they put some basic parameters on it to try to standardize it.

[Anonymous]

So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Oh no. God forbid we try to use meaningful data to have a discussion.

I'm just hoping for a better data source to show the true scale of the number of kids in virtual/hybrid/IP. So far, nothing shared has done that. And nothing I've found has either.

If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean we can't seek it out. I'm not personally trying to "win" an argument - just get a true sense of scale.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the republicans have found a winner winner chicken dinner. I will vote for anyone who is pro-5 day a week school. Single issue voter now.

So you will vote for Rs who pushed the big lie the election was stolen from trump and helped incite an attack on the Capitol because someone says they will open schools 5 days a week? Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Oh, no. I’m on the side of opening. This was my hyperbolic version of what the people who want to keep everything closed are saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.