Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

LOL. A few posters tore apart his first post using data provided from APS. He acquiesced and said he’d work on it.

Total smack down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

I’m going to go with (1) no super spreader lunches of 100 kids in a single room and (2) kids go directly to classrooms in AM and aren’t corralled in 100 kid groups in gym, cafeteria and auditorium. I’d love some effort at cohorts but I’d take 1 and 2. Even that’s too much to ask apparently. Can’t believe their plan doesn’t mandate no large groups of kids. Pretty sure that’s ALWAYS been in CDC guidance. For all their delays, you’d think they’d have rational safety plan. The APE crowd doesn’t care but you’d think APS would!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

I’m going to go with (1) no super spreader lunches of 100 kids in a single room and (2) kids go directly to classrooms in AM and aren’t corralled in 100 kid groups in gym, cafeteria and auditorium. I’d love some effort at cohorts but I’d take 1 and 2. Even that’s too much to ask apparently. Can’t believe their plan doesn’t mandate no large groups of kids. Pretty sure that’s ALWAYS been in CDC guidance. For all their delays, you’d think they’d have rational safety plan. The APE crowd doesn’t care but you’d think APS would!

I have a seventh grader. For sixth and seventh grades, there just isnt that much variation. There’s some in math, and then there’s the electives. It wouldn’t be that hard to group kids together by math level (or at least keep the advanced math kids in one cohort) and then subdivide by foreign language class. It’s not like they respected my kid’s elective choices anyway this year. He’s got an IEP, and certain electives are terrible for him, and some would be good. They put him in all the terrible ones, even when we had this discussion at last years meeting about what to,choose. This is how I lived my life in secondary school in one of the best school districts in the country. I pretty much had the same kids in all my classes in normal times, because once you were in BC Calculus and AP history, there were only so many ways to slice the rest of the schedule.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

I’m going to go with (1) no super spreader lunches of 100 kids in a single room and (2) kids go directly to classrooms in AM and aren’t corralled in 100 kid groups in gym, cafeteria and auditorium. I’d love some effort at cohorts but I’d take 1 and 2. Even that’s too much to ask apparently. Can’t believe their plan doesn’t mandate no large groups of kids. Pretty sure that’s ALWAYS been in CDC guidance. For all their delays, you’d think they’d have rational safety plan. The APE crowd doesn’t care but you’d think APS would!

I have a seventh grader. For sixth and seventh grades, there just isnt that much variation. There’s some in math, and then there’s the electives. It wouldn’t be that hard to group kids together by math level (or at least keep the advanced math kids in one cohort) and then subdivide by foreign language class. It’s not like they respected my kid’s elective choices anyway this year. He’s got an IEP, and certain electives are terrible for him, and some would be good. They put him in all the terrible ones, even when we had this discussion at last years meeting about what to,choose. This is how I lived my life in secondary school in one of the best school districts in the country. I pretty much had the same kids in all my classes in normal times, because once you were in BC Calculus and AP history, there were only so many ways to slice the rest of the schedule.

That’s actually true now that I think about it. My daughter told me she has almost all the same cats in all her classes give or take a few. (Middle school).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

LOL. A few posters tore apart his first post using data provided from APS. He acquiesced and said he’d work on it.

Total smack down.

Ha ha ha! Nothing like that happened. His “acquiescence” was informing the community that APS is paying a consultant for a complex conversion from one unit per minute to a different unit per hour. You know, since people are publicizing f’d up conclusions because they aren’t experts and have no idea what they’re doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

I’m going to go with (1) no super spreader lunches of 100 kids in a single room and (2) kids go directly to classrooms in AM and aren’t corralled in 100 kid groups in gym, cafeteria and auditorium. I’d love some effort at cohorts but I’d take 1 and 2. Even that’s too much to ask apparently. Can’t believe their plan doesn’t mandate no large groups of kids. Pretty sure that’s ALWAYS been in CDC guidance. For all their delays, you’d think they’d have rational safety plan. The APE crowd doesn’t care but you’d think APS would!

That doesn’t even remotely address the cohosting issue for secondary schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

I’m going to go with (1) no super spreader lunches of 100 kids in a single room and (2) kids go directly to classrooms in AM and aren’t corralled in 100 kid groups in gym, cafeteria and auditorium. I’d love some effort at cohorts but I’d take 1 and 2. Even that’s too much to ask apparently. Can’t believe their plan doesn’t mandate no large groups of kids. Pretty sure that’s ALWAYS been in CDC guidance. For all their delays, you’d think they’d have rational safety plan. The APE crowd doesn’t care but you’d think APS would!

I have a seventh grader. For sixth and seventh grades, there just isnt that much variation. There’s some in math, and then there’s the electives. It wouldn’t be that hard to group kids together by math level (or at least keep the advanced math kids in one cohort) and then subdivide by foreign language class. It’s not like they respected my kid’s elective choices anyway this year. He’s got an IEP, and certain electives are terrible for him, and some would be good. They put him in all the terrible ones, even when we had this discussion at last years meeting about what to,choose. This is how I lived my life in secondary school in one of the best school districts in the country. I pretty much had the same kids in all my classes in normal times, because once you were in BC Calculus and AP history, there were only so many ways to slice the rest of the schedule.

That’s actually true now that I think about it. My daughter told me she has almost all the same cats in all her classes give or take a few. (Middle school).

There’s no question at all that they COULD have cohorted the MS kids. Pretty easily. But they didn’t. And they can’t reshuffle them now and still open. It’s poor planning and execution by the secondary team in central admin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point all I want to know is their plan for the fall. I wouldn’t send any adolescent into that mess without a vaccine and without vaccinated adults at home. My 14 year old is just a mini adult, biologically, but I’m not letting him come and infect all of us. in December with their first version of the plan, it was clear it was an s-show, because in secondary schools they didn’t even try to prevent large numbers of kids from intermingling, and then what was going to save them was having them all march in lockstep one way down the hall, and all this exposure for two days a week.

So, what are they going to do in the fall? At least by then the adults will definitely be immunized and hopefully they will have approved something for kids 12 and up. Secondary schools should not be allowed to be breeding grounds for nastier variants.

So nice to see another rational adult in Arlington. Can’t for the life of me understand why they have better cohosting and safety practices in elementary than middle and high. They just shrug at the idea that middle and high schoolers can get and transmit like adults. They literally plan to gather them all together for lunch and at the beginning of the school day. No one is doing that with elementary. The secondary team in Central Admin is out to lunch (hopefully in groups less and 100 ha!) when it comes to student safety.

How would you suggest they cohort secondary schools more than they already are (T/W and Th/F groups *are* cohorts) without compromising educational needs?

I’m going to go with (1) no super spreader lunches of 100 kids in a single room and (2) kids go directly to classrooms in AM and aren’t corralled in 100 kid groups in gym, cafeteria and auditorium. I’d love some effort at cohorts but I’d take 1 and 2. Even that’s too much to ask apparently. Can’t believe their plan doesn’t mandate no large groups of kids. Pretty sure that’s ALWAYS been in CDC guidance. For all their delays, you’d think they’d have rational safety plan. The APE crowd doesn’t care but you’d think APS would!

I have a seventh grader. For sixth and seventh grades, there just isnt that much variation. There’s some in math, and then there’s the electives. It wouldn’t be that hard to group kids together by math level (or at least keep the advanced math kids in one cohort) and then subdivide by foreign language class. It’s not like they respected my kid’s elective choices anyway this year. He’s got an IEP, and certain electives are terrible for him, and some would be good. They put him in all the terrible ones, even when we had this discussion at last years meeting about what to,choose. This is how I lived my life in secondary school in one of the best school districts in the country. I pretty much had the same kids in all my classes in normal times, because once you were in BC Calculus and AP history, there were only so many ways to slice the rest of the schedule.

That’s actually true now that I think about it. My daughter told me she has almost all the same cats in all her classes give or take a few. (Middle school).

There’s no question at all that they COULD have cohorted the MS kids. Pretty easily. But they didn’t. And they can’t reshuffle them now and still open. It’s poor planning and execution by the secondary team in central admin.

Sure, if you make students change their foreign language, math levels (which has implications for the rest of their secondary education) and/or electives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

LOL. A few posters tore apart his first post using data provided from APS. He acquiesced and said he’d work on it.

Total smack down.

Ha ha ha! Nothing like that happened. His “acquiescence” was informing the community that APS is paying a consultant for a complex conversion from one unit per minute to a different unit per hour. You know, since people are publicizing f’d up conclusions because they aren’t experts and have no idea what they’re doing.

Of course it did. Stop lying. **She** pointed out several inaccuracies or gaps in the data and analysis completed by APS/the consultants. He ultimately agreed with her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

LOL. A few posters tore apart his first post using data provided from APS. He acquiesced and said he’d work on it.

Total smack down.

Ha ha ha! Nothing like that happened. His “acquiescence” was informing the community that APS is paying a consultant for a complex conversion from one unit per minute to a different unit per hour. You know, since people are publicizing f’d up conclusions because they aren’t experts and have no idea what they’re doing.

Of course it did. Stop lying. **She** pointed out several inaccuracies or gaps in the data and analysis completed by APS/the consultants. He ultimately agreed with her.

DP. Not even close, but doesn’t surprise me you have such an inflated sense of your impact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

LOL. A few posters tore apart his first post using data provided from APS. He acquiesced and said he’d work on it.

Total smack down.

Ha ha ha! Nothing like that happened. His “acquiescence” was informing the community that APS is paying a consultant for a complex conversion from one unit per minute to a different unit per hour. You know, since people are publicizing f’d up conclusions because they aren’t experts and have no idea what they’re doing.

Of course it did. Stop lying. **She** pointed out several inaccuracies or gaps in the data and analysis completed by APS/the consultants. He ultimately agreed with her.

Are we talking about two different FB threads? Because he posted twice, the second post being this:

“APS schools must comply with the Virginia Uniform Statewide Building Code, which follows ASHRAE Standard 62.1 Ventilation for Acceptable Indoor Air Quality. On December 3, 2020, APS received a FOIA request for data, reports and emails between APS and CMTA and any other consultants APS is using to evaluate ventilation in its schools. All data provided in response to this request was in cubic feet per minute, rather than air changes per hour, because ASHRAE Standard 62.1 is based on cubic feet per minute. APS is not required under FOIA to create new data on air changes per hour that it does not already have. However, given the amount of interest in this topic, APS has asked and is paying CMTA to perform the complex conversion from cubic feet per minute to air changes per hour for APS schools and expects to post the conversion on the APS website next week.”

You can stop calling people liars now.

[Anonymous]

Wait why are the secondary schools having kids meet in the gym before school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.

This is insane that people are listening to her.

Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.

I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.

That thread is a big yikes.

Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.

Now I need to go find this.

LOL. He *received* a smackdown.

That would be the perception of observers who have fallen for the faulty interpretation and manipulation of the FOIA data, yes. The cargo cult of AEM.

LOL. A few posters tore apart his first post using data provided from APS. He acquiesced and said he’d work on it.

Total smack down.

Ha ha ha! Nothing like that happened. His “acquiescence” was informing the community that APS is paying a consultant for a complex conversion from one unit per minute to a different unit per hour. You know, since people are publicizing f’d up conclusions because they aren’t experts and have no idea what they’re doing.

Of course it did. Stop lying. **She** pointed out several inaccuracies or gaps in the data and analysis completed by APS/the consultants. He ultimately agreed with her.

DP. Not even close, but doesn’t surprise me you have such an inflated sense of your impact.

“My impact”? Who do you think I am?