Teachers: do you trust the families in your school to take COVID seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of parents on here speaking for the teachers out of turn.

The people on here who identified as teachers have said no, they don’t trust families to all take COVID seriously. That is their answer to the question posed. They have talked about travel and indoor gatherings, both of which are acknowledged to be risky. None of them have mentioned grocery stores or parents who have to work.

I’m just a parent and I agree with them. I don’t trust other parents (or some teachers for that matter) and it’s not over outdoor sports or the grocery store. It’s the other, high risk, unnecessary activity. If they are doing that, why would we trust them to keep sick kids home, to get tested or to be honest about test results etc. The high risk stuff indicates you and your family are selfish and stupid and you don’t care what happens to anyone else.

Nailed it.

Exactly. I am another parent who feels the same way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a nanny and I fully support teachers staying the F home. You would not believe how irresponsible my employers behave. All the kids in class are doing play dates and weekend trips, it’s an absolute joke. Today, the school finally allowed hybrid for 3 hours (we are in SF at a private school) and you know what the parents did, while waiting for pick up? They had a backyard party for the parents with the entire grade. Both classes. The parents of 60 kids, but ‘only’ 40 parents attended.

Teacher not going back makes my job so hard, but teachers aren’t paid enough for this kind of BS. Stay home and keep pushing not to go back until you’re vaccinated.

Well good news, this area is prioritizing teachers for vaccines so they’ll all be vaccinated well before this school year ends. And yet! We still have to have conversations about people’s “feels” about “safety” and they still won’t commit to full time school in the fall!

[Anonymous]

Also sounds like some parents don’t want their kids around the poors. Or are 1) disingenuous or 2) bad at judging risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of parents on here speaking for the teachers out of turn.

The people on here who identified as teachers have said no, they don’t trust families to all take COVID seriously. That is their answer to the question posed. They have talked about travel and indoor gatherings, both of which are acknowledged to be risky. None of them have mentioned grocery stores or parents who have to work.

I’m just a parent and I agree with them. I don’t trust other parents (or some teachers for that matter) and it’s not over outdoor sports or the grocery store. It’s the other, high risk, unnecessary activity. If they are doing that, why would we trust them to keep sick kids home, to get tested or to be honest about test results etc. The high risk stuff indicates you and your family are selfish and stupid and you don’t care what happens to anyone else.

Nailed it.

Exactly. I am another parent who feels the same way.

So am I, and I've posted previously here as such. Teachers are as human as parents, so I'm not sure why I should trust them to take it seriously more than other parents would.

I believe in the efficacy of masks, though, and that's good enough for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also sounds like some parents don’t want their kids around the poors. Or are 1) disingenuous or 2) bad at judging risk.

LOL at you. The survey and RTS data shows that the low-SES families are choosing DL by a large factor; it is the middle class families that are choosing RTS. The poor kids will be at home, dear. The highly anxious and mildly insane middle class parents are the ones who want to throw their kids into the school cesspool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also sounds like some parents don’t want their kids around the poors. Or are 1) disingenuous or 2) bad at judging risk.

LOL at you. The survey and RTS data shows that the low-SES families are choosing DL by a large factor; it is the middle class families that are choosing RTS. The poor kids will be at home, dear. The highly anxious and mildly insane middle class parents are the ones who want to throw their kids into the school cesspool.

It’s super considerate of you to erase all of the low SES families who ARE indeed sending their kids to school. Why don’t they count?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of parents on here speaking for the teachers out of turn.

The people on here who identified as teachers have said no, they don’t trust families to all take COVID seriously. That is their answer to the question posed. They have talked about travel and indoor gatherings, both of which are acknowledged to be risky. None of them have mentioned grocery stores or parents who have to work.

I’m just a parent and I agree with them. I don’t trust other parents (or some teachers for that matter) and it’s not over outdoor sports or the grocery store. It’s the other, high risk, unnecessary activity. If they are doing that, why would we trust them to keep sick kids home, to get tested or to be honest about test results etc. The high risk stuff indicates you and your family are selfish and stupid and you don’t care what happens to anyone else.

Nailed it.

Exactly. I am another parent who feels the same way.

It’s a relevant question though—are we looking at what FEELS high risk or what actually creates a higher risk? It’s an easy question to answer. What is higher risk—someone who works in person, indoors, around the public, or someone who goes shopping once a week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also sounds like some parents don’t want their kids around the poors. Or are 1) disingenuous or 2) bad at judging risk.

LOL at you. The survey and RTS data shows that the low-SES families are choosing DL by a large factor; it is the middle class families that are choosing RTS. The poor kids will be at home, dear. The highly anxious and mildly insane middle class parents are the ones who want to throw their kids into the school cesspool.

well, "dear." The argument again does not rely on different percentages of high and low SES kids choosing in-person. The argument is that people don't seem to care if Larlo is in school with Larla, when Larla's parents work out of the home in jobs like grocery stores. Larlo's parents only care about Larli's parents going on a road trip.

The entire dialogue is about *feelings* rather than actual risks. Larlo's parents *feel* upset by Larli's parents, not Larla's. Larlo's parents aren't caring about the *actual* risks posed by Larla, just by Larli. So Larlo's parents get to feel satisfied in judging Larli's parents. It doesn't matter what the facts on the ground are, apparently. It matters that no one in this thread states that they are worried about the risks posed by Larla.

Also, yikes with the judgement of parents throwing kids into a "cesspool." Read the science, "dear."

[Anonymous]

Private school teacher here teaching in person currently. I trust 80% of kids and their families. The other 20% not at all. It's some of the uber-rich who are most problematic in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also sounds like some parents don’t want their kids around the poors. Or are 1) disingenuous or 2) bad at judging risk.

LOL at you. The survey and RTS data shows that the low-SES families are choosing DL by a large factor; it is the middle class families that are choosing RTS. The poor kids will be at home, dear. The highly anxious and mildly insane middle class parents are the ones who want to throw their kids into the school cesspool.

well, "dear." The argument again does not rely on different percentages of high and low SES kids choosing in-person. The argument is that people don't seem to care if Larlo is in school with Larla, when Larla's parents work out of the home in jobs like grocery stores. Larlo's parents only care about Larli's parents going on a road trip.

The entire dialogue is about *feelings* rather than actual risks. Larlo's parents *feel* upset by Larli's parents, not Larla's. Larlo's parents aren't caring about the *actual* risks posed by Larla, just by Larli. So Larlo's parents get to feel satisfied in judging Larli's parents. It doesn't matter what the facts on the ground are, apparently. It matters that no one in this thread states that they are worried about the risks posed by Larla.

Also, yikes with the judgement of parents throwing kids into a "cesspool." Read the science, "dear."

+1

[Anonymous]

No. And teachers will likely never trust parents again for any reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. And teachers will likely never trust parents again for any reason.

Well that’s not new. I don’t expect this to cause teachers to behave any differently. Empty threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of parents on here speaking for the teachers out of turn.

The people on here who identified as teachers have said no, they don’t trust families to all take COVID seriously. That is their answer to the question posed. They have talked about travel and indoor gatherings, both of which are acknowledged to be risky. None of them have mentioned grocery stores or parents who have to work.

I’m just a parent and I agree with them. I don’t trust other parents (or some teachers for that matter) and it’s not over outdoor sports or the grocery store. It’s the other, high risk, unnecessary activity. If they are doing that, why would we trust them to keep sick kids home, to get tested or to be honest about test results etc. The high risk stuff indicates you and your family are selfish and stupid and you don’t care what happens to anyone else.

Nailed it.

Exactly. I am another parent who feels the same way.

It’s a relevant question though—are we looking at what FEELS high risk or what actually creates a higher risk? It’s an easy question to answer. What is higher risk—someone who works in person, indoors, around the public, or someone who goes shopping once a week?

So are any teachers going to answer this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of parents on here speaking for the teachers out of turn.

The people on here who identified as teachers have said no, they don’t trust families to all take COVID seriously. That is their answer to the question posed. They have talked about travel and indoor gatherings, both of which are acknowledged to be risky. None of them have mentioned grocery stores or parents who have to work.

I’m just a parent and I agree with them. I don’t trust other parents (or some teachers for that matter) and it’s not over outdoor sports or the grocery store. It’s the other, high risk, unnecessary activity. If they are doing that, why would we trust them to keep sick kids home, to get tested or to be honest about test results etc. The high risk stuff indicates you and your family are selfish and stupid and you don’t care what happens to anyone else.

Nailed it.

Exactly. I am another parent who feels the same way.

It’s a relevant question though—are we looking at what FEELS high risk or what actually creates a higher risk? It’s an easy question to answer. What is higher risk—someone who works in person, indoors, around the public, or someone who goes shopping once a week?

So are any teachers going to answer this?

I don't think you can get a teacher to answer this honestly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also sounds like some parents don’t want their kids around the poors. Or are 1) disingenuous or 2) bad at judging risk.

LOL at you. The survey and RTS data shows that the low-SES families are choosing DL by a large factor; it is the middle class families that are choosing RTS. The poor kids will be at home, dear. The highly anxious and mildly insane middle class parents are the ones who want to throw their kids into the school cesspool.

I think a lot of the low SES to return to in-person is because they live in multi-generational households. Multi-Gen households were absolutely decimated in California, NYC, and NJ. The youngsters brought COVID into the home and sickened/killed the grandparents. My dad - in California - was sickened in this manner by his adult step-daughter who lives with him and his wife.

Multi-generational households are most prevalent in expensive urban areas among poorer populations. If you are middle class or higher - and this strongly correlated with being white - your older relatives very likely have their own secure housing and can be safe. Poorer parts of AZ, NM, and TX are seeing Latino households remain in distance learning because of the multi-generational household issue.