Teachers: do you trust the families in your school to take COVID seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:There are jobs to transfer to for teachers. I was a teacher and then wrote educational material for students (at NASA). There is a lot of that going on at museums, nonprofits etc. That’s just one thing. Teachers aren’t worthless and most probably have no desire to be in “white collar” office job.

Oh yeah lol I have worked at a bunch of nonprofits and we always get ridiculous applications from teachers. It's clear they have no idea what it's like working for clients and managing projects. Not one of them has ever had to deal with an actual budget but they always write things trying to suggest that buying classroom supplies is related. Like, that's front desk work. Great, you can answer phones.

And good luck getting any of the two dozen museum jobs.

Your response is incoherent, but sure, teachers aren’t qualified to do anything “lol”. Apparently no one in the non profit world can even string together a sentence, so teachers should be okay out there.

is your problem that the person said "lol"? because this is all pretty coherent to me. it sounds like teachers don't know what they're doing and are writing cover letters to nonprofits that demonstrate ignorance of the job to be performed.

So one person who claims to have worked at a “bunch of nonprofits” and “always get ridiculous applications from teachers” (seems unlikely) is solid evidence that so many clueless teachers are just dying to get into the lucrative (lol) world of nonprofits? Conventions of standard written English dictate that you capitalize the first letter of a sentence. What a lazy thing to do while trying to paint an entire profession as ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are teachers really more COVID-cautious than non-teachers? I have not seen this to be the case.

I am in the Midwest, in a state where most schools are at least open for 2 days per week of in-person learning. In my kids' private school, virtually everyone complies with COVID precautions in public places, such as schools and grocery stores. But most people are not doing strict social distancing in their private life. The teachers are no different. A minority are strictly SD-ing, a majority are not.

+1. This post really rubs me the wrong way. It furthers the narrative of teachers v. parents/students where teachers are the gold standard of covid safety. Not true all. PP is correct that teachers are just like everyone else (some super strict, some middle of the road, some very lax). Both of our ES teachers traveled to visit family forTG and Christmas. We stayed home and saw no one. Another teacher in our school has kids in travel sports (hotels, etc). Kids are just as likely to get covid from their teacher as their teacher is from the kids. And frankly the biggest risk to teachers is letting down their guard with fellow teachers. So I guess you could also ask teachers if they trust their colleagues to take covid seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:There are jobs to transfer to for teachers. I was a teacher and then wrote educational material for students (at NASA). There is a lot of that going on at museums, nonprofits etc. That’s just one thing. Teachers aren’t worthless and most probably have no desire to be in “white collar” office job.

Oh yeah lol I have worked at a bunch of nonprofits and we always get ridiculous applications from teachers. It's clear they have no idea what it's like working for clients and managing projects. Not one of them has ever had to deal with an actual budget but they always write things trying to suggest that buying classroom supplies is related. Like, that's front desk work. Great, you can answer phones.

And good luck getting any of the two dozen museum jobs.

Your response is incoherent, but sure, teachers aren’t qualified to do anything “lol”. Apparently no one in the non profit world can even string together a sentence, so teachers should be okay out there.

is your problem that the person said "lol"? because this is all pretty coherent to me. it sounds like teachers don't know what they're doing and are writing cover letters to nonprofits that demonstrate ignorance of the job to be performed.

So one person who claims to have worked at a “bunch of nonprofits” and “always get ridiculous applications from teachers” (seems unlikely) is solid evidence that so many clueless teachers are just dying to get into the lucrative (lol) world of nonprofits? Conventions of standard written English dictate that you capitalize the first letter of a sentence. What a lazy thing to do while trying to paint an entire profession as ignorant.

Conventions of standard written English also don’t include “lol” as you’ve done. But I do love this thing where a point is dismissed because of a lowercase letter. That’s the kind of mindless pettiness I can get behind.

[Anonymous]

I absolutely do not trust parents regarding covid. While it's not everything, at least now we test for fevers every day and parents get enormous pressure to pick their child up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is one of the biggest issues in the battle to get kids to come back to school: teachers simply don't trust families to take the appropriate safety steps in their personal lives.

How do families and teachers re-build mutual trust?

And it seems NO ONE trusts the school administrators.

I feel like this issue is a proxy for a degradation of trust across American society. It's just now playing out in schools, grocery stores, etc.

You are exactly right, OP.

Our communities are broken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are teachers really more COVID-cautious than non-teachers? I have not seen this to be the case.

I am in the Midwest, in a state where most schools are at least open for 2 days per week of in-person learning. In my kids' private school, virtually everyone complies with COVID precautions in public places, such as schools and grocery stores. But most people are not doing strict social distancing in their private life. The teachers are no different. A minority are strictly SD-ing, a majority are not.

+1. This post really rubs me the wrong way. It furthers the narrative of teachers v. parents/students where teachers are the gold standard of covid safety. Not true all. PP is correct that teachers are just like everyone else (some super strict, some middle of the road, some very lax). Both of our ES teachers traveled to visit family forTG and Christmas. We stayed home and saw no one. Another teacher in our school has kids in travel sports (hotels, etc). Kids are just as likely to get covid from their teacher as their teacher is from the kids. And frankly the biggest risk to teachers is letting down their guard with fellow teachers. So I guess you could also ask teachers if they trust their colleagues to take covid seriously?

The problem is that dynamic is set up by those arguing that if you want schools to reopen, then you and your children need to give up all in person contact in order to reduce community spread. This is a lose-lose proposition, because no individual family's sacrifice is going to get school reopened and it only creates the expectation that teachers who are less risk adverse are behaving selfishly and unprofessionally, even though they aren't violating any public health guidelines.

The issue should be framed to consider whether given all types of behavior when it comes to COVID risk, there is a way to reopen schools by mitigating risk as much as possible to minimize the number of positive cases.

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Anonymous wrote:There are jobs to transfer to for teachers. I was a teacher and then wrote educational material for students (at NASA). There is a lot of that going on at museums, nonprofits etc. That’s just one thing. Teachers aren’t worthless and most probably have no desire to be in “white collar” office job.

Oh yeah lol I have worked at a bunch of nonprofits and we always get ridiculous applications from teachers. It's clear they have no idea what it's like working for clients and managing projects. Not one of them has ever had to deal with an actual budget but they always write things trying to suggest that buying classroom supplies is related. Like, that's front desk work. Great, you can answer phones.

And good luck getting any of the two dozen museum jobs.

Your response is incoherent, but sure, teachers aren’t qualified to do anything “lol”. Apparently no one in the non profit world can even string together a sentence, so teachers should be okay out there.

is your problem that the person said "lol"? because this is all pretty coherent to me. it sounds like teachers don't know what they're doing and are writing cover letters to nonprofits that demonstrate ignorance of the job to be performed.

So one person who claims to have worked at a “bunch of nonprofits” and “always get ridiculous applications from teachers” (seems unlikely) is solid evidence that so many clueless teachers are just dying to get into the lucrative (lol) world of nonprofits? Conventions of standard written English dictate that you capitalize the first letter of a sentence. What a lazy thing to do while trying to paint an entire profession as ignorant.

Conventions of standard written English also don’t include “lol” as you’ve done. But I do love this thing where a point is dismissed because of a lowercase letter. That’s the kind of mindless pettiness I can get behind.

Yes, I was being snarky because the PP was bashing teachers, saying they are ridiculous “lol” for thinking they qualify for the intellectually strenuous nonprofit world. Eye roll.

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Anonymous wrote:There are jobs to transfer to for teachers. I was a teacher and then wrote educational material for students (at NASA). There is a lot of that going on at museums, nonprofits etc. That’s just one thing. Teachers aren’t worthless and most probably have no desire to be in “white collar” office job.

Oh yeah lol I have worked at a bunch of nonprofits and we always get ridiculous applications from teachers. It's clear they have no idea what it's like working for clients and managing projects. Not one of them has ever had to deal with an actual budget but they always write things trying to suggest that buying classroom supplies is related. Like, that's front desk work. Great, you can answer phones.

And good luck getting any of the two dozen museum jobs.

Your response is incoherent, but sure, teachers aren’t qualified to do anything “lol”. Apparently no one in the non profit world can even string together a sentence, so teachers should be okay out there.

is your problem that the person said "lol"? because this is all pretty coherent to me. it sounds like teachers don't know what they're doing and are writing cover letters to nonprofits that demonstrate ignorance of the job to be performed.

So one person who claims to have worked at a “bunch of nonprofits” and “always get ridiculous applications from teachers” (seems unlikely) is solid evidence that so many clueless teachers are just dying to get into the lucrative (lol) world of nonprofits? Conventions of standard written English dictate that you capitalize the first letter of a sentence. What a lazy thing to do while trying to paint an entire profession as ignorant.

Conventions of standard written English also don’t include “lol” as you’ve done. But I do love this thing where a point is dismissed because of a lowercase letter. That’s the kind of mindless pettiness I can get behind.

Yes, I was being snarky because the PP was bashing teachers, saying they are ridiculous “lol” for thinking they qualify for the intellectually strenuous nonprofit world. Eye roll.

DP. I work in an education non-profit, so obviously I see many cast-offs from the teaching profession who think they can get a job here simply because they've worked in education before. We hired a couple in the past but were unimpressed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are jobs to transfer to for teachers. I was a teacher and then wrote educational material for students (at NASA). There is a lot of that going on at museums, nonprofits etc. That’s just one thing. Teachers aren’t worthless and most probably have no desire to be in “white collar” office job.

Oh yeah lol I have worked at a bunch of nonprofits and we always get ridiculous applications from teachers. It's clear they have no idea what it's like working for clients and managing projects. Not one of them has ever had to deal with an actual budget but they always write things trying to suggest that buying classroom supplies is related. Like, that's front desk work. Great, you can answer phones.

And good luck getting any of the two dozen museum jobs.

Your response is incoherent, but sure, teachers aren’t qualified to do anything “lol”. Apparently no one in the non profit world can even string together a sentence, so teachers should be okay out there.

is your problem that the person said "lol"? because this is all pretty coherent to me. it sounds like teachers don't know what they're doing and are writing cover letters to nonprofits that demonstrate ignorance of the job to be performed.

So one person who claims to have worked at a “bunch of nonprofits” and “always get ridiculous applications from teachers” (seems unlikely) is solid evidence that so many clueless teachers are just dying to get into the lucrative (lol) world of nonprofits? Conventions of standard written English dictate that you capitalize the first letter of a sentence. What a lazy thing to do while trying to paint an entire profession as ignorant.

Conventions of standard written English also don’t include “lol” as you’ve done. But I do love this thing where a point is dismissed because of a lowercase letter. That’s the kind of mindless pettiness I can get behind.

Yes, I was being snarky because the PP was bashing teachers, saying they are ridiculous “lol” for thinking they qualify for the intellectually strenuous nonprofit world. Eye roll.

DP. I work in an education non-profit, so obviously I see many cast-offs from the teaching profession who think they can get a job here simply because they've worked in education before. We hired a couple in the past but were unimpressed.

Probably doesn’t help establish a good work relationship when you refer to them as “cast-offs” or undesirables from the get go. What does this innovative nonprofit do? Seems a little fishy that suddenly so many posters happen to have integral hiring roles at nonprofits that attract tons of educators.

[Anonymous]

are you surprised that 1. there are lots of non-profits in DC and 2. people interested in education would be here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely do not trust parents regarding covid. While it's not everything, at least now we test for fevers every day and parents get enormous pressure to pick their child up.

Our district is no longer temperature checking because they claim it will identify students who are sick, but not necessarily students who have Covid. The real reason is because temp checks will take a lot of time and admin knows parents will freak out if a kid in their child's class at walk-up or on their child's bus has a fever.

Anyway, I don't trust most of the families in my school to take Covid seriously. Why? Because I've heard about family vacations across the country and weekend trips to Great Wolf Lodge and Chuck E Cheese, right before kindergarten was supposed to come back in person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely do not trust parents regarding covid. While it's not everything, at least now we test for fevers every day and parents get enormous pressure to pick their child up.

Our district is no longer temperature checking because they claim it will identify students who are sick, but not necessarily students who have Covid. The real reason is because temp checks will take a lot of time and admin knows parents will freak out if a kid in their child's class at walk-up or on their child's bus has a fever.

Anyway, I don't trust most of the families in my school to take Covid seriously. Why? Because I've heard about family vacations across the country and weekend trips to Great Wolf Lodge and Chuck E Cheese, right before kindergarten was supposed to come back in person.

And I've heard teachers talking about their social lives and trips. Probably they should cut that out before attacking parents.

What's that? Only some teachers are not distancing and taking trips? Probably not the same though for parents, right? Right?

[Anonymous]

I guess it depends on what I define as "taking it seriously". I don't think a family needs to stay home all the time to take Covid seriously. Families can safely participate in sports or travel as a family without gathering in a mixed group for example. I don't expect people to never eat out at restaurants.

Mask, distance, wash your hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely do not trust parents regarding covid. While it's not everything, at least now we test for fevers every day and parents get enormous pressure to pick their child up.

Our district is no longer temperature checking because they claim it will identify students who are sick, but not necessarily students who have Covid. The real reason is because temp checks will take a lot of time and admin knows parents will freak out if a kid in their child's class at walk-up or on their child's bus has a fever.

Anyway, I don't trust most of the families in my school to take Covid seriously. Why? Because I've heard about family vacations across the country and weekend trips to Great Wolf Lodge and Chuck E Cheese, right before kindergarten was supposed to come back in person.

And I've heard teachers talking about their social lives and trips. Probably they should cut that out before attacking parents.

What's that? Only some teachers are not distancing and taking trips? Probably not the same though for parents, right? Right?

Defensive much? Some parents are taking Covid seriously. If you are a parent or a teacher and doing the activities described above, you are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely do not trust parents regarding covid. While it's not everything, at least now we test for fevers every day and parents get enormous pressure to pick their child up.

Our district is no longer temperature checking because they claim it will identify students who are sick, but not necessarily students who have Covid. The real reason is because temp checks will take a lot of time and admin knows parents will freak out if a kid in their child's class at walk-up or on their child's bus has a fever.

Anyway, I don't trust most of the families in my school to take Covid seriously. Why? Because I've heard about family vacations across the country and weekend trips to Great Wolf Lodge and Chuck E Cheese, right before kindergarten was supposed to come back in person.

And I've heard teachers talking about their social lives and trips. Probably they should cut that out before attacking parents.

What's that? Only some teachers are not distancing and taking trips? Probably not the same though for parents, right? Right?

Defensive much? Some parents are taking Covid seriously. If you are a parent or a teacher and doing the activities described above, you are part of the problem.

I am not. I am saying the percentage of teachers taking it seriously is probably similar to the number of parents doing it, but this question implicitly blames parents as the only ones who might be taking it “less seriously”