Be careful: The same people who are weaponizing school opening are also blocking safe opening

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Your two anecdotes are not data.

Look at Israel, Sweden, Denmark, UK.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

you're right, we wouldn't want to look at a successful real world example that totally bucks the panic narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

Part of the real problem is there is no standardized data reporting. So there are organizations that try to consolidate data like posted links, but no federal standard like we have with CDC covid reporting . So any data analyst has to set basic parameters and measures by them. It’s also changing week by week in Many districts. This is the closest and their different visualizations are being used more frequently.

https://cai.burbio.com/school-opening-tracker/

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

Part of the real problem is there is no standardized data reporting. So there are organizations that try to consolidate data like posted links, but no federal standard like we have with CDC covid reporting . So any data analyst has to set basic parameters and measures by them. It’s also changing week by week in Many districts. This is the closest and their different visualizations are being used more frequently.

https://cai.burbio.com/school-opening-tracker/

Yes, that has been posted several times, but still doesn’t give us % students breakdown - it’s looking at some school districts, not all students. Hoping for something more comprehensive, but maybe that doesn’t exist because we don’t have centralized/standardized reporting.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

you're right, we wouldn't want to look at a successful real world example that totally bucks the panic narrative.

I’m not panicking (my kids are starting in-person soon). Just pointing out that FL doesn’t have the best track record for testing or reporting data.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

you're right, we wouldn't want to look at a successful real world example that totally bucks the panic narrative.

I’m not panicking (my kids are starting in-person soon). Just pointing out that FL doesn’t have the best track record for testing or reporting data.

yes they do. Their data received an "A" grade from the covid tracking project until they stopped giving those grades this month.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

Part of the real problem is there is no standardized data reporting. So there are organizations that try to consolidate data like posted links, but no federal standard like we have with CDC covid reporting . So any data analyst has to set basic parameters and measures by them. It’s also changing week by week in Many districts. This is the closest and their different visualizations are being used more frequently.

https://cai.burbio.com/school-opening-tracker/

Yes, that has been posted several times, but still doesn’t give us % students breakdown - it’s looking at some school districts, not all students. Hoping for something more comprehensive, but maybe that doesn’t exist because we don’t have centralized/standardized reporting.

is something like this more like what you're trying to find? This is kind of a harsh split but the first map is states with R governors and the second map states with D governors. Total student cost is pretty close to equal, 24M vs 27M.

R Governors:


D Governors:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

you're right, we wouldn't want to look at a successful real world example that totally bucks the panic narrative.

I’m not panicking (my kids are starting in-person soon). Just pointing out that FL doesn’t have the best track record for testing or reporting data.

It’s more than that— FL has cooked the numbers and persecuted the data scientist who exposed this. (I’m sure there are smears against her that have been cooked up, but please save them and read the numerous real news articles about her in NYT WaPo LAT etc over the past few weeks.)

I hate to say this because I know it sounds harsh but it’s really important to be clear here:
DeSantis is a liar and that’s because the modern Republican Party is counter-factual — they depend on lying to their voters.
When the numbers in FL got bad they just started lying about that because that’s what Republicans do today.

It’s sadly just that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

you're right, we wouldn't want to look at a successful real world example that totally bucks the panic narrative.

I’m not panicking (my kids are starting in-person soon). Just pointing out that FL doesn’t have the best track record for testing or reporting data.

It’s more than that— FL has cooked the numbers and persecuted the data scientist who exposed this. (I’m sure there are smears against her that have been cooked up, but please save them and read the numerous real news articles about her in NYT WaPo LAT etc over the past few weeks.)

I hate to say this because I know it sounds harsh but it’s really important to be clear here:
DeSantis is a liar and that’s because the modern Republican Party is counter-factual — they depend on lying to their voters.
When the numbers in FL got bad they just started lying about that because that’s what Republicans do today.

It’s sadly just that simple.

She's a total fraud just looking for her next gofundme. read up for yourself, this is just one of many instances:

https://twitter.com/InsubordinateS8/status/1362937755723051008

and Florida's 2020 all cause excess deaths (117% of expected deaths) are actually below the national average rate (118% of expected deaths) and in line with where they stand in covid mortality per capita. you seriously could not be more wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

Part of the real problem is there is no standardized data reporting. So there are organizations that try to consolidate data like posted links, but no federal standard like we have with CDC covid reporting . So any data analyst has to set basic parameters and measures by them. It’s also changing week by week in Many districts. This is the closest and their different visualizations are being used more frequently.

https://cai.burbio.com/school-opening-tracker/

Yes, that has been posted several times, but still doesn’t give us % students breakdown - it’s looking at some school districts, not all students. Hoping for something more comprehensive, but maybe that doesn’t exist because we don’t have centralized/standardized reporting.

is something like this more like what you're trying to find? This is kind of a harsh split but the first map is states with R governors and the second map states with D governors. Total student cost is pretty close to equal, 24M vs 27M.

R Governors:


D Governors:

Seems like he used the same Burbio data "data reflects school mode by district, and weighted by student enrollment.":
https://twitter.com/ifihadastick/status/1362627186595926019

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

What we do have is clear evidence that lockdowns & keeping kids out of school doesn’t matter in terms of population wide covid outcomes: Fl (schools open) & CA (lockdown everything) have similar outcomes despite Florida’s much older population. But, shhhh, we can’t talk about this inconvenient fact because fl’s governor is, ewwwwww, a republican.

Not sure we should be including FL in any type of data analysis...

you're right, we wouldn't want to look at a successful real world example that totally bucks the panic narrative.

I’m not panicking (my kids are starting in-person soon). Just pointing out that FL doesn’t have the best track record for testing or reporting data.

yes they do. Their data received an "A" grade from the covid tracking project until they stopped giving those grades this month.

Let’s see.
#1 - Florida isn’t testing sufficiently.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-testing.html

#2 - Florida isn’t counting all deaths.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/11/floridas-count-of-coronavirus-deaths-is-missing-some-cases/

#3 - Florida calculates misleading/inconsistent metrics and includes antigen test results w/PCR (shouldn’t mix test results):
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-positivity-rate-florida-explainer-20201014-tfho3kvw7jaabmlv2d7gwndgii-story.html
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/10/29/florida-changes-coronavirus-data-on-the-percent-of-tests-coming-back-positive/

#4 - Florida hasn’t been very transparent:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-new-white-house-report-florida-covid-deaths-20210127-afwcodf6ajbmljhnpoh7b4jaci-story.html

#5 - DeSantis is a big fat liar:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/desantis-omits-data-on-child-covid-rates-as-he-touts-decision-to-open-schools/2385631/

#6 - And….the covid tracking project does have issues with Florida data:
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida/assessment#state-metrics

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I think it'd be interesting to see the % breakdown of student learning mode grouped together by school (over)capacity.

sq ft of school building / student

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Anonymous wrote:So basically all three graphs that have now been shared are basically reporting the same thing.

But if anytime we don’t like what the data says, we can just continue to make demands for further data and data visualization that may or may not exist which we hope will tell the story we want to see. I’m pretty sure that’s how one wins an argument.

Given that all other countries and huge swathes of this country have 5 day a week school uneventfully, it’s not really a fact based argument. But carry on. If we are dealing in actual facts, the most dangerous thing your child does is likely drive on a highway with you.

Are we measuring by sq. mileage now?

^ and not that it should matter but I'm happy my kids are going back in a few weeks.

I just want to be clear that we don't have an accurate % breakdown of the number of kids in DL/hybrid/IP. Or at least not that I've seem so far. Please share if you've seen otherwise.

Part of the real problem is there is no standardized data reporting. So there are organizations that try to consolidate data like posted links, but no federal standard like we have with CDC covid reporting . So any data analyst has to set basic parameters and measures by them. It’s also changing week by week in Many districts. This is the closest and their different visualizations are being used more frequently.

https://cai.burbio.com/school-opening-tracker/

Yes, that has been posted several times, but still doesn’t give us % students breakdown - it’s looking at some school districts, not all students. Hoping for something more comprehensive, but maybe that doesn’t exist because we don’t have centralized/standardized reporting.

is something like this more like what you're trying to find? This is kind of a harsh split but the first map is states with R governors and the second map states with D governors. Total student cost is pretty close to equal, 24M vs 27M.

R Governors:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EukFGkqWQAE6-Kf?format=jpg&name=4096x4096" border="0" class="embeddedImage" />

D Governors:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EukEQfsXYAAP5eZ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096" border="0" class="embeddedImage" />

Seems like he used the same Burbio data "data reflects school mode by district, and weighted by student enrollment.":
https://twitter.com/ifihadastick/status/1362627186595926019

OK - even though this data is sus, I consolidated these numbers for sh1ts and giggles since we don't have anything better at the moment.



1/3rd of estimated US students are virtual
2/3rd are hybrid or fully in-person

I'm actually shocked that the hybrid % isn't higher since everyone I know (from east coast to west coast) with kids back in school are hybrid. Out of those families, the most # of days in school is 4 in-person with one asynchronous day.