Be careful: The same people who are weaponizing school opening are also blocking safe opening

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Anonymous wrote:Just googling around:

Average entry-level pay in DC with a BA (everyone): $53,175 (https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Entry-Level-Bachelors-Degree-Salary-in-Washington,DC)

Average entry-level pay in DC with a BA (teacher): $56,313 (https://dcps.dc.gov/node/1057802)

The entry level pay isn’t the problem, it’s the pay in the middle of the scale. How much is that teacher making after 5 or 10 years? Because a fed will get grade increases every year until they Max out their job series grade, then they can either go supervisor or try to move into another position with a higher ceiling. The job series for my husband’s former position tops out at a 13 but most go into supervisor 14/15 jobs after that. The usual job series is 7-9-11-12 and a good employee will hit 9 and 11 after 1 year each. So at the beginning of their 3rd year as a fed they’d be making 72k.

What top college grads are looking for a government position or teacher position?

Until top students consider it a respected, well-paid profession, we are stuck with only a handful of passionate top students. The rest are the dregs.

Who on here actually dreams that their kid becomes a teacher?

I was a prior poster, and I said STATE government. Federal employees are paid better than state government employees.

I must have missed the post. I was referring back to this comment: "Teacher pay in this region aligns with the pay to other government employees with similar education."

Anyway, that's even worse. What top college grads are looking for a STATE government position? Zero.

Seriously. How much do you want teachers to be paid? More than all of the top State officials?

Why are we equating teachers to state officials? You want high quality people teaching your kids or what?

I think more people would want go into teaching if they were paid/respected like nurses.

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Anonymous wrote:Just googling around:

Average entry-level pay in DC with a BA (everyone): $53,175 (https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Entry-Level-Bachelors-Degree-Salary-in-Washington,DC)

Average entry-level pay in DC with a BA (teacher): $56,313 (https://dcps.dc.gov/node/1057802)

The entry level pay isn’t the problem, it’s the pay in the middle of the scale. How much is that teacher making after 5 or 10 years? Because a fed will get grade increases every year until they Max out their job series grade, then they can either go supervisor or try to move into another position with a higher ceiling. The job series for my husband’s former position tops out at a 13 but most go into supervisor 14/15 jobs after that. The usual job series is 7-9-11-12 and a good employee will hit 9 and 11 after 1 year each. So at the beginning of their 3rd year as a fed they’d be making 72k.

What top college grads are looking for a government position or teacher position?

Until top students consider it a respected, well-paid profession, we are stuck with only a handful of passionate top students. The rest are the dregs.

Who on here actually dreams that their kid becomes a teacher?

I was a prior poster, and I said STATE government. Federal employees are paid better than state government employees.

I must have missed the post. I was referring back to this comment: "Teacher pay in this region aligns with the pay to other government employees with similar education."

Anyway, that's even worse. What top college grads are looking for a STATE government position? Zero.

Seriously. How much do you want teachers to be paid? More than all of the top State officials?

Do you want your kids spending all day with "state government workers"? Do you want your kids to become "state government workers"?

Yes. As with any employment arrangement, there are pros and cons. You have no idea how many superstars work in state government. They just aren't highly paid.

You want your kids to work for the state government?

DP. There are amazing people who work for state governments ... I had a HS friend whose dad's job was to measure snowpacks in the Sierras and assess seasonal weather/water trends. he basically skied and show-shoed all winter for his job. so yeah pretty cool!

Forestry careers are super cool regardless of employer.

I’m sure there are other cool jobs and lots of bright people, but generally top students are not gunning for state gov’t jobs.

guys why tf are we talking about whether top students will go into forestry? do you remember the title of this thread? how have we gotten so far?

this is the worst game of telephone

We are saying that if you want top-notch teachers you have to pay and respect them accordingly.

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Can anyone tell me what this argument is about and why we are supposed to hate state government workers? Is this a new libertarian talking point?

I know, right? It's a new one to me, too.

It’s an old libertarian talking point.

The libertarian party — long a coalition of naive mostly-white conservative men and rightwing billionaires who want to exploit naive libertarians to cut taxes Il the wealthy — has been talking about destroying government for decades.

And today’s GOP has been taken over by the radical libertarian donors.

The whole mission of the modern Republican Party is to harm government to cut taxes on the rich.

This is why Republicans see a real political advantage for them to denigrate teachers and teachers unions.
It’s all one strategy, aimed at benefiting the billionaires who run the party (Koch, DeVos, and their cronies.)

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Can anyone tell me what this argument is about and why we are supposed to hate state government workers? Is this a new libertarian talking point?

I know, right? It's a new one to me, too.

It’s an old libertarian talking point.

The libertarian party — long a coalition of naive mostly-white conservative men and rightwing billionaires who want to exploit naive libertarians to cut taxes Il the wealthy — has been talking about destroying government for decades.

And today’s GOP has been taken over by the radical libertarian donors.

The whole mission of the modern Republican Party is to harm government to cut taxes on the rich.

This is why Republicans see a real political advantage for them to denigrate teachers and teachers unions.
It’s all one strategy, aimed at benefiting the billionaires who run the party (Koch, DeVos, and their cronies.)

Eh, more complicated than that. I'm PP and I don't support teachers unions anymore, although I have no problems with state government workers.